February 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: James Watson: Everyone should be DNA-fingerprinted
by Mike Rosing 03 Feb '03

03 Feb '03

On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > ----- > JW is too old and needs to be lysed. How about lsd'd? Then he won't know the difference between "real" and his head :-) Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike

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Re: Life Sentence for Medical Marijuana?
by Tyler Durden 03 Feb '03

03 Feb '03

"Great how bush's daughter, the cocaine addict, isn't in jail, but this man, who was deputized by the city of oakland to grow this marijuana, is going to be in jail for 20 years. Bush himself was arrested for DUI, I wish he was rotting in jail instead of ed." Hold it...Bush's relationship with Cocaine is on a first name basis at least. What's this about him as Governer of Texas flying the same plane that had supposedly moved the cocaine for the drugs-for-guns part of Iran Contra? And then there's the PERSISTENT rumors of him actually taking an accidental DEA bust in a Florida airport after landing a fresh new cargo. Supposedly this was a bit of a snafu and they had to let him go on the hush-hush...(And I keep hearing there's video of that bust.) Do some fishing around on http://www.spitfirelist.com/ftr.html and you'll eventually see the references. OK, maybe it's conspiracy theory crapola, but when you start seeing a LONG list of dates/times/places, you begin to wonder that perhaps at least a subset is true. -TD PS: I personally think it would be a waste for that hot little coke slut to get locked away. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Re: Self-destruct in SZ-4?
by Major Variola (ret) 03 Feb '03

03 Feb '03

At 09:09 AM 2/3/03 -0800, Tim May wrote: >Second, I would do the self-destruct with accelerometers: if several >accelerations are felt, detonate. 1. Modern munitions arm this way. If you are an artillery shell and you've been told to arm, and then felt 10s of Gs along one axis and a lot of rotation around that axis, you've probably been fired and can 'safely' explode when you hit something. 2. Why arm a satellite to do this is clear: During launch the rocket could screw up and dump your Top Sekrit satellite into the drink where Mr. Not-so-Friendly Submarine picks it up. It doesn't even violate a treaty if you can't use the satellite offensively (no glide next to a target satellite and go boom). And everyone puts a self-destruct charge in the launch vehicle anyway. Stressful jobs, RSO.

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Re: Shuttle Humor, Risk Estimation
by Mike Rosing 03 Feb '03

03 Feb '03

On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > I heard that at the beginning of the program, NASA estimated 1 bang > in about 75 flights. The Palestine meteor shower was flight > 130-something > and was bang #2. Not to mention that it's 10 years past retirement. Not too bad, but not so good compared to an airplane. > ... > BTW, two birds with one stone: Israeli & Indian. > > Has anyone run their psychosocial simulators on what happens when Osama > claims responsibility? Would he try this? What numbers do you get for > the US pop's reaction? It's easier to just say Allah is on his side and this is proof :-) Most people recognize accidents, and the connection between takeoff and missing tiles is too obvious to dismiss as *the* primary cause. Whether it's true or not remains to be seen. > [SCITECHCOMM] There is a former NASA engineer on one of the tube > stations trying > to explain tech, but he is doing a poor job and unfortunately > reinforcing > a certain notion of engineers as monotone speakers incapable of > relating tech to common experiences. He picked at a tile with his > fingernail on camera, which is good, but Feynman he is not. I only saw him once. He looked like Dilbert, so he'll be exactly what every one expects. Let's face it, TV is about stereotypes, and he fits the bill. Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike

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Re: mail weirdness
by Harmon Seaver 03 Feb '03

03 Feb '03

On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 10:23:58AM -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: > At 10:19 AM 02/03/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: > > Looking at this more, I think it's two separate problems. I don't get the > >"recipient list suppressed" or whatever it is from Declan's posts, it just > >appears that something is wrong with the header, and it's probably > >something > >minder.net is doing and I haven't done a group reply to anyone else > >posting thru > >minder.net. But with Steve's, I get the same thing Tim got. What list is > >Steve > >posting thru? > > Do you mean that Steve's posts always do this to you? > I've only seen one like that, and I assumed that Steve had simply > Bcc:d the Cypherpunks list and some other lists on that posting. I've seen a number of posts from Steve that have the "list suppressed" but I don't think it was always that way, maybe the last few months? And not sure if they all do it or not. > > Declan's recent mail has been sent to cypherpunks(a)lne.com, > so it's possible that if you're reading it on minder.net, > there's something in there that looks weird to you. > But it all looks normal here. Nope, I'm subbed to lne.com. Did you try doing a group reply on Declan's? And if he isn't on minder.net, that's even weirder. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com

