July 2018 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: 75 year old woman destroys Georgian, Armenian Internet
by Robert Steele 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

This is a known old mind-set flaw that I and others have been talking about since the very early 1990's. You know as well as I do that redunancy is vital. That is why it is so idiotic for AT&T to continue to put the redundant air traffic control cable in the same ditch as the original, or why it is idiocy to put your backup magnetic tapes (back in the day) on a shelf in the same room as your computers. Here is the original threat slide from that era, Graphic: Cyber-Threat 101<http://www.phibetaiota.net/2011/04/2010/12/graphic-cyber-threat-101/> We are still our own worst enemy, and the US Govenrment, in our name, is about to waste $12 billion a year on cyber-war instead of cyber-reliability. In Australia a guy took a chain saw to the cable linking all of Northern Australia, entering through a clearly marked manhole cover. I used a slide for many years where Cable Crossing was replaced by a sign that said "Cut Here." Governments and corporations are simply not serious about sustainability. The Dutch, on the other hand, do get it, and Richard Cook's work in that arena is sensationally useful. Reference: Building National Knowledge InfrastructurebHow Dutch Pragmatism Nurtures a 21st Century Economy (The Cook Report on Internet Protocol)<http://www.phibetaiota.net/2011/03/reference-building-national-knowledge-in…>Reference: Cook Report on Internet Protocol<http://www.phibetaiota.net/2011/03/reference-cook-report-on-internet-protoc…> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:52 AM, RichardCAdler <richardcadler(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I dismissed this when I first saw it. Had to be an Onion story. . > > Then Sterling blogged it: > > http://www.wired.com/beyond_the_beyond/2011/04/penniless-little-old-lady-de… > > Perhaps we could at least build a nextnet distributed enough to > prevent *this* sort of thing? > > > "TBILISI (AFP) b Georgian police arrested a 75-year-old woman who > single-handedly cut off Internet connections in Georgia and > neighbouring Armenia, the interior ministry in Tbilisi said on > Wednesday. > The pensioner was digging for scrap metal when she hacked into a fibre- > optic cable which runs through Georgia to Armenia, forcing many > thousands of Internet users in both countries offline for several > hours on March 28...." > > ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: 75 year old woman destroys Georgian, Armenian Internet
by Robert Steele 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

This is a known old mind-set flaw that I and others have been talking about since the very early 1990's. You know as well as I do that redunancy is vital. That is why it is so idiotic for AT&T to continue to put the redundant air traffic control cable in the same ditch as the original, or why it is idiocy to put your backup magnetic tapes (back in the day) on a shelf in the same room as your computers. Here is the original threat slide from that era, Graphic: Cyber-Threat 101<http://www.phibetaiota.net/2011/04/2010/12/graphic-cyber-threat-101/> We are still our own worst enemy, and the US Govenrment, in our name, is about to waste $12 billion a year on cyber-war instead of cyber-reliability. In Australia a guy took a chain saw to the cable linking all of Northern Australia, entering through a clearly marked manhole cover. I used a slide for many years where Cable Crossing was replaced by a sign that said "Cut Here." Governments and corporations are simply not serious about sustainability. The Dutch, on the other hand, do get it, and Richard Cook's work in that arena is sensationally useful. Reference: Building National Knowledge InfrastructurebHow Dutch Pragmatism Nurtures a 21st Century Economy (The Cook Report on Internet Protocol)<http://www.phibetaiota.net/2011/03/reference-building-national-knowledge-in…>Reference: Cook Report on Internet Protocol<http://www.phibetaiota.net/2011/03/reference-cook-report-on-internet-protoc…> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:52 AM, RichardCAdler <richardcadler(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I dismissed this when I first saw it. Had to be an Onion story. . > > Then Sterling blogged it: > > http://www.wired.com/beyond_the_beyond/2011/04/penniless-little-old-lady-de… > > Perhaps we could at least build a nextnet distributed enough to > prevent *this* sort of thing? > > > "TBILISI (AFP) b Georgian police arrested a 75-year-old woman who > single-handedly cut off Internet connections in Georgia and > neighbouring Armenia, the interior ministry in Tbilisi said on > Wednesday. > The pensioner was digging for scrap metal when she hacked into a fibre- > optic cable which runs through Georgia to Armenia, forcing many > thousands of Internet users in both countries offline for several > hours on March 28...." > > ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: [silk] [liberationtech] Pakistan's Firewall: Need your help and support
