July 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: A 'Funky A.T.M.' Lets You Pay for Purchases Made Online
by Tyler Durden 25 Jul '03

25 Jul '03

"So it's best to ignore the "unwashed masses" and their inability to understand untraceable money." That's precisely the wrong conclusion, assuming everything else you wrote in this post is correct. If one accepts that most young people don't understand the notion or implications of truely digital "cash", then one's tactics must change considerably. If de-empowering some aspects of the State is your goal, a new constrant is that your methods must not rely on anyone giving a crap about your goals, or possibly of digital cash. This does not mean that these ideas are destined to flounder, but instead it may mean that for them to have life they must find it somewhere where people can understand their usefulness. For instance, I can easily see some notions of untraceable digital cash finding applications over certain kinds of P2P networks. But if you continue to discuss the issue in the abstract, or purely in the context of de-stating the state, the youngins won't pay attention long enough for them to recognize why this may be useful to them. Eventually, however, they'll find the need for these ideas and do their homework. -TD >From: Tim May <timcmay(a)got.net> >To: cypherpunks(a)lne.com >Subject: Re: A 'Funky A.T.M.' Lets You Pay for Purchases Made Online >Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 00:46:09 -0700 > >On Thursday, July 24, 2003, at 07:12 PM, Steve Furlong wrote: > >>On Thursday 24 July 2003 15:50, Tim May wrote: >> >>>In fact, "digicash" strongly suggests David Chaum's "Digicash," >> >>That assumes the reader or listener has heard of Digicash, or of Chaum. >>Not an assumption I'd be comfortable making. > >Agreed, making the assumption that readers here have heard of Chaum or >understand the basic idea of blinded transactions (or dining >cryptographers, or oblivious transfer, or any of the other building blocks) >is no longer warranted. I expect many of the persyns of peircing now >spewing on the list are, like, thinking "that's, like, _so_ nineties." > >As for thinking very general readers or listeners, those not even on the >list, are capable of understanding Chaum or Digicash, that's a fool's >errand. The average nontechnical person knows nothing about how crypto >works, and attempting to explain a DC-Net or a blinded transfer is no more >useful to them than just telling them the currency is based on "magic >beans." > >The point is not that laymen need to understand Digicash, but that calling >things like ATM cards and Visa cards "digicash" does a disservice to the >important ideas of why Chaum's and Brands' and similar systems worked. > >Hey, maybe it's actually the case that some of the people here who are >referring to electronic debit cards as "digicash" just don't have a clue >about what blinding is and why it makes for truly untraceable tokens. > > >>I tend to use "electronic money" when discussing coin- or account-based >>systems, anonymous or not, with the unwashed masses. It conveys the >>meaning well enough to serve as an opening wedge to a better >>description, and it's general enough that it shouldn't offend the >>sensibilities of those few people who do understand the subject in >>depth. And it hasn't been gobbled up by any company, so far as I know. > >I stopped any efforts to explain the true importance of electronic/digital >money/cash a long time ago. A waste of time. Not too surprising, as getting >even the basic idea requires some passing familiarity with things like how >RSA works. When I read Chaum's 1985 CACM paper I already knew about RSA and >"hard" directions for problems (trapdoor functions), and yet I still had to >read and reread the paper and draw little pictures for myself. > >Thinking someone can absorb the gist via a purely verbal description is >just not plausible. I have seen David Chaum attempt to do this with an >audience of computer professionals....my impression from the later >questions from the audience is that his explanation simply didn't get them >over the "hump" to the stage of realizing the key concept. No more so than >popularizations of relativity actually ever got the masses to understand >relativity. > >There is much that could be said about whether this difficulty is why we >don't have untraceable, Chaum-style forms of money (I don't think this is >the reason). Regardless, wishing won't make it so, and so wishing that >people would "grok" the importance of blinding without having spent at >least a few hours brushing up on RSA and exponentiation and all that and >then following an explanation very, very closely....well, wishing won't >make it so. > >So it's best to ignore the "unwashed masses" and their inability to >understand untraceable money. > >More troubling is that so many _here_ don't seem to "get it." > >--Tim May _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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One-Click Treason
by R. A. Hettinga 24 Jul '03

