May 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Email send
by Joseph Ashwood 14 May '03

14 May '03

----- Original Message ----- From: <pang_bo(a)163.com> Subject: Email send > We have 1,700,000,000 email address list.for all database (300$USD) Well I guess that settles the debate over how much spammers pay for their list of emails doesn't it. Joe

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Blue Windscreen of Death
by Bill Stewart 14 May '03

14 May '03

A different kind of car crash ------ Forwarded Message From: "Robert J. Berger" <rberger(a)ibd.com> Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 17:31:11 -0700 Subject: MS Windows Crash Traps Thai Politician in Car Crashed Computer Traps Thai Politician Updated 14 May 2003 http://aardvark.co.nz/daily/2003/n051301.shtml Thailand's Finance Minister Suchart Jaovisidha had to be rescued today from inside his expensive BMW limousine after the onboard computer crashed, leaving the vehicle immobilized. Once the computer failed, neither the door locks, power windows nor air conditioning systems would function, leaving the Minister and his driver trapped inside the rapidly heating vehicle. Despite the pair's best efforts, it took a full ten minutes before they were able to summon the attention of a nearby guard who freed the two men by smashing one of the vehicle's windows with a sledgehammer. A report (http://www.bangkokpost.com/Business/13May2003_biz12.html) published in the Bangkok Post indicates that the vehicle was Mr Jaovisidha's own BMW 520 which was being used while his state-supplied Mercedes, was being repaired. BMW's more up-market 7-series range uses a computer system called i-drive which has Microsoft's WindowsCE at its core (http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2002/Mar02/03-04BMWpr.asp) Did Mr Jaovisidha narrowly miss being killed by the blue windscreen of death? -- Robert J. Berger - Internet Bandwidth Development, LLC. Voice: 408-882-4755 eFax: +1-408-490-2868 http://www.ibd.com ------ End of Forwarded Message

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Re: What Happened????
by Tyler Durden 13 May '03

13 May '03

Apparently, some pilings smashed a Boston megaPOP in Allegiance terrritory earlier today. Lots of 'sites were pretty much unreachable today. -TD >From: JR <jroyale(a)sonic.net> >To: (Recipient list suppressed) >Subject: What Happened???? >Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:36:48 -0700 > >Due to technical difficulties (where technical difficulties are broadly >defined as employing hillbilly system administrators) Pighaven, home to all >pigdog lists, is experiencing some much need rest. > >We anticipate that service will be restore sometime this evening... unless >of course, the hillbillies decide to get drunk instead. > >JR > >PS. If you are not subscribed to any pigdog email lists, I apologize for >bothering you. Nothing to see here, now move along. > > > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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Why are there so many statists and communists here on this list now?
by Tim May 13 May '03

13 May '03

In looking over the traffic of the past weeks, I am struck by how many of the posts are defending statism and state action. Mostly by Europeans, coincidentally or not. Did some mention of our list in the Journal of Social Action cause you to subscribe? Why are you here? --Tim May "They played all kinds of games, kept the House in session all night, and it was a very complicated bill. Maybe a handful of staffers actually read it, but the bill definitely was not available to members before the vote." --Rep. Ron Paul, TX, on how few Congresscritters saw the USA-PATRIOT Bill before voting overwhelmingly to impose a police state

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Hunting spam
by Mike Rosing 13 May '03

