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Patents to be placed in PD
by L. Todd Masco 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- This appeared on the IPSEC list (Hooray!). jwlowe@IBM followed up by announce the dedication of IBM's patent #5,148,479 to the public. Is this the apocalypse or something? Never have I seen such signs of rationality in companies of this size. - ------- start of forwarded message (RFC 934 encapsulation) ------- From: Ashar.Aziz(a)eng.sun.com (Ashar Aziz) Newsgroups: hks.lists.ipsec Subject: SKIP patents will be in public domain Date: 5 Dec 1994 15:44:20 -0500 Lines: 17 Sender: root(a)bb.hks.net Message-ID: <9412051928.AA25371(a)miraj.Eng.Sun.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: bb.hks.net I am happy to state that Sun management has asked me to make the following statement regarding the SKIP patents. 1. The SKIP patents (when they issue) will be placed in the public domain. Anyone may use it if they wish, with no rights or dues pertaining to Sun. There will be no need to license SKIP patent rights. 2. Sun Microsystems did this to help the industry make progress in the area of security. We view this as an indication of our willingness to promote open standards. I thank all of you who publicly commented on this issue, because your comments helped bring about this change in Sun's policy. Regards, Ashar. - ------- end ------- - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLuQZaioZzwIn1bdtAQH/AAGAtvm78gyEj6C+kWfogHJjuMdr7MGW634Z 9n4cYfkPb6G0bmlzMv7Y0X7MAcLwuJk7 =Ux5s -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: cypher bickering
by L. McCarthy 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- William A. Kennedy writes: > they seem to stay up through the night just to bicker about it. Nah, we'd be up anyway ;) Seriously, I don't think there's a practical issue, in light of the existence of Todd Masco's signing service. Perhaps at some time far in the future Eric will raise the stakes, but we can cross that bridge when we come to it. I simply changed my c'punks list alias to point to the signing service instead of the list itself, and everything else continues as before. Regarding placing a direct SLIP connection between my machine and the nearest workstation in the office, I will investigate the option. It may again be an issue to get permission to start plugging extra cables into a machine owned by the dept. - - -L. Futplex McCarthy; PGP key by finger or server "We've got computers, we're tapping phone lines; I know that that ain't allowed" --Talking Heads - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.1 iQCVAwUBLuNJFmf7YYibNzjpAQEQqgP+MtmQ5enRtUigqo2iVSqRd+w3vAmGfR8Q rdnHCtUugxIf+70/jhS8RtyVGudVC4nBaqzaXRsSVAb0AlELClmsg85kDg74mAUi 59y+RCYWBFvMZ0wOuhq+9kohfASJK1k/VHOwZhnCLKyV+S5xZnn369e3KRVcurLJ 4P89xac7Weg= =DpF8 - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLuNLkCoZzwIn1bdtAQHxOAF8DFx6jqicmEOR4H72Qi8oHbSMwRkyjst5 TFT2J1YyIstTNPCH5Tj2WVwvJHSiSMWr =DnS5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: future entrapment
by frissell＠panix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>* establish a local WWW server hosting some useful information >>* configure the server to record the IP addresses of people who >> access it, and cross-reference them to obtain geographical >> locations as registered with NIC. Feed this into a GIS and >> track local accesses. >>* have a list of people who I want to nail. >>* filter all HTTP requests through a script that >> - checks the list of victims >> - if a request for a file comes in from one of the >> targets, munge the outgoing web page to include >> a <IMG SRC= ...> tag pointing to a foreign site >> carrying images deemed pornographic in my jurisdiction >> - ring the console bell >> >>As soon as someone on the hit list downloads a file, you have prima >>facie evidence that they are probably in posession of some kiddie porn. >>Instant search warrant time ... "But your Honor, I had graphics turned off for speed." "The Geheimestaat Polezi has to prove not only that I connected but that I actually got something." "Too bad my swap file is on a partition that was corrupted when the ossifers grabbed my machine." The ancient question, do you possess something if it is encoded and cannot be decoded? DCF

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cypher bickering
by William A. Kennedy 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

internet: kenned09(a)ssw.alcoa.com I am a relatively new member to this list. There is so much potential for great discussion because the topic is technically challenging and politically sensative. That's why it is extremely frustrating to see the list contributors, and it's moderator getting all tied up in their collective underwear over whether or not the moderator can and/or force people to affix a digital signature to every posting. What's worse, they seem to stay up through the night just to bicker about it. In the paper world, I send out many things that I don't sign. I don't sign them because it is of no significance that it be proven that I sent it. It also might be that the information is of such a general nature that it makes no neverminds who sent it. I submit that digital signatures are the same way. But, as Tim May proposed, it could be the "secret-decoder-ring" phenomenon at work. By digitally signing all of our postings we prove that we are committed members of the "cause." But to whom are we proving our dedication. We would be demonstrating it to people who, by nature of their own interest in this list, are already committed. Oh, but wait a minute. Maybe we're afraid that people who don't even own digital signature software, are posting there ideas on our favorite subject. Isn't the posting of any ideas on cryptography by anyone more important than who's doing the posting?