24 Jul '03

<http://www.techcentralstation.com/1051/printer.jsp?CID=1051-072403A> TCS: Tech Central Station - Where Free Markets Meet Technology One-Click Treason By Tom W. Bell 07/24/2003 Accusations of treason fly when a nation goes to war. Sometimes, those claims stick. After World War II, the U.S. punished several of its citizens for having served as paid Axis propagandists. Recent terrorist attacks on the U.S. have triggered new cries of "Treason!" Could successful prosecutions follow? As the Constitution defines it, treason includes "adhering to" enemies of the U.S. and "giving them Aid and Comfort." Courts have already told us that paid propagandists meet the test. An American serving as a paid propagandist of the al-Qaida network would thus run a high risk of punishment for treason. The same would likely hold true of anyone who, owing allegiance to the U.S. , spoke on behalf of and in the pay of an anti-U.S. terrorist organization. The War on Terrorists will probably not generate any treason prosecutions of paid propagandists, however. Contemporary terrorist networks favor less formal -- we might say "packet-switched" -- operations. Terrorist enemies of the U.S. thus tend to distribute their propaganda via volunteers from the press, in the street, or on the internet. Could such volunteer propagandists suffer punishment for treason? Here, the law of treason hides a treacherous hole. Courts have not said whether volunteer propagandists for enemies of the U.S. commit treason against it. The volume of volunteer pro-terrorist propaganda alone makes that legal uncertainty worrisome. The growing ease of adding to that flood of speech makes the legal gap dangerous. Advances in telecommunications have made it astonishingly easy to publish unpaid, volunteer, freelance propaganda. Because she relied on short-wave radio signals sent from powerful transmitters overseas, Axis Sally needed Nazi help to broadcast to the U.S. Today, in contrast, a domestic "al-Qaida Al" could, with a single click on his weblog interface, bombard the world with anti-U.S. polemic. Does that mean that every domestic blogger who criticizes U.S. foreign policy thereby commits treason? Of course not. The Constitution requires treasonous speakers to "adhere to" U.S. enemies. Most critics of their country want to help it. As the Supreme Court explained in Cramer v. United States , a treasonous speaker must "intellectually or emotionally favor the enemy and harbor sympathies or convictions disloyal to this country's policy or interest . . .." A domestic blogger like al-Qaida Al might easily qualify on that count. The Constitution also requires that a treasonous act give "Aid and Comfort" to enemies of the U.S. Can mere speech do that? Here, again, Cramer v. U.S. offers guidance. The Supreme Court included "making a speech critical of the government or opposing its measures" among the acts that could aid and comfort an enemy. Again, al-Qaida Al might do that; bloggers already do. Suppose, then, that our imagined blogger owes allegiance to the U.S. , sympathizes with al-Qaida, harbors convictions disloyal to the U.S. , and uses his blog to express those views. Does he thereby commit treason? Although language from Cramer v. U.S. suggests that he does, that case speaks only to the prosecution of a paid propagandist. It thus does not control the hypothetical case of U.S. v. al-Qaida Al. And, as other courts have observed, al-Qaida Al has a free speech right to express his opinion. Treason law has not yet bridged the gap between paid and independent propagandists. If al-Qaida Al blogs as a paid agent of the al-Qaida conspiracy, he probably commits treason. If he speaks in complete independence of al-Qaida direction, he almost certainly enjoys immunity from prosecution. Between those solid edges fall a number of cases, including directed but unpaid propaganda, undirected but coordinated propaganda, and sympathetically republished propaganda. How should we decide whether those types of propaganda qualify as "treasonous speech" or "free speech"? One rule leaps to the fore: Require evidence of a binding obligation between a supposed traitor and a U.S. enemy. Their obligation would not have to be in writing, involve money, or make the accused an agent. At the least, though, al-Qaida Al's prosecutors would have to show that he had promised aid and comfort to a U.S. enemy. Free speech rights would win greater protection if prosecutors also had to show that defendant Al had gained something in the exchange. It would not have to be money; a promise of almost anything would suffice as consideration for the deal. Perhaps as little as Osama bin Laden's (allegedly) personal "thank you" would do, or a hypertext link on the (alleged) al-Qaida homepage. It would not do, though, to prove only that al-Qaida Al had emailed a promise of help to reliance(a)al-qaida.net . Prosecutors would have to show that Al got a reply and reached a deal. Courts may soon face the chasm-splitting treason law. They will then have to walk the legal tightrope between paid and independent propaganda, balancing the power to prosecute treason against the right to speak freely. To give that distinction a solid footing, to protect our liberties from a terrible fall, courts should follow contract law. Tom Bell is a professor at Chapman University School of Law and adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute. -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Re: Seminars not to miss in July and August 2003
by Tyler Durden 24 Jul '03

