December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

bill soper & brains
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Wednesday 9/16/98 6:56 PM Underwood More than 40 years ago Armand [bunky] Larive, I, and others took history of philosphy from bill soper. Laivre is an an episcopal priest in Pullman now. http://www.web-x.com/wazzu.net/restaurantguide/index.html I don't see sopher listed in the faculty directory. http://people.whitman.edu/faculty_homepages.html Sopher invited an attractive articulate lady from the B'Hai religion to lecture our class. The LADY put forth an argument on why we should all believe. In the next lecture Soper, as a philospher should, went into every detail why her arguments were falacious. The contemplation of things as they are, without error or confusion, without substitution or imposture, is in itself a nobler thing than a whole harvest of invention. Francis Bacon I think Lairve was present at the lecture and analysis. I PROFITED FROM YOUR differential equations AND elementary mathematics from an advanced standpoint courses. But this has been about 40 years ago. I still have the books used in your classes. And my education at Whitman. Then, too, I profited from Zirakzaheh's higher alegraba course in the summer of 1958 at U Colorado. Let's hope this gets settled before someone gets NUKED. We know these guys. http://www.wpiran.org/ http://www.taliban.com/ http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/impact/namir/namirm.html And we SPECULATE that they are NOT HAPPY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. bill ---- Subject: Politicians, lawyers, and crypto Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:50:15 -0600 From: bill payne <billp(a)nmol.com> To: john_ashcroft(a)ashcroft.senate.gov Subject: Politicians, lawyers, and crypto Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:48:32 -0600 From: bill payne <billp(a)nmol.com> To: senator_leahy(a)leahy.senate.gov, conrad_burns(a)burns.senate.gov Subject: Politicians, lawyers, and crypto Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:46:11 -0600 From: bill payne <billp(a)nmol.com> To: john_kerry(a)kerry.senate.gov Subject: Politicians, lawyers, and crypto Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:44:26 -0600 From: bill payne <billp(a)nmol.com> To: info(a)kyl.senate.gov CC: senator_mccain(a)mccain.senate.gov, grassley <chuck_grassley(a)grassley.senate.gov>, cynthia mckinney <CYMCK(a)mail.house.gov> Kyl I am reading http://www.cdt.org/crypto/jonkyl.html Please help get this MESS settled. bill ---- Subject: crypto nonsense Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:38:25 -0600 From: bill payne <billp(a)nmol.com> To: abd(a)cdt.org, info(a)cdt.org, webmaster(a)cdt.org CHRYSLER AWARD NOMINATION STATEMENT 9/16/9812:50 PM American forefathers drafted the Constitution and laws of our country shortly after having suffered injustice. Fresh in their minds were strategies used by their oppressors. Writers of the Constitution and laws anticipated ways to subvert our system. Therefore, our forefathers designed safeguards into our legal system to prevent future injustice. But these safeguards DONT appear to be working today. Morales and Payne designed a strategy using the National Security Agency [NSA], Sandia National Laboratories, the US Federal Court System, and publication on Internet to illustrate how the US government has deteriorated. Arthur Morales WAS a supervisor at Sandia Labs in 1991. Morales and Manuel Garcia organized a class action lawsuit on behalf of Hispanics against Sandia. Sandia settled Morales and Garcias lawsuit. Department of Energy acknowledged from Freedom of Information Act [FOIA] requests that as of December 31, 1995 Morales cost Sandia $567,137 in legal fees. Sandia retaliated against Morales. Morales sued Sandia in New Mexico District Court. Morales lost. William Payne wrote a technical report describing deficiencies in NSAs cryptographic algorithms http://jya.com/da/whpda.htm. Sandia transferred Payne to break electronics locks for the Federal Bureau of Invesitgation [FBI]. Payne refused to do illegal work. http://www.jya.com/whp1.htm. Payne sued Sandia in Federal Court. Payne lost and court records were sealed. FBI agent Bernardo Perez led a class action lawsuit against the FBI for race discrimination against Hispanic FBI agents. http://www.usdoj.gov/osg/1995/w951482w.txt Perez won. Perez was assigned agent-in-charge of the FBI in Albuquerque for settlement. But Perez lost money. Morales and Payne learned that the FBI extorted an inexpensive settlement from Perez by telling Perez that the FBI was GUARANTEED to win on appeal in Federal Circuit. With Perez and others knowledge of circuit courts, Morales and Payne appealed their respective cases pro se to the Tenth Circuit. In Paynes case Sandia failed to submit its Brief of the Appellees on time. Then falsified its certificate of service when Payne filed to remand. In Morales case Sandia submitted a deficient Brief of the Appellees which was returned but failed to serve Morales with its brief. Payne and Morales both won at the Tenth Circuit on technicalities. But judges awarded the wins to Sandia. All attempts by Morales and Payne to get copies of the docket for their respective Tenth Circuit cases failed. Therefore, Morales and Payne hatched a plan to get the dockets and expose government misconduct. Payne previously made FOIA requests to NSA for copies of messages and translations given to Iraq during the Iraq/Iran war, copies of Libyan messages intercepted by NSA, and NSA cryptographic algorithms Payne thought contained deficiencies. Morales and Payne sued NSA pro se for the documents. Lawsuit progress was broadcast on Internet through e- mail and http://www.aci.net/kalliste/speccoll.htm http://jya.com/whpfiles.htm And Payne wrote Black and White Test of Cryptographic Algorithms criticizing the US governments crypto contest. http://zolatimes.com. Morales and Payne FINALLY got copies of dockets from their respective cases from the Tenth Circuit using Internet as an innovative tool. /\/\/\/\/\/\ Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 11:08:39 -0700 From: The Electronic Zola <ezola(a)lfcity.com> To: biru Subject: Re: Interested LATER? Hi Biru, > In > > Non-random Cryptographic Keys Defeat Key Escrow > > I will introduce, by example, readers to deBruijn diagrams and > statistical tests. > Both will be related to random number and pseudorandom number > generation. Sounds good to us. We know mathematics scares our readers. But some of our editors like it just fine. And we don't care much for the Great Satan around here. Cheers, Z --- I am not reading e-mail.

