December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Another potential flaw in current economic theory... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 21:13:04 -0700 > From: Bill Stewart <bill.stewart(a)pobox.com> > Subject: Re: Another potential flaw in current economic theory... (fwd) > Choate, who's never tried large-scale free markets, says that Actualy it's how I make my living, supporting those large scale markets (I won't argue the free part). > free markets don't work, and lead inevitably to monopoly, > and therefore we ought to use governments monopolies on force to prevent Where do I *ever* say we need 'government' monopolies. Not once, not ever. I have said, and stand by it now, that what is needed is an *impartial* 3rd party. That does *NOT* equate to 'the government'. What is important to my thesis is that the regulator is impartial. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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17 Dec '03

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Not really, the state holds a monopoly on "legal" force, whereas the Mafia and other black-market organizations do not. What is interesting is they use force often because they cannot use the government legal system to arbitrate their disputes. Matt > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Mynott [mailto:stevem@tightrope.demon.co.uk] > On Thu, Oct 08, 1998 at 04:14:32PM -0700, Matthew James Gering wrote: > > > > The Mafia has had two primary characteristics: > > > > a) the use of force > > wouldn't this characteristic define the mafia as a "state" to some > degree?

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RE: Another potential flaw in current economic theory... (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > free markets don't work, and lead inevitably to monopoly, > > and therefore we ought to use governments monopolies on > force to prevent > > Where do I *ever* say we need 'government' monopolies. Not > once, not ever. No, I believe he said (meant) government's monopoly on force (i.e. regulation, not anarchism), not government monopolies. > I have said, and stand by it now, that what is needed is an > *impartial* 3rd party. That does *NOT* equate to 'the > government'. Wow, I happen to agree, people need on objective framework in which to take their disputes. The only such framework though that need be a monopoly is one that deals with force as the dispute or where force is the end retribution (i.e. you cannot have regulatory arbitrage with force). The problem is the assumption that any such regulator could be impartial. The need for such arbiter needs to be minimized (hence minimal/limited government = laissez faire != anarcho-capitalism). Matt