24 Jul '03

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Re: Dead Body Theatre
by Tyler Durden 24 Jul '03

24 Jul '03

Oooh! A very amusing notion. I'm wondering, however, if in terms of analogies showing two of the -Sr- Bush's sons in the photos might be more appropo (ie, Jeb & Dubya)...though I admit showing the daughters has more sheer shock and "fuck-you" value. -TD >From: Eric Cordian <emc(a)artifact.psychedelic.net> >To: cypherpunks(a)minder.net >Subject: Dead Body Theatre >Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 09:16:30 -0700 (PDT) > >I just noticed all news channels on the boob tube are showing endless >repetitions of what the US alleges are the dead bodies of Saddam Hussein's >sons. > >We all know how easy it is to make realistic fake pictures now that >everything is digital, so I was thinking what a cool hack it would be to >Photoshop some similar pictures of the Bush daughters, and post them on >the Internet for everyone to enjoy. > >Now that the new standard for pre-emptive war is to murder the legitimate >leader of another sovereign nation and his entire family, an "artist's >rendering" of Shrub reaping what he sows would surely be an excellent >political statement. > >-- >Eric Michael Cordian 0+ >O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division >"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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Re: Congresscritters want to be more... permanent
by Steve Furlong 24 Jul '03

24 Jul '03

On Thursday 24 July 2003 12:09, Sunder wrote: > Isn't that akin to when they vote themselves raises? :) What raises? That would be unconstitutional, and they'd never do that. What they get are cost of living adjustments. -- Steve Furlong Computer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel "If someone is so fearful that, that they're going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, makes me very nervous that these people have these weapons at all!" -- Rep. Henry Waxman

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Re: Dead Body Theatre
by Major Variola (ret) 24 Jul '03

24 Jul '03

At 06:00 PM 7/24/03 +0100, Dave Howe wrote: >the new standard, I suspect a suicide bombing of >the white house (killing all the staff and the shrub) would now be "ok" >provided they shouted 'surrender or die' first, yes? Dude, if Julius Caesar had magnetometers we might all be speaking Italian now. The one with the bigger guns makes the rules. Which is why those with smaller guns don't play by those rules. Just because the UN fnord hasn't been given the paperwork or Congress hasn't made the required fnord legal declaration, don't think there isn't a war on. Or several.

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Congresscritters want to be more... permanent
by Declan McCullagh 24 Jul '03

24 Jul '03

POLITICS News conference to announce bipartisan legislation for a constitutional ammendment to increase the term of House members from 2 years to 4 years. Participants: Rep. Charles Stenholm, D-Texas, and Rep. Roscoe Bartlett, R-Md.= Location: House Radio/TV Gallery, U.S. Capitol. 3:30 p.m. Contact: Anne Keller, 202-225-6605 or 202-225-2721

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Re: Fwd: [IP] Gilmore bounced from plane; and Farber censors Gilmore's email
by Tyler Durden 24 Jul '03

24 Jul '03

Eric Cordia wrote... "I mean, a 1 inch button, for Christ's sake. They must have had to use a magnifying glass to read the slogan." Actually, that's an interesting point. Let's first of all remember that Gilmore was allowed onto the plane in the first place, so airport security didn't care or notice. And it doesn't seem that onboard Gilmore was causing a ruckus or creating the sense of insecurity. And I'm willing to bet that none of the staff actually felt/believed that the guy was a threat (let's assume they have the right to remove somebody that perceived to be a threat). So clearly this was punitive. No don't get me wrong, I would have thought the guy was a little bit of dick for "spooking the straights", and I would have been tempted (note the word tempted) to punch that button off of him so we didn't have to turn around. But it sounds like a rehash of the mall incident...had he walked onto the flight with a button that said "I support our troops", he wouldn't have been thrown off. Thus everyone has become a kind of thought cop....but what they're enforcing is not the collective perceived reality, but what most people believe the collective perceived reality is supposed to be. There're cracks already though, and the fact that NY Times ran that photo on the front page the other day means a lot, actually... -TD >From: Eric Cordian <emc(a)artifact.psychedelic.net> >To: cypherpunks(a)minder.net >Subject: Re: Fwd: [IP] Gilmore bounced from plane; and Farber censors >Gilmore's email >Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:31:15 -0700 (PDT) > > > I felt sorry for the other 300 people on the plane who had their flight > > delayed for some guy with a small badge on his chest, and a big chip on > > his shoulder. > >The other 300 people on the plane had their flight delayed by the actions >of the carrier, not by the actions of Gilmore. > >You are falling for the usual mental trap here of viewing authority as >some sort of inviolate physical law, and transferring responsibilty onto >the victim for "making them do it." > >You should watch that in the future. > >I mean, a 1 inch button, for Christ's sake. They must have had to use a >magnifying glass to read the slogan. > >-- >Eric Michael Cordian 0+ >O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division >"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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Accuris - Challenges Facing You
by R. A. Hettinga 24 Jul '03