13 May '03

The following was posted on comp.dsp today. Maybe someone on this list would like to pay them a visit? Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike ------------------------Forwarded post------------------------- So who are the honourable gentlemen in the bulk e-mail business? This gentleman is one of the greatest spammers ever: Alan Ralsky Alan Murray Ralsky 6747 Minnow Pond Dr, MI 48322 Telephone: 248-926-0688 E-mail: amr777(a)comcast.net >From Detroit Free Press: "The computers in Ralsky's basement control 190 e-mail servers -- 110 located in Southfield, 50 in Dallas and 30 more in Canada, China, Russia and India. Each computer, he said, is capable of sending out 650,000 messages every hour -- more than a billion a day -- routed through overseas Internet companies Ralsky said are eager to sell him bandwidth." and here is his lawyer: Robert Harrison (248) 253-1800 2550 S Telegraph Rd Bloomfield Hills, MI 48302 he must be a busy man defending this very successful businessman. Here is another interesting person: Mark Felstein FELSTEIN & ASSOCIATES, P.A. Attorneys for EMarketersAmerica.org, Inc. 555 South Federal Highway, Suite 450 Boca Raton, Florida 33432 (561) 367-7990 Phone (561) 367-7980 Facsimile E-mail: mark(a)EMarketersAmerica.org E-mail: mfels(a)aol.com Here is some e-mail spider fodder, addressed back to my favourite spammers: mailto:amr777@comcast.net mailto:mfels@aol.com mailto:mark@EMarketersAmerica.org mailto:info@linkgift.com mailto:sales@linkgift.com mailto:abuse@linkgift.com mailto:jdoe@pointmarketing.net mailto:jdoe@demosondemand.com mailto:jdoe@www.demosondemand.com mailto:jdoe@mail.only-optin.com mailto:jdoe@www.only-optin.com mailto:jdoe@www.glbcom.net mailto:jdoe@chinese.net.my mailto:jdoe@marketingontarget.net mailto:jdoe@image.marketingontarget.net mailto:jdoe@track.marketingontarget.net mailto:jdoe@opt-out.marketingontarget.net mailto:jdoe@www.esijang.net mailto:jdoe@kali.com.cn mailto:jdoe@mail1.kali.com.cn mailto:jdoe@quote.morningstar.com mailto:jdoe@exchangemail.iodesign.com mailto:jdoe@rd.yahoo.com mailto:jdoe@www.kookmincard.co.kr mailto:jdoe@wwp.icq.com mailto:jdoe@sanangel.cdg.com.mx mailto:jdoe@email-4-prizes.com mailto:jdoe@www.email-4-prizes.com mailto:jdoe@ofr.mb00.net mailto:jdoe@click.memolink.com mailto:jdoe@i.mb00.net mailto:jdoe@www.memolink.com mailto:jdoe@r.mb00.net mailto:jdoe@smtp4.cyberecschange.com mailto:jdoe@m10.grp.snv.yahui.com mailto:jdoe@internetdrive.com mailto:jdoe@www.netbizplace.com mailto:jdoe@images.temd.net mailto:jdoe@opt-in.emailsvc.net mailto:jdoe@emailsvc.net mailto:jdoe@m3m2.emailsvc.net mailto:jdoe@track.emailsvc.net mailto:jdoe@i.coopt.com mailto:jdoe@track.coopt.com mailto:jdoe@tracker.coopt.com mailto:jdoe@test.hobbyheroes.com mailto:jdoe@www.qves.com mailto:jdoe@wireless.freeze.com mailto:jdoe@images.inphonic.com mailto:jdoe@messenger.netscape.com mailto:jdoe@ombramarketing.com mailto:jdoe@www.oneshare.com mailto:jdoe@0mbra.com mailto:jdoe@maktoob.com mailto:jdoe@www.sex4people.com mailto:jdoe@direct.coza.com mailto:jdoe@clicks.virtuagirl.com mailto:jdoe@b03.x0z.net mailto:jdoe@ssads.osdn.com mailto:jdoe@ssads.osdv.com mailto:jdoe@www.macromedia.com --- such nice people, these bulk mailers.

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Other changes to the CDR
by Jim Choate 13 May '03

13 May '03

Just as an aside, and perhaps a friendly warning :) We expect to complete the authorization issues on the current Hangar 18 cluster project the third week of June. At that point at least the current Hangar 18 lists (~200) and the SSZ lists (ie CDR and a couple of others) will be migrated to that format. We hope to have that migration completed by sometime in July. We currently expect to start with 80G of space and increase as needed. Additionaly we'll be moving from this ISDN to 384k SDSL in the Oct. time frame. At least at the start we will continue to support subscribers in the traditional sense. But once we have enough 9P users (there are drivers for many OS'es now) we can drop the traditional *nix interface (we'll probably do that when 90% of our users are via 9P). It's worth mentioning that we'll also be able to support NFS and SMB as well (though we will not make such resources universal/global in nature because of the various security issues, they also have very! limited support for transitive mounts). The general layout will be to mount the namespace on some local point of your choosing (eg /hangar18) and below that will be all the community resources. To participate in a list for example will be nothing more than editing a text file and dropping it in the appropriate dir (eg /hangar18/cypherpunks/submission) where it will then be moved over to a longer-lived location (eg /hangar18/cypherpunks/<date>). The propogation will be handled via 9P services. To access the resources one must either be a direct participant via tit-for-tat or else a tit-for-tat node will provide some sort of access via their own policies (eg $$ to the public or free to friends). The title will be the filename, the author the owner, and if you want to cc then it will be a cp with multiple targets, and each 'mail list' will not be aware of what other lists it was copied to (though you could certainly create a header like structure to share that info). -- ____________________________________________________________________ We are all interested in the future for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. Criswell, "Plan 9 from Outer Space" ravage(a)ssz.com jchoate(a)open-forge.org www.ssz.com www.open-forge.org --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: A Trial Balloon to Ban Email?
by Jim Choate 13 May '03