by Srini RamaKrishnan 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Raj Shekhar <spamme(a)rajshekhar.net> wrote: > > Did not know India had a firewall in place. I know that the ISPs are > under the thumb of the government and will dance to whatever tune is > played. Is that what you are referring to? India is intending to gett its national version of Echelon http://goo.gl/5EFlF (links to) http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/news/internet/Govt-to-set-up-a-nati… Feb 28, 2012, 09.51AM IST Govt to set up a national internet scanning agency NEW DELHI/BARCELONA: The Government is setting up an internet scanning agency which will monitor all web traffic passing through Internet service providers in the country. The scanning agency to be called 'National Cyber Coordination Centre, will issue 'actionable alerts' to government departments in cases of perceived security threats. The move comes as the government has been unable to prevent many terror attacks, in the absence of a credible internet scanning system. According to the minutes of a meeting held on February 3, 2012, at the National Security Council Secretariat under the Prime Minister's Office, a National Cyber Coordination Centre will 'also scan cyber traffic flowing at the point of entry and exit at India's international internet gateways.' The web scanning centre will provide 'actionable alerts for proactive actions' to be taken by government departments. All government departments will now talk to the Internet Service Providers such as Bharti Airtel, Reliance Communication, BSNL, MTNL and Tata Communications through NCCC for real time information and data on threats. According to sources, government is planning to invest about Rs 800 crore in the setup. "The coordination centre will be the first layer of threat monitoring in the country. It would always be in virtual contact with the control room of the Internet Service Providers," the Deputy National Security Advisor Vijay Latha Reddy said, as per minutes of the meeting. The government is collating manpower requirements for the centre currently. "At present, the monitoring of web traffic is done by Centre for Development of Telematics ( C-DoT) which has installed its equipments at the premises of ISPs and gateways," informs Rajesh Chharia, President at association of Internet service providers. All tweets, messages, emails, status updates and even email drafts will now pass through the new scanning centre. The centre may probe further into any email or social media account if it finds a perceived threat. India's National Security Council Secretariat (NCSC) has asked various departments to assess their needs for officials, who will coordinate with the scanning agency. The National Security Council handles the political, nuclear, energy and strategic security concerns of the country. As per the minutes seen by ET, Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO) officials were of the view that there is no perfect system. "There is always an element of risk in using ICT. Efforts should be focused on reducing cyber security vulnerabilities," DRDO said. The meeting was attended by officials from DRDO, intelligence bureau, Indian Army, Ministry of Home Affairs, Indian Navy, Department of IT, National Technical Research Organization (NTRO), Telecom Department and Computer Emergency Response Teams of various departments. Internet scanning policy is followed in many countries. In US, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) scans the internet for keywords such as 'virus', 'bomb', or 'collapse.' The DHS sets up fake social media and Twitter accounts to scan the internet. Iran uses web surveillance to suppress dissidents. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: [silk] [liberationtech] Pakistan's Firewall: Need your help and support
by Srini RamaKrishnan 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Raj Shekhar <spamme(a)rajshekhar.net> wrote: > > Did not know India had a firewall in place. I know that the ISPs are > under the thumb of the government and will dance to whatever tune is > played. Is that what you are referring to? India is intending to gett its national version of Echelon http://goo.gl/5EFlF (links to) http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/news/internet/Govt-to-set-up-a-nati… Feb 28, 2012, 09.51AM IST Govt to set up a national internet scanning agency NEW DELHI/BARCELONA: The Government is setting up an internet scanning agency which will monitor all web traffic passing through Internet service providers in the country. The scanning agency to be called 'National Cyber Coordination Centre, will issue 'actionable alerts' to government departments in cases of perceived security threats. The move comes as the government has been unable to prevent many terror attacks, in the absence of a credible internet scanning system. According to the minutes of a meeting held on February 3, 2012, at the National Security Council Secretariat under the Prime Minister's Office, a National Cyber Coordination Centre will 'also scan cyber traffic flowing at the point of entry and exit at India's international internet gateways.' The web scanning centre will provide 'actionable alerts for proactive actions' to be taken by government departments. All government departments will now talk to the Internet Service Providers such as Bharti Airtel, Reliance Communication, BSNL, MTNL and Tata Communications through NCCC for real time information and data on threats. According to sources, government is planning to invest about Rs 800 crore in the setup. "The coordination centre will be the first layer of threat monitoring in the country. It would always be in virtual contact with the control room of the Internet Service Providers," the Deputy National Security Advisor Vijay Latha Reddy said, as per minutes