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RE: Democracy... (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> So if a Texas DPS officer pulled over a car from Louisiana he couldn't > hassle them in regards to the pot they had in the car. Even > though it was illegal for Texas citizens. Wow, you learn something new every day. I had always thought state laws applied to anyone in the states borders, not solely to those people declared citizens of that state. In fact if this were the case, why then would it be necessary for the recently bill/proposal allowing people with a valid concealed weapons permit in the jurisdiction in which they work to carry that home (different jurisdiction). In fact wouldn't he need a permit in his home jurisdiction and NOT his work jurisdiction? How could he get a concealed weapons permit in his work jurisdiction if the laws can't apply to him? Surely there is something amiss. Matt

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software
by CHerr58414＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

if u got any freeware for encripting and decodeing that would be great so if you can mail me back some info. Thanks

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RE: Democracy... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Matthew James Gering <mgering(a)ecosystems.net> > Subject: RE: Democracy... (fwd) > Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:46:04 -0700 > > So if a Texas DPS officer pulled over a car from Louisiana he couldn't > > hassle them in regards to the pot they had in the car. Even > > though it was illegal for Texas citizens. > > Wow, you learn something new every day. You didn't learn anything because you weren't paying attention. This was supposition based on a strict interpretation of the Constitution. You should try reading *every* word. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Larry Gilbert, AOLers, and the Hyper-real flamer
by AIMSX＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hmm... have you ever thought... that my mother may not exactly love the idea of me having access to other people's accounts... so I need to do what she DOES condone? You just don't seem to be using your brain. >Some of them have over 100 accounts on the same ISP, and are >truly so full of shit, that they're swimming in it. Kid, by bullshiting, all >you're doing is enforcing the view that AOL users are really AOLusers.

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Re: software
by HyperReal-Anon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 CHerr58414(a)aol.com wrote: > > if u got any freeware for encripting and decodeing that would be great so if > you can mail me back some info. Thanks > > we gots lotz of hardware for people of ur abillitiez in fact our hardware is really really hard so if u got any pictures of urself that would be great so if you can mail us back some. Thanks LamenessMonger

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Nita Daniel
by sixdegrees 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Democracy...
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 9/15/98 10:27 PM, Jaeger (Jaeger(a)hempseed.com) passed this wisdom: > >hey, would you care to show us where "seperation of church and state" is >to be found in the constitution/bill of rights? absolute right and >wrong is not a religious belief (necessarily).. your religious beliefs >do not affect the nature of reality. there are absolute truths by [snip] >> Ever heard of seperation of church and state? Democracy? the rights of >> >> the individual? While you certainly have the right to practice your >> religion in what ever manner you so choose demanding that everyone >> else >> does, or that the president of the us of ais subject to you PERSONAL >> faith decisions is outragous The first amendment states only that there shall not be 'an establishment of religion' it says nada about 'separation of church and state.' The intention was simple; that there would never be an 'official' state religion. It didn't say religion had no place. They were escaping a regime with an established state religion that used the goverment to stamp out religious deviationism. That was the sole reason for that clause in the 1st amendment. Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "...if you drink much from a bottle marked "poison." and it is almost certain to disagree with you, sooner or later" _Alice in Wonderland_: (Lewis Carroll)

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Democracy...
by Vivek Vaidya 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>>Almost 60 percent of those polled said they thought Clinton was fit to be >>>president. By what standard? That's the trouble. Americans have no >>>standards -- no unchangeable yardsticks by which they measure right and >>>wrong, truth from fiction. > >>By *their* standard, by their own personal judgement. There's no moral >>yardstick, and God help us if there is in the future. Who makes the >>yardstick? Who sits down and says, "This is the moral standard in this >>country, abide by it or suffer the consequences"? > >Sorry but there are absolutes and there is a moral yardstick. Whether this > is accepted or not is beside the point. > >There has to be absolutes otherwise any action can be excused (or damned). > The real cry should be >"God help us to instigate Your yardstick". God doesn't change and neither >does His measure. > >1)Love the Lord, with all your heart, with all you soul with all your mind >and all your strength >2)Love you neibour as yourself. > >Everything else hangs on these. > Ever heard of seperation of church and state? Democracy? the rights of the individual? While you certainly have the right to practice your religion in what ever manner you so choose demanding that everyone else does, or that the president of the us of ais subject to you PERSONAL faith decisions is outragous Vivek Vaidya ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Electronic Security & Counterintelligence" must become pervasive, and this is only possible if we release the private sector from artificial constraints on encryption, and if we return to our democratic foundation, the respect for personal privacy. We cannot regulate this, we can only nurture this fundamental national security arena. TAKEDOWN: Targets, Tools, & Technocracy Robert David Steele http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usassi/ssipubs/stratcon/steele.htm Another excerpt: 2.The greatest obstacle our government faces today in assuring national security and national competitivenessthe cause of causes for conflict and economic lossis the growing gap between those with power and those with knowledge.

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