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Re: Who's Censoring Who?
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Young wrote: > To Thorn and Cuckoo (great juxtaposition): > Your exhortation and rhetoric are deft, but I'm not ready to take > sides just yet. In fact, I can't figure what the sides are, if any, in this > anti-herd of caterwauling anarchic cats. > Instead, I'm relishing and laughing at the spitting and farting contest, > and hoping this gameboying will prepare for the genuinely tough > battles in high stakes info-wargames. > There, wipe and sniff that exhort and rhet. I don't want to make any suggestions about having a clue or whatever, but just in case you didn't know, John, I'm not censoring anything, nor is cuckoo, nor is Dr. Vulis, nor are 1300-plus other subscribers to this list. It is all being done by a central "authority". Now you can't figure out who's on what side? Or you just can't decide who to line up with? In case you hadn't noticed, the censorship has been admitted a failure, although the denial from the central "authority" is so thick that some folks on the list will be hoping for Santa to come save them for some time to come.

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Proposal: alt.cypherpunks (unmoderated)
by gbroiles＠netbox.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[This is a courtesy copy of an article posted to Usenet via Deja News] Some people, including myself, believe that the Cypherpunks mailing list (cypherpunks(a)toad.com) running since sometime in 1992, has outgrown the mailing list format and should move to Usenet. The advantages once gained by running as a mailing list (faster propagation, more personal/intimate atmosphere, freedom from Usenet-style flames & spams) are no longer present. Questions about the appropriateness of moderation, moderator liability for various "bad" kinds of messages, and the potential for content control where there is a single point for distribution have become very prominent concerns among list members. It's time to move to Usenet. Hence, this prelude to a newgroup. Two cypherpunk-related newsgroups now exist; mail.cypherpunks and jyu.ohjelmointi.cypherpunks. mail.cypherpunks is unsatisfactory to become a destination for Usenet-originated cypherpunk traffic because its name implies that it's a gateway from a mailing list. This is presently true, but this proposal is intended to create a newsgroup which supplements or replaces the current mailing list. I've got no clue where "jyu.ohjelmointi.cypherpunks" originates, who's in charge of it, or what "jyu.ohjelmointi" is or stands for. Judging from the limited selection of messages which seem to reach DejaNews and AltaVista from it, it suffers from relatively poor propagation. The cypherpunks mailing list currently has approximately 1300 subscribers, sees traffic between 30 and 70 messages per day (est.), and on its better days discusses technological defenses for privacy in an information age. Popular topics include encryption, legal issues around encryption and export control, and the relationship between technology and social control. A sample line for the newsgroups file: alt.cypherpunks Technological defenses for privacy -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet

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Re: sci.crypt archive?
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Paul Rubin <phr(a)netcom.com> writes: > Is anyone on cypherpunks archiving sci.crypt? I'd be interested > in getting hold of some articles from some years back... thanks There is some one who archives it, it's up for ftp. Look in the sci.crypt FAQ, or do a web search to find the URL. I grabbed a copy for Remo Pini for the crypto CD, but I've lost the URL. The Crypto CD (I have one) has Jan 92 to Sep 94 (articles 6871 to 32742) on it. See http://www.rpini.com/ if you're interested. Adam -- print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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sandy who??
by anand abhyankar 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

hi guys, i am a new addition on the mailing list. i am amazed to find that half the mails talk about "sandy (god knows who he is) and he censoring mails" rather than crypto stuff. somebody please let me know who sandy is and what exactly is this censoring issue. anand....

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STE_pup
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

2-10-97: "Euro's creation raises money laundering fears" OECD task force report(*) identifies perils of a single currency and suggests Russian crime groups are linking up with the Mafia and Colombian drug cartels for laundering the new currency. Warns of other e-cash hazards. "Visa to Test Cards For Possible Use On the Internet" E-cash cards to be manufactured by Schlumberger and will use "virtually unbreakable" public-key cryptography. "Computer Security Becomes Biometric With Print Matching" Oracle's new fingerprint checking device to assure bona fide log-on privileges. Covers other such devices, quotes a maker: "if criminals or hackers get through these, industry will step up one more level." ----- STE_pup * A search is on for the report. Leads welcomed. The task force met last week in Paris.

