July 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Dna samples of world leaders
by Major Variola (ret) 23 Jul '03

23 Jul '03

At 11:56 PM 7/22/03 -0700, Sarad AV wrote: >Yesterdays briefing on the death of saddams sons-the >bodies were said to be send for positive >identification through dna tests.How are these samples >obtained anyway?Royal Saloons,Royal Doctors,Visits to >the US during peace times?What more effecient methods >are used? > >Sarath. A guy was busted by using DNA from an envelope he licked in response to a "sting" letter from the police (but not appearing so). A guy was caught because his *son's* DNA was on file. Go dump-diving in places where his trash is dumped. And at his relatives houses. Befriend/employ someone where he/they get their bloodwork done. Cleaning people who dust where he sits. His barber. His launderer. Wonder how they got their dentalcharts. They'll have to show us the beef if they want to be believed. Of course, Bush and Rummy holding their heads on sticks will have to be edited from US markets... The first rule of missile fighting: the one who brings the full-auto rifle loses.

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Dna samples of world leaders
by Sarad AV 23 Jul '03

23 Jul '03

hi, Yesterdays briefing on the death of saddams sons-the bodies were said to be send for positive identification through dna tests.How are these samples obtained anyway?Royal Saloons,Royal Doctors,Visits to the US during peace times?What more effecient methods are used? Sarath. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

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Re: Remember 9/11
by Freematt357＠aol.com 23 Jul '03

23 Jul '03

In a message dated 7/23/2003 11:57:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, netkita(a)earthlink.net writes: This I feel is very unfair. While I do think that the Fbi and Secret Service could be closed and their tasks combined and given over to the NSA ,Marines and other law enforcement agencies, I think that overall the agencies did the best they could. This is utter bullshit. The US knew that Bin Laden was a threat and had been conducting covert operations with NSA against him for some number of years prior to 9/11. NSA was erasing the various bank databases that Bin Laden's funds were in and they were messing around with his wire transfers. Hell, Intel was even playing taped conversations of Bin Laden with his mother to impress Congress all prior to 9/11. Bin Laden choose the WTC as a symbol of American financial imperialism and as a punishment to our screwing with him...The failure IMHO is that rather than in engaging in largely harassing techniques-We should have gone after him in much as the same fashion as we are today-It isn't like we didn't have ample warning. What I'm saying for the hearing impaired is that our Intel agencies made the threat worse by playing games that enraged the attacker (Bin Laden) rather than neutralizing the threat. Regards, Matt Gaylor-

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Re: A 'Funky A.T.M.' Lets You Pay for Purchases Made Online
by Sampo Syreeni 23 Jul '03

23 Jul '03

On 2003-07-22, Sunder uttered: >If the digicash isn't anonymous, it's worthless. I'd argue to the contrary. First, "most people have nothing to hide". The folks will want digicash for reasons other than anonymity, as argued by this particular "inventor" (I've wanted to handle my cash automatically eversince I got my first debit card). Second, once the cash is online, it's considerably easier to pool it, confuse the authorities about it, connect it to the existing anonymity infrastructure, build secondary services which allow its origin to be completely masked, and so on. These sorts of hacks can well bridge the gap between ordinary cash/credit and truly anonymous online specie. They aren't the final solution, but they can help overcome the chicken and egg problem inherent in all digicash. -- Sampo Syreeni, aka decoy - mailto:decoy@iki.fi, tel:+358-50-5756111 student/math+cs/helsinki university, http://www.iki.fi/~decoy/front openpgp: 050985C2/025E D175 ABE5 027C 9494 EEB0 E090 8BA9 0509 85C2

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Leech politics could be bad for your health
by Steve Schear 23 Jul '03

23 Jul '03

Could your political beliefs determine how long you live? New research from sociologist Dr William Cockerham and colleagues from the University of Alabama in the United States has found that differences in attitudes to looking after your body and your health are predicted by your political allegiances. It seems those who believe the state should take responsibility for most aspects of life also tend to eschew personal responsibility for taking care of themselves. As a result, they are more likely to engage in lifestyles hazardous to their health, including drinking to excess and not exercising. http://thescotsman.co.uk/health.cfm?id=765012003 steve "Il dulce far niente" The sweetness of doing nothing My unemployment motto