13 May '03

On Mon, 12 May 2003, Sunder wrote: > And what about people that use something underpowered like a Palm IV to > send email? Does it really make sense to force their little dragonball > powered machines to do a whole lot of math? Tell 'em to get a real PDA, preferably a Zaurus but a PowerPC is acceptable. -- ____________________________________________________________________ We are all interested in the future for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. Criswell, "Plan 9 from Outer Space" ravage(a)ssz.com jchoate(a)open-forge.org www.ssz.com www.open-forge.org --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: economics of spam (Re: A Trial Balloon to Ban Email?)
by Steven M. Bellovin 13 May '03

13 May '03

In message <200305130152.h4D1qC1F007097(a)syn.hamachi.org>, Bill Sommerfeld write s: >> The other side of this equation is what a second of CPU costs in >> monetary terms to a spammer. (To an end user it is essentially free >> because his CPU is mostly idle anyway; the limiting factor for the >> user is his preference for fast mail delivery (and in the dialup >> case an unwillingness to sit waiting for tokens to be calcluated >> before his mail can be sent). > >If you believe http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2988209.stm, >spammers are beginning to use viruses to deploy spam relays. > >If a spammer has a zombie army of a few thousand compromised systems, >the spammer's cpu time costs for hashcash will also essentially be >free. The spammers are doing that and more. For example, recent traffic on the NANOG list suggests that they are using false BGP advertisements on stolen address blocks to shoot and run. (There is a proposal to stop that via cryptographic authentication of BGP advertisements, but SBGP hasn't gotten any traction with most of the operator community yet. Just why is a subject for a separate thread.) --Steve Bellovin, http://www.research.att.com/~smb (me) http://www.wilyhacker.com (2nd edition of "Firewalls" book)

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Asperger's Syndrome
by Tim May 13 May '03

13 May '03

A symptom of our weird, statist, collectivist times is that many who excel at math, science, and business are now being increasingly characterized as "having Asperger's Syndrome." (Cf. www.google.com for hundreds of references.) In one line, Asperger's Syndrome is said to be a variant of autism, a kind of "able to function in society" variant on autism. Bill Gates is described as having Asperger's. In the past few weeks, we hear that Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein were "probable Asperger's." Maybe a biochemical or DNA link to a real syndrome, besides brightness, will be found, but I suspect that a lot of people with the ability to concentrate are characterized as being some kind of second-rate Rainmans just because they don't watch "Oprah" and "Survivor" on t.v. I've never met Bill Gates, though I did meet some of his contemporaries (Gary Kildall, Steve Wozniak, and of course all the folks at Intel). He seems a little weird at times...but no more so than a lot of the folks I meet at Cypherpunks, Hackers, PenSFA, etc. My tentative conclusion is that calling someone successful a "case of Asperger's" is just another form of envy or trash-talking. (Or of the popular meme in the past 30 years where child actors are fed lines showing their putative precociousness as they psychoanalyze the adults around them.) --Tim May "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the Public Treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy always followed by dictatorship." --Alexander Fraser Tyler

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Re: Cryptoanarchy: violence or peace?
by Tyler Durden 13 May '03

13 May '03

John Young wrote... "No, there's no contrast between commies and libertarians, left and right, they're all producing vast lakes of pig shit and blaming the foul odor of bloated self-interest on low-brow non-think chimeras of the government, corporations, the rich, the poor, the opposite, the other, those who are different, those who have more, or less, or get more attention, or fail to show respect, or who make fun of your fundamental beliefs, or insult your morals, ethics, aesthetics, politics, accomplishments, looks, way of talking, writing, joking, and worse, who have a knack for pushing overmuch sacred buttons of your ingrown fearful neurotic cult armed to the teeth with weapons of iron and spleen and inner infant hurt feelings, not understanding or giving a whit what you're deeply serious about, pathologically incapable of escaping the force of." Holy shit, Young. That was a grade-A rant, verging on the poetic. Kinda the Finnegans Wake of Cypherpunk posts. Needless to say, I didn't fully understand it, but that's no matter. -TD _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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