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"Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!"
by Tim May 03 Feb '03

03 Feb '03

Journalists may as well be saying the above, saying that shuttle debris has evil spirits which can come out if the debris is touched. Part of the dumbing down of America, and of journalism. (I just heard one Fox News anchorbimbo referring to the Russian rocket launched today as "bringing supplies to the space station.) The journalists are spouting the NASA line that shuttle debris may be "hot" and may have dangerous substances. Right. As if the heat and spinning and 12000 mph turbulence hasn't scrubbed every surface of its volatiles. What they want is for people not to collect the pieces and hang on to them on their fireplace mantles. Or to try to sell them at flea markets and EBay. But the only way they think they can frighten people off is to utter obvious gibberish about how the pieces are "hot" and "may be toxic." "DALLAS (AP) - From corrosive fuels to ammonia-like liquids, insulation and plastics, space shuttle Columbia carried a witch's brew of toxic and caustic materials designed to work in the hostile environment of space. "Authorities warned the public to stay away from shuttle debris because it could be harmful. "Perry said either liquid oxygen from the shuttle's fuel system or liquid nitrogen used to inflate the tires could be dangerous. " Right. Those charred and warped pieces of metal are going to have liquid oxygen and/or liquid nitrogen on them...after the fall and after sitting on the ground (not to mentioned being so "hot," other NASA droids and reporters report). (Needless to say, any look at the images of the designated officials picking up the bits of debris shows no HAZMAT suits, no welding gloves to deal with the "hot" debris. The pickup crews are just wearing ordinary coveralls and uniforms.) Last laugh: CNN is carrying (10:06 a.m. PST) an "information" slug at the bottom of a Wolf Blitzer interview: "Columbia was traveling 18 times faster than the speed of light." Yes, "speed of light." Speaking of journalists, why does Wolf Blitzer repeat this obvious lie about the metal bits and pieces being tainted by evil spirits? Because these so-called journalists are stooges for the state. A real journalist would just roll his eyes and say "Look, folks, NASA wants these pieces to be aid in reconstructing the accident. There are no traces of liquid propellants and deadly chemicals on these pieces. And they certainly didn't stay hot for long. NASA is trying to get us to feed you jive so you'll be properly frightened and won't touch them.?" --Tim May, Occupied America "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759.

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Shuttle Humor
by Eric Cordian 03 Feb '03

03 Feb '03

PRICELESS --------- Zionist Entity air force training: $750,000 Unprovoked attack on another country's nuclear installation: $350,000 Bribes to US Congressmen to promote "Zionist in Space" program: $1,250,000 The look on your fellow astronauts' faces right before the grenade you are holding explodes -- PRICELESS There are some things money can't buy, for everything else there's MasterCard. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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Self-destruct in SZ-4?
by Tim May 03 Feb '03

03 Feb '03

On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 12:48 AM, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: > The only theory that I find remotely worth pursuing is that the shuttle > was bringing something back to earth that didn't want to come down. Tim > seems to have thoughts about this -- how easily could a satellite be > designed with a "self-destruct upon reentering Earth's atmosphere" > device? > First, don't think "atmosphere" qua atmosphere, as the satellite was likely under vacuum most of the way down. Second, I would do the self-destruct with accelerometers: if several accelerations are felt, detonate. --Tim May "They played all kinds of games, kept the House in session all night, and it was a very complicated bill. Maybe a handful of staffers actually read it, but the bill definitely was not available to members before the vote." --Rep. Ron Paul, TX, on how few Congresscritters saw the USA-PATRIOT Bill before voting overwhelmingly to impose a police state

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mail weirdness
by Harmon Seaver 03 Feb '03

03 Feb '03

Looking at this more, I think it's two separate problems. I don't get the "recipient list suppressed" or whatever it is from Declan's posts, it just appears that something is wrong with the header, and it's probably something minder.net is doing and I haven't done a group reply to anyone else posting thru minder.net. But with Steve's, I get the same thing Tim got. What list is Steve posting thru? -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com

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Carter's statement yesterday
by Harmon Seaver 03 Feb '03

03 Feb '03

Does anyone know where a copy of Jimmy Carter's statement yesterday can be found? Tried a google and got a zillion hits. From the Washington Post's take, it sounded quite interesting. Gee, Tim must be right, I must be a lefty if Jimmy Carter is starting to sound good. 8-) And I've even decided that come the next senate race in WI, I'm going to vote Dem for the first time in my life, at least if Feingold is running. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com

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