of the meeting. The government is collating manpower requirements for the centre currently. "At present, the monitoring of web traffic is done by Centre for Development of Telematics ( C-DoT) which has installed its equipments at the premises of ISPs and gateways," informs Rajesh Chharia, President at association of Internet service providers. All tweets, messages, emails, status updates and even email drafts will now pass through the new scanning centre. The centre may probe further into any email or social media account if it finds a perceived threat. India's National Security Council Secretariat (NCSC) has asked various departments to assess their needs for officials, who will coordinate with the scanning agency. The National Security Council handles the political, nuclear, energy and strategic security concerns of the country. As per the minutes seen by ET, Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO) officials were of the view that there is no perfect system. "There is always an element of risk in using ICT. Efforts should be focused on reducing cyber security vulnerabilities," DRDO said. The meeting was attended by officials from DRDO, intelligence bureau, Indian Army, Ministry of Home Affairs, Indian Navy, Department of IT, National Technical Research Organization (NTRO), Telecom Department and Computer Emergency Response Teams of various departments. Internet scanning policy is followed in many countries. In US, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) scans the internet for keywords such as 'virus', 'bomb', or 'collapse.' The DHS sets up fake social media and Twitter accounts to scan the internet. Iran uses web surveillance to suppress dissidents. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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[Dewayne-Net] Hackers attacked Scientology with 220 Mbps DDoS
by dewayne＠warpspeed.com 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Hackers attacked Scientology with 220 Mbps DDoS Posted on 26.01.2008 at 10:33 in Tech News by Martin <http://www.rlslog.net/hackers-attacked-scientology-with-220-mbps-ddos/> A group of hackers calling itself b Anonymousb has hit the Church of Scientologybs Web site with an online attack. The attack was launched Jan. 19 by Anonymous, which is seeking media attention to help b save people from Scientology by reversing the brainwashing,b according to a Web page maintained by Anonymous (offline now). The attacks were spurred by the Churchbs efforts to remove video of movie star Tom Cruise professing his admiration for the religion, according to an Anonymous video manifesto posted to Youtube. b For the good of your followers, for the good of mankind and for our own enjoyment, we shall proceed to expel you from the Internet and systematically dismantle the Church of Scientology in its present form,b a creepy computerized voice states in the video. Anonymous followed up this dispatch with a second video blasting the media for failing to completely report the groupbs criticisms of the church. This video was taken down Friday by Youtube, citing a b terms of use violation.b Anonymous has managed to generate a measurable attack against the Scientology.org Web site. Over the past few days, the site was hit with several DDOS (distributed denial-of-service) attacks, which flooded it with as much as 220 Mbps of traffic, according to Jose Nazario, a senior security engineer with Arbor Networks, whose company compiles data on Internet attacks. The Anonymous campaign shows some level of organization. b 220 Mbps is probably about in the middle of attack sizes,b Nazario said. b Itbs not just one or two guys hanging out in the university dorms doing this.b On average, the attacks lasted about 30 minutes and used up 168 Mbps of bandwidth. In the past year, Arbor has seen attacks on other sites hit 40 Gbps, or 200 times the strength of the Anonymous event. Source: Cnet, Pc world ------------------------------------------- Archives: http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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[IP] Hackers attacked Scientology with 220 Mbps DDoS
by David Farber 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

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[fc] Financial Cryptography 2003 CFP
by Rebecca Wright 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Call for Papers Financial Cryptography '03 January 27-30, 2003 La Creole Beach Hotel, Gosier, Guadeloupe Sponsored by the International Financial Cryptography Association Original papers are solicited on all aspects of financial data security and digital commerce for submission to the Seventh Annual Conference on Financial Cryptography (FC '03). FC '03 brings together researchers in the financial, legal, cryptologic, and data security fields to foster cooperation and exchange of ideas. Relevant topics include: Anonymity Infrastructure Design Auctions Legal and Regulatory Issues Audit and Auditability Payments and Micropayments Authentication and Identification Peer-to-Peer Systems Certification and Authorization Privacy Commercial Transactions and Contracts Reputation Systems Digital Incentive Systems Risks Management Digital Rights Management Secure Banking Identity Management Smart Cards Implementation Issues Trust Management Information Economics Watermarking We are particularly interested in novel approaches, such as game-theoretic or economic approaches, to these topics. Instructions for