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Re: Passphrase generation
by Adam Shostack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

You want to think about how does someone attack the passphrase? Essentially, there are dictionary methods, where probably passphrasess are checked. These are enhanced by the use of changers, where the word is modified in ways common to people changing passwords: target Target targeT target0 0target target1 Crack, by Alex Muffet, produces on the order of 1000 derived words per word its given. I use phrases of 30-90 pink elephants with some arbitrary pizzas tossed on the floor. Adam Jeremiah A Blatz wrote: -- Start of PGP signed section. | Internaut <unde0275(a)frank.mtsu.edu> writes: | > Hi, | > I am wanting to learn how to generate a passphrase that is at least as | > strong as the IDEA algorithm. I have looked several other places on the | > web for an answer to this, but they all had different things to say that | > didn't add up (no pun intended :). | | Chech out the cannonical passphrase FAQ: | http://www.stack.nl/~galactus/remailers/passphrase-faq.html | | This one has some quick reminders of what to do and not to do | http://www.encryption.com/pphrase.htm | | Bottom line, totally random ASCII will have lots of bits per | character, but english has about 1.2 bits per character. Misspellings | can add to that, depending on the extent of mutillation . Combining | certain words can make your passphrase weaker (such as "To be or not | to be," "This is my passphrase," etc.). | | HTH, | Jer | | "standing on top of the world/ never knew how you never could/ never knew | why you never could live/ innocent life that everyone did" -Wormhole -- End of PGP signed section. -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume

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STE_pup
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

2-10-97: "Euro's creation raises money laundering fears" OECD task force report(*) identifies perils of a single currency and suggests Russian crime groups are linking up with the Mafia and Colombian drug cartels for laundering the new currency. Warns of other e-cash hazards. "Visa to Test Cards For Possible Use On the Internet" E-cash cards to be manufactured by Schlumberger and will use "virtually unbreakable" public-key cryptography. "Computer Security Becomes Biometric With Print Matching" Oracle's new fingerprint checking device to assure bona fide log-on privileges. Covers other such devices, quotes a maker: "if criminals or hackers get through these, industry will step up one more level." ----- STE_pup * A search is on for the report. Leads welcomed. The task force met last week in Paris.

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Re: Moderation experiment almost over; "put up or shut up"
by Firebeard 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>>>> John Gilmore writes: JG> Sandy has agreed to continue moderation through the end of the JG> original 1-month experiment (through Feb 19). And it's a good JG> thing, too, because the "cypherpunks community" had better get off JG> its whining butt in the next ten days, or it will no longer exist. [...] JG> This is a "put up or shut up" to the cypherpunks community. This appears to be as good a time as any to announce that I'm "putting up". I've already taken steps, along with Jim Choate, to start a network of majordomos hosting a Cypherpunks mailing list. I didn't intend to announce this until Jim and I had gotten the first pair of 'domos working properly, but this means that we'll need to speed things up. Our intention is to have a set of majordomos which are intersubscribed to a cypherpunks list on each one, with measures taken to ensure that mail loops don't develop. As the resulting mailing list from each 'domo will be identical, periodically (initially weekly), the subscriber lists of all of the participating majordomos will be compared, with any duplicate subscribers being removed from the 'domo(s) with the longest subscriber list. There will be no filtering done of any mail to the collective list, although anyone interested in providing a filtered list will be welcome to subscribe to the list. Anyone interested in joining the 'domo network with the conditions described (duplicate subscriber checking and no filtering) is welcome. John, I'd appreciate your permission to use your Cypherpunks welcome message as the basis for the welcome message of this new list. Also, while we will make every effort to have this new list available for subscriptions by Feb 20, I'd appreciate it if you could consider making the current list available for a short period longer if we encounter unanticipated difficulties. -- #include <disclaimer.h> /* Sten Drescher */ ObCDABait: For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses. [Eze 23:20] ObFelony: President Clinton, you suck, and those boys died! Unsolicited bulk email will be stored and handled for a US$500/KB fee.

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Digital Signature Legislation (MN)
by Kevin L Prigge 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Minnesota Legislature has a bill pending in both houses regarding digital signatures, defines certification authorities, and provides for licensing of authorities. http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/cgi-bin/bldbill.pl?bill=H0056.0&session=… http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/cgi-bin/bldbill.pl?bill=S0173.0&session=… A quick read looks good, although I am not a lawyer. This only affects digital signatures used in financial transactions, AFAIK, and does not prohibit non-licensed cert authorities. -- Kevin L. Prigge | Some mornings, it's just not worth Systems Software Programmer | chewing through the leather straps. Internet Enterprise - OIT | - Emo Phillips University of Minnesota |

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Re: Moderation experiment almost over; "put up or shut up"
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, You have probably just read John's post. I truly hope YOU (each and every one of you) can rise to his challenge. If you have offered nothing in the past but criticism, it's now time to get a bit more real. What will it be, your money, time, equipment? I would hope that the loudest advocates of "free speech" turn out to be the most generous, but I'm not holding my breath. Maybe the solution(s) will come from you lurkers. I hope you can put down your beer long enough to get involved. Finally, if anyone wants to discuss why the Cypherpunk list has come to this, or what I did right or wrong as a moderator, let's talk about--on the new list(s) YOU create. For now, though, it's off-topic. We have work to do. S a n d y P.S. To all those people who privately supported me in my attempt to help the list deal with its problems, thank you. I wouldn't have come back without your and John's encouragement. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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