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(Fwd) Re: GATT and RSA
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- With Rishab's permission today I forward his answer to my query about GATT's effect on copyright of software for those of you who may want to know. Forwarding mail by: rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in (Rishab Aiyer Ghosh) on Sun, 04 Dec 11:59 PM - ------------------- Rishab writes to another poster: > >So GATT is unlikely to affect RSA. JY asked: > May I assume that your remarks above indicate that you have > details of the GATT agreement that would clarify the following > general summaries in my local rag, The New York Times (I have > not been able to obtain a final copy of the agreement): US software companies benefit because GATT enforces _copyright_ including for software. Not software patents - something totally different, which is what makes PGP 2.3 illegal in the US but not so anywhere else. Rishab - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLuNl3ioZzwIn1bdtAQG1eQF9FoWSiCdVoG7zUMnwD8oy1aCrDx+88UZY wtW29fP6+mLWl3pqC0smBebiVLmSRzme =Ph6r -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: AA BBS - Thomases are going to jail...
by frissell＠panix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:30 AM 12/5/94 PST, hkhenson(a)cup.portal.com wrote: >Part of the Federal Government's law enforcement mechanism is under >the control of the Religious Right. Stuff about the AA BBS bust elided. One should note that this prosecution is similar to others carried out against the sellers of physical visual pornography for years. The stings have been carried out by both Republican and Democratic federal prosecutors usually in border states. They started before there was an official Religious Right. The US Attorney in this case may have been a Democrat since most Republicans were replaced by Clinton. He, she, or it is probably not a member of the RR. >I find the situation intolerable--without having a clear idea of how >to deal with it. There will be an appeal. >Certainly *any* system which carries alt.sex.* is subject to the same >treatment by the Religious Right (in the guise of the Memphis Feds) as >AA BBS. In fact, the very .gifs that were found obscene in Memphis >were made "freely distribute," by Robert and have been posted *many* >times to the net. That will be an interesting case. DCF ************************************************************************* ATMs, Contracting Out, Digital Switching, Downsizing, EDI, Fax, Fedex, Home Workers, Internet, Just In Time, Leasing, Mail Receiving, Phone Cards, Quants, Securitization, Temping, Voice Mail.

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Re: Oceania?
by wcs＠anchor.ho.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Oceania folks may or may not have been serious; I don't know them well enough to judge. If they were serious, they weren't competent - nowhere in their literature did I see anything that implied that the question "Can I look at your financial plans?" would get a useful answer. The primary gamble for Oceania is that you could set up a country without having a piece of dirt to anchor it to and get other governments to treat it as a government, rather than getting the US government to treat it as a drug-running boat on the high seas (i.e. target for Coast Guard piracy), or getting some other government or free-market pirates interested. (Secondary gambles are things like financial stability, hurricanes, etc.) One of their magazines had an article on a floating hotel built by Sven somebody that's recently been anchored off Vietnam. Rather than trying to raise $1B or so to build The Raft and gamble on not losing it all to governments or other pirates, you could make the same gamble by buying the floating hotel for $25-50M, which you might even be able to talk some rich investor into coughing up in return for a slice of the pie. That'd be enough to knwo if it works, get your satellite dish up, and see if you can convince a hundred or so enthusiasts to move there, run a gambling casino, and make back some bucks to pay some dividends for your investors and hire a few mercenaries to protect the place. However, they made some nice T-shirts :-) A more serious effort was done in the early 70s by the Minerva folks, who built up an island out of coral reefs in the South Pacific (the UN tends to require 1 foot above mean high tide to count as enough dirt to be a country.) About six months later the Kingdom of Tonga invaded and stole the place. Bill

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Re: (Fwd) Re: GATT and RSA
by pcw＠access.digex.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I want to know whether GATT will affect the export of encryption software. It seems to frown upon any barrier to trade and I think I could argue, perhaps not correctly, that if ACME in Taiwan can't buy the necessary encryption software to do business with CENTRAL in Kansas, then ACME is prevented from competing in America. BONEHEAD Inc, from North Dakota won't have to worry about foreign competition. This means that either there can be no secure international EDI standard that anyone can use to do business or there will be trade barriers to foreigners interacting with American firms. Of course, this is just a random conjecture based upon a conversation I had with Dave Banisar. Is it silly? Or sensible? I'm sure there are exemptions for military hardware, but heck, when it comes down to it food is the ultimate strategic resource. Where does crypto lie in this spectrum? Everyone knows where it lies in the eyes of the NSA. Where does it lie in other people's reality? -Peter

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Re: Authentication at toad.com: WTF?
by wcs＠anchor.ho.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hmm, yes, using agents for security verification seems reasonable; if you've got a legal relationship or other sufficient trust. It does also require an adequate communication path between you and your agent - on the incoming side so you know that the message the agent verified is the message you're seeing (e.g. the agent's signature on the message, plus potentially some check to make sure all the messages get delivered), and on the outgoing side to make sure your agent gets your messages correctly. Bill

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Are there *any* internet services runnable from powerpc
by tjb＠acpub.duke.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm still thinking I'd like to provide some internet services from my power mac. I have my own IP address and the folks at network services said they don't mind if I run a WWW server, and they will even change the name assigned to my IP address if I don't like it. So it sounds to me like I can provide internet services. I hesitate to run a web server because I hear there are lots of security bugs and I won't subject my mac to that. I am looking for a unix emulator that is freeware for the macintosh. I was directed to one apparently freeware unix platform for the mac by someone on the cypherpunks list, but it says it does not support ethernet which is how I am interfaced. I have a power mac 7100 with an ethernet port to the internet. Does anyone know if I could, for example, get scripts for Eudora to snarf mail and run a keyserver, or set up an anon remailer, or do anything at all remotely cool and for the betterment of the crypto/privacy/pgp/etc. services available to the internet public? I could leave my mac on 24/7 serving up services. When I'm debugging code it might crash, but I suppose there should be fail-safe systems. It doesn't seem like I can do much unless I buy a unix emulator, and I don't have the money for that. I'm a student. Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tom Bryce for PGP public key finger tjbryce(a)amherst.edu

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