Authors: Complete papers (or complete extended abstracts) must be at most fifteen (15) single-spaced standard pages in length and must be received by 23h59 EST on September 13, 2002. All papers must be submitted electronically. (In exceptional circumstances, paper submissions can be accepted, but special arrangements must be made with the program chairs prior to September 1, 2002.) Papers must be in either standard PostScript or PDF format, and should be submitted electronically according to the instructions at http://ifca.ai/fc03/ prior to the deadline. Submissions in formats other than PostScript or PDF, including word processor source formats such as MS Word or LaTeX, will be rejected. Submitted papers should include on the first page the title, all authors and their affiliations, a brief abstract, and a list of topical keywords. Papers must describe original work. Submission of previously published material and simultaneous submission of papers to other conferences or workshops with proceedings is not permitted. Authors of papers found to be double submissions risk having all their submissions withdrawn from consideration, as well as any other appropriate sanctions. Proposals for panels are also solicited, and should include a brief description of the panel as well as prospective participants. Panel proposals should also be submitted electronically, in plain ASCII format. The conference proceedings containing all accepted papers will be published in the Springer-Verlag Lecture Notes in Computer Science (LNCS) series after the conference. A pre-proceedings containing preliminary versions of the papers will be distributed at the conference. Important Dates: Conference January 27 - 30, 2003 Submission deadline September 13, 2002, 23h59 EST Author notification November 11, 2002 Pre-proceedings version due December 16, 2002 Proceedings version due March 31, 2003 General Chair: David Pointcheval (Ecole Normale Superieure) Program Chairs: Jean Camp (Harvard University) and Rebecca Wright (Stevens Institute of Technology) Program Committee: Chris Avery (Harvard Universiy) Helger Lipmaa (Helsinki University of Technology) Dan Burk (University of Minnesota) Dahlia Malkhi (Hebrew University of Jerusalem) Lorrie Cranor (AT&T Labs) Satoshi Obana (NEC) Carl Ellison (Intel Labs) Andrew Odlyzko (University of Minnesota) Ian Goldberg (Zero Knowledge) Benny Pinkas (DIMACS) John Ioannides (AT&T Labs) Jacques Stern (Ecole Normale Superieure) Markus Jakobsson (RSA Laboratories) Gene Tsudik (U. C. Irvine) Ari Juels (RSA Laboratories) _______________________________________________ fc mailing list fc(a)ifca.ai http://mail.ifca.ai/mailman/listinfo/fc --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com

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[Dewayne-Net] Hackers attacked Scientology with 220 Mbps DDoS
by dewayne＠warpspeed.com 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Hackers attacked Scientology with 220 Mbps DDoS Posted on 26.01.2008 at 10:33 in Tech News by Martin <http://www.rlslog.net/hackers-attacked-scientology-with-220-mbps-ddos/> A group of hackers calling itself b Anonymousb has hit the Church of Scientologybs Web site with an online attack. The attack was launched Jan. 19 by Anonymous, which is seeking media attention to help b save people from Scientology by reversing the brainwashing,b according to a Web page maintained by Anonymous (offline now). The attacks were spurred by the Churchbs efforts to remove video of movie star Tom Cruise professing his admiration for the religion, according to an Anonymous video manifesto posted to Youtube. b For the good of your followers, for the good of mankind and for our own enjoyment, we shall proceed to expel you from the Internet and systematically dismantle the Church of Scientology in its present form,b a creepy computerized voice states in the video. Anonymous followed up this dispatch with a second video blasting the media for failing to completely report the groupbs criticisms of the church. This video was taken down Friday by Youtube, citing a b terms of use violation.b Anonymous has managed to generate a measurable attack against the Scientology.org Web site. Over the past few days, the site was hit with several DDOS (distributed denial-of-service) attacks, which flooded it with as much as 220 Mbps of traffic, according to Jose Nazario, a senior security engineer with Arbor Networks, whose company compiles data on Internet attacks. The Anonymous campaign shows some level of organization. b 220 Mbps is probably about in the middle of attack sizes,b Nazario said. b Itbs not just one or two guys hanging out in the university dorms doing this.b On average, the attacks lasted about 30 minutes and used up 168 Mbps of bandwidth. In the past year, Arbor has seen attacks on other sites hit 40 Gbps, or 200 times the strength of the Anonymous event. Source: Cnet, Pc world ------------------------------------------- Archives: http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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[IP] Hackers attacked Scientology with 220 Mbps DDoS
by David Farber 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

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Re: [liberationtech] New Satphone Safety Guide
by Jacob Appelbaum 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