24 Jul '03

<http://www.accuris.ie/challenges.htm> Accuris - Challenges Facing You The current situation has left operators facing a considerable list of challenges: As the services you offer your customers increase so too do the number of Interception services and therefore the workload on your company should a manual approach continue to be adopted. The EU law imposes a legal duty on all operators to meet many standards in the Interception network including: 7 Integrity - The target must not be able to detect that the traffic is being intercepted. 7 Quality - The quality of the real-time Interception delivered to the Law Enforcement Monitoring Facility (LEMF) must be of the same level as that delivered to the target. 7 Performance - The operator must be able to implement urgent requests within minutes. 7 Lawful - Interceptions must commence and terminate at the exact start/end date and time referred to on the Interception warrant. 7 Security - Only individuals who have been appropriately screened and require access to Interception data should have this ability. In an increasingly global economy LEAs are increasingly requesting Interceptions from operators outside their home county. It is important to ensure that the handover interface you use to an LEMF is based on a commonly used standard. In the telecommunications business this usually means compliance to either ETSI or CALEA. Potential Implications 7Interception warrants are issued by the courts and need to be complied with exactly in order to ensure that the Interceptions carried out are in fact lawful rather than unlawful. 7Manual processes are costly, inefficient and prone to error. 7Provision of Interception on any service you offer may be required under the terms of your license. -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Accuris - Data Network Interception
by R. A. Hettinga 24 Jul '03

24 Jul '03

<http://www.accuris.ie/datnetint.htm> Accuris - Data Network Interception LMD-IP The LMD-IP is Accuris' IP mediation product, it mediates between the ISP's network and the Law Enforcement Monitoring Facility, delivering intercepted target traffic according to the relevant national standard. LMD-IP has been built on a component-based architecture, enabling the distribution of components where necessary to handle the intercept volumes and to tailor with the ISP's network. Features 7 Automatic activation/de-activation on all appropriate interception points. 7 Delivery of content and intercept related information in compliance with TIIT standards. 7 Support for warrant management. 7 Discrete billing capability. 7 Support for all Ethernet-based IP services (10MB/sec, 100MB/sec or 1GB/sec.) 7 Support for ATM and POS Benefits 7 Fully compliant with TIIT. 7 Passive interception ensures no impact on your network services. 7 Facility to manage multiple logical domains. 7 Architecture supports future value-added applications. 7 No software interception limits. 7 A product roadmap that is in step with the TIIT & ETSI standards as they evolve. 7 Deployed on non-proprietary hardware and software thus reducing operating and deployment costs. Common management system controls all interception services ensuring increased security and reduced operating costs. The Product The LMD-IP consists of five key components: 7 Intercept Management 7 Target Access Point (TAP) 7 Network Filter 7 Service Filter 7 Delivery Intercept Management This component is responsible for the activation/de-activation of the interception on the ISP's network at the start/end time indicated on the warrant. It passes the target's IP address to the Network and Service Filters and the appropriate LEMF delivery address to the Delivery module. TAP TAP splitters or layer 2 splitting can be used to replicate the IP data stream. This passive mechanism has the dual benefit of ensuring that the ISP's network is unaffected and that the target is unaware of the interception of the service. Prior to deployment, Accuris engineers assist ISP staff in determining the most efficient location to place TAPs on the network. Network Filter The Network Filter intelligently selects the IP packets of interest i.e. where the source/destination IP address is that of a registered IP target or a dial-in user is attempting to logon. Once identified this packet is then sent to the appropriate service filter. Service Filter The Service Filter is responsible for re-constituting the IP datagrams into their native service e.g. SMTP, POP3, etc. Delivery The delivery module is responsible for delivering the intercepted data and/or intercept related events to the LEMF according to the applicable national standard. -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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