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Fisk articles
by Harmon Seaver 23 Jul '03

23 Jul '03

Does anyone have access to the fulltext articles by Robert Fisk like this one on alleged torture in US internment camps in Iraq: http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/story.jsp?story=426520 that the Independant offers on a subscription basis? -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com

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curious about covert channels
by Adam Lydick 22 Jul '03

22 Jul '03

Had a random thought and was curious if anyone had an opinion on this: Would message-ID, and other realated mail headers that contain pseudo-random data, make a good covert channel? Eg: instead of choosing a pseudo-random value for the message ID, encrypt a block of data of the same length as the ID with a preshared secret key. Issues that spring to mind: * small, you would need quite a few overt messages to transfer anything sizeable over the covert channel. * Is it possible to tell the difference between pseudo-randomly picked values (typical mail client), encrypted data (depending on algorithm), and real randomness? (I suppose this could make the channel detectable) Thanks, Adam Lydick

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Re: A 'Funky A.T.M.' Lets You Pay for Purchases Made Online
by Tyler Durden 22 Jul '03

22 Jul '03

"Remember when the manufacturing jobs starting going south and they said "don't worry, this is an information economy now, and they'll all be information workers"? Not that I believed that at all, but now that all the information jobs are going south (or rather east and west), what are they claiming people will do here? Other than work at Hardee's, I mean." Well, there should be some Telecom contracts coming out of Iraq soon. And when those dry up maybe we'll find some more terrorists in, say, some of the 'stans. -TD >From: Harmon Seaver <hseaver(a)cybershamanix.com> >To: cypherpunks(a)lne.com >Subject: Re: A 'Funky A.T.M.' Lets You Pay for Purchases Made Online >Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:39:41 -0500 > >On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 10:25:59AM -0400, Sunder wrote: > > On Mon, 21 Jul 2003, Steve Furlong wrote: > > > > > (I won't be able to observe directly, > > > as I was fired from that company because I'm an incompetent slacker > > > (boss's view) or because the boss was a jack-booted jackass (my >view).) > > > > Shit happens. Just be happy you're not working at IBM. It was leaked > > that they're outsourcing to India, etc... > > > > see: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10613 > > Remember when the manufacturing jobs starting going south and they said >"don't worry, this is an information economy now, and they'll all be >information >workers"? Not that I believed that at all, but now that all the information >jobs >are going south (or rather east and west), what are they claiming people >will do >here? Other than work at Hardee's, I mean. > > >-- >Harmon Seaver >CyberShamanix >http://www.cybershamanix.com _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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Re: A 'Funky A.T.M.' Lets You Pay for Purchases Made Online
by Major Variola (ret) 22 Jul '03

22 Jul '03

At 10:25 AM 7/22/03 -0400, Sunder wrote: >> I worked on a commercial digital money system a few years ago. One of >> their business models was almost identical to Amos': stick cash in a >> kiosk to get electronic money. It'd be interesting to see how that >> system plays with Amos' patent. > >It's not going to be anonymous at all. Remember, ATM's are always >protected by cameras. If the digicash isn't anonymous, it's worthless. Yes to all points. Of course, this is why a bandana/burkha/ski mask is a good thing to carry when approaching an ATM. Better if they're IR opaque. Best not to do this if the ATM is attached to a bank though, for the sake of the guards' underwear :-)

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Re: A 'Funky A.T.M.' Lets You Pay for Purchases Made Online
by Harmon Seaver 22 Jul '03

22 Jul '03

On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 10:25:59AM -0400, Sunder wrote: > On Mon, 21 Jul 2003, Steve Furlong wrote: > > > (I won't be able to observe directly, > > as I was fired from that company because I'm an incompetent slacker > > (boss's view) or because the boss was a jack-booted jackass (my view).) > > Shit happens. Just be happy you're not working at IBM. It was leaked > that they're outsourcing to India, etc... > > see: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10613 Remember when the manufacturing jobs starting going south and they said "don't worry, this is an information economy now, and they'll all be information workers"? Not that I believed that at all, but now that all the information jobs are going south (or rather east and west), what are they claiming people will do here? Other than work at Hardee's, I mean. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com

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