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IP: Navy's Open Source Security Project Shines
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Delivered-To: ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 23:28:13 -0400 From: Richard Sampson <rjsa(a)sprintmail.com> Organization: Unknown Organization MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com" <ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com> Subject: IP: Navy's Open Source Security Project Shines Sender: owner-ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com Precedence: list Reply-To: Richard Sampson <rjsa(a)sprintmail.com> Navy's Open Source Security Project Shines Oct 08, 1998 (Tech Web - CMP via COMTEX) -- An open source security program created by a team of Navy programmers is proving to be one of the most successful high-tech network burglar alarms online. Late last month, the Navy released an unusual warning -- attackers were probing military computers in ways that had previously gone unnoticed, coordinating efforts around the world to keep any individual series of probes virtually invisible. Analysts had finally noticed the potential crackers' coordinated probes using the Navy's SHADOW, or Secondary Heuristic Analysis System for Defensive Online Warfare, intrusion-detection program. "It was partly dumb luck," said Stephen Northcutt, the Navy's lead analyst and programmer on the SHADOW team. But the software's sensitivity to subtle attacks, combined with the number-crunching power of statisticians associated with the project, let Northcutt and his team of analysts tease evidence of the probes out of a mass of apparently innocuous network logs, he said. The SHADOW software is one of a growing number of intrusion-detection tools on the market, designed to pick up and help analyze attempts to break into computer networks instead of simply functioning as a passive firewall-style siege wall. Most of the major commercial-security vendors, such as Axent, Internet Security Systems, or Network Associates, all provide intrusion-detection programs, with support and service teams that can help analyze possible attacks. SHADOW is different in this respect. It is freely distributed online. Like most open source programs, there is some documentation, but no official support -- although there is a huge community of programmers who have looked at the code and have written improvements and continue to tinker with the way it functions. The software itself is the product of more than two years of work by a team led by Northcutt. The code was initially released to the public last May, and revised later in the summer after a slew of comments and criticism from outside developers. It consists of two parts. Sensors sit outside a network firewall, monitoring normal and potentially illicit attempts to enter the network. An analysis system sits inside the firewall keeping a log of activity, and periodically putting this information in front of a human security analyst. In the months since its release, the program has been picked up and used by several major financial institutions, universities, local government systems, and divisions of large companies that don't have budgets for commercial intrusion-detection programs, Northcutt said. "It's very good at doing some things and not so good at others," said Allen Paller, chief researcher at the SANS Institute, a network-security research and education organization. The program can be initially difficult to use, since it requires users to program their own filters to recognize attacks or probes not included in the original documentation. But the program's open source birth and evolution has made it strong and extremely sensitive, Paller said. "The real strength of this process is [the program] has been beaten on." Northcutt is a proponent of pushing the open source model even beyond the development of code, at least in the security field. Most intrusion-detection programs function by picking up unusual events -- malformed TCP or domain name system queries, handshakes between servers and clients that don't look quite right, or other signs of computer probes and attacks. SHADOW and other commercial trip-wire programs do a good job of picking up things they recognize, Northcutt and other security analysts said. But new attacks -- such as the coordinated probes spotlighted by the Navy last month -- require considerable expert analysis to spot. "Attackers have been sharing very well inside their community," we have no equivalent to the underground magazines and other communication channels." -- Stephen Northcutt U.S. Navy That's where the open source model comes in, Northcutt said. Intrusion-detection analysts can function best if information about different attacks is widely and freely distributed. The Navy site that distributes SHADOW publishes much of the information it uncovers, and distributes new filters that recognize new attacks and probes. This kind of open, widely shared information is critical for stopping crackers, but must happen on a wide scale, he said. "Attackers have been sharing very well inside their community," Northcutt said. "We have no equivalent to the underground magazines and other communication channels." Paller agreed. His organization is one of several that sponsor workshops where security professionals can share their experiences with their peers. SANS also runs a security-oriented mailing list with nearly 55,000 subscribers, many of whom served as SHADOW reviewers. "Unless we get communication lines going, we can't keep up," Paller said. "Otherwise, we don't have a chance." -0- Copyright (C) 1998 CMP Media Inc. News provided by COMTEX. 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by Connectfree Admins 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: propose: `cypherpunks license' (Re: Wanted: Twofish source code)
by Blake Coverett 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>This might seem like a paradox: you give people "more freedom", but >they end up with less. How can that be? It has to do with stretching >the word "freedom" to include the ability to control other people. >That kind of "freedom" tends to leave other people with less freedom. >What happened with the X Window System illustrates this unambiguously >(see http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/x.html) This assumes that writing and selling proprietary software is 'the ability to control other people'. I fail to see why this would be the case. Free software is a good thing, but people *choose* to accept the restrictions of non-free software for any number of reasons. I do not see anyone being coerced into using it by threat of physical force. regards, -Blake (who prefers markets to religions, even with software)

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Re: Something else...
by Michael Motyka 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> I think freedom comes from order and knowing what to do with that >> freedom comes from chaos. > > Freedom comes from understanding what one can do standing alone, > naked, in the middle of a wilderness. Everything else is a > compromise of that. I was thinking more along the lines of : an animal that has literal freedom spends 99.9% of its time looking for food and avoiding predators. The order we impose upon our lives by being social animals give us a more satisfying type of freedom that is derived from leisure. What I see as the real problem is that as the degree of order is increased the society becomes more like an anthill. Which I consider the perfect example of a bioengineered police state. Kind of what corporate America would like all of us citizens to be - predictable controllable unquestioning undeviating uncreative underthethumb consumer units. A key means to this end is eliminating cash and privacy. It's no here yet but it's in process. I don't think it's a conspiratorial effort either - it's more the result of widespread bad behavior. I'm rather stunned at the blatant disregard our representatives display for the basic liberties the moment these liberties seem inconvenient. Mike Don't trust your HW or your SW. There are soldier ant footprints everywhere.

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