On 03/13/2012 03:43 PM, Brian Conley wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm pleased to announce that we have released our newest guide, focusing on > increasing satphone safety through best practices. > > You can find the guide here: > > http://smallworldnews.tv/Guide/Guide_SatPhone_English.pdf > > comments, questions, and critiques much appreciated! > > I will be writing a longer blog about the motivations and timeliness later > this week. Also you can see Frank Smyth's comments here at CPJ.org: > > http://cpj.org/blog/2012/03/from-small-world-timely-advice-on-safe-satphone… > > > Hi Brian, Some thoughts in response to specific chunks of text from your pdf follow... "If you communicate with someone outside the satphonebs service provider network your communications are subject to any observation happening on the other user. Communicating with other satphones from the same service provider is much safer. Even this method is not entirely secure, but following these basic steps will limit your risks." This is a really weird statement. The first sentence is true. The second is pretty subjective, I'd even say incorrect but there is some wiggle room. The third is also a bit weird to the point of being incorrect. Limit what risk? Risk in relation to whom? If someone is sniffing the uplink for either phone, it's irrelevant to take such a step - it's probably even irrelevant if your threat model includes the sat phone provider as part of the adversary model. "The time needed to connect with the network is the first major security risk." Sure - why is that though? Isn't it because 0) the beam pattern for uplink 1) gps location being sent by the phone 2) the phone provider knowing 0 & 1 and 3) the downlink? So really is it the time that is the issue? Or what is done during that time? "2.3 USING A SATPHONE, A WALKTHROUGH" This walk through seems not entirely correct. For example 07 is not really the full picture, is it it? Isn't that when the phone sends the GPS data and not in step 10 as indicated? "3.1 PHONE CONFISCATION" I rather like this part of the guide. "In some cases the authorities may have the proper equipment to b listen inb on your transmissions, however this requires highly advanced and sophisticated technology" I think this is misleading. What country doesn't have the ability to do this? It requires a fun cube dongle pro or a GNU Radio, a commercial device or something else home brew - if a hacker at the CCC can do it, it's not "highly advanced and sophisticated technology" in my opinion. That isn't to say that it was easy, it's just that now that the work is done - the code, the hardware and the rest of the information is available for anyone who cares to try. That is not a high bar and it would be misleading to suggest it. "Your location may be logged at the service providerbs Ground Earth Station (GES)" Or anyone watching... "Thurayabs encryption has been broken, and more advanced governments may be able to break the encryption of other satphones. To learn more see Section 6.2.2" Which sat phone protocol isn't broken? I don't see a table for which protocols or devices you mean to support with this guide - so it's not clear why Thuraya is the security exception, rather than an example of the insecurity rule. "Voice calls are a very risky method for communicating via satellite." All times when a user is associated with the network the user is at risk. "It is best to keep your call under three minutes" Why three? "Email sent from your satphone does not provide the same protection as Email sent via computer or mobile data plans." While true, this implies that email is somehow secure, ever - which we all know to be totally bogus, right? "On some mobile phones and all computers Tor can be used to anonymize your computers traffic and hide your identity and location. If at all possible use a secure internet connection to communicate, not a satphone." Tor can't protect you from hardware that spies on you - if your sat phone sends your GPS location, an attacker will know the exact location of the user, even if they do not know what they are doing or saying. This seems obvious but it is important to note - the GPS location is at a different layer. "Inmarsatbs iSatphonePro" Why? Rheinmetall, trltech, and others intercept that by brand name. How is that better than Thuraya? They're all doomed in terms of content security and location privacy - why suggest those in that case? For example, it seems odd to me that you did not mention the Cryptophone[0] as an example of how to secure the content of the communications - that is probably the only tool on the market right now that has any such claim. Combined with a Motorola 9501 Iridium satellite pager[1], I think you could do something interesting that actually improved the security of communications or at least assist in solving the rendezvous problem. The Motorola 9501 is entirely passive and so it can receive with a very minimal view of the sky, it does not transmit your location from the device, etc. All the best, Jacob [0] http://www.cryptophone.de/en/products/satellite/ [1] http://www.outfittersatellite.com/iridium_9501.htm _______________________________________________ liberationtech mailing list liberationtech(a)lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click "yes" (once you click above) next to "would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest?" You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. You may ask for a reminder here: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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