December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: FW: rules of engagement (fwd)
by Jim Choate 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:06:53 -0500 > From: Petro <petro(a)playboy.com> > Subject: Re: FW: rules of engagement (fwd) > I'm still about 8 days behind, so excuse the question: No. (;) > >> discussing at that meeting with members of EF Texas. BTW: Whatever > >> happended to the Classified Ad project?? > >I can still cover Austin, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Fort Worth, El Paso= > I am not sure, but is this an idea to put the 3 line RSA Perl > implementation in the classified adds? (as near as I could gather trying to > read ahead) If not, what is it? That is correct, it is the 3-line RSA proposal. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Texans Face Life For E-Mail Threats
by Anonymous 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

Yahoo! News Texas Headlines Friday October 30 5:21 AM EDT Texans Face Life For E-Mail Threats - (BROWNSVILLE) -- A Brownsville jury has returned a split verdict in the trial of three alleged ``Republic of Texas'' members accused of making terrorist threats. Forty-three-year-old Jack Grebe (GREEB) and 72-year-old Johnie Wise were convicted for sending electronic e-mail to President Clinton and several other federal officials... warning they were ``targeted for revenge''. Sixty-three-year-old Oliver Emigh (EM-EE) was acquitted of all charges. The jury also found the trio NOT GUILTY of plotting to use modified cigarette lighters to fire cactus needles... tipped with a biological poison. Grebe and Wise will be sentenced in January and face a maximum penalty of life imprisonment.

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No Subject
by Anonymous 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 From: Petro [SMTP:petro@playboy.com] Sent: Friday, October 30, 1998 12:07 PM To: cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com Subject: Re: FW: rules of engagement (fwd) I am not sure, but is this an idea to put the 3 line RSA Perl implementation in the classified adds? (as near as I could gather trying to read ahead) If not, what is it? Yes. The reference was to the 3 line RSA Perl implementation in ads. Didn't seem to get as an enthusiastic response as back in late summer. me. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.0 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> iQA/AwUBNjnS1nUkEFXvH2ZAEQIYewCfbUfDHUF51IjAl1u2q1wC9JcWS7gAn325 V8c9VPuwEZmebGX2s9tJqkap =CD5B -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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No Subject
by Anonymous 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

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Orwell
by Pallas Anonymous Remailer 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

Some US ISP's were seized in a cyberporn bust. Dreamscape's statement at: http://www.dreamscape.com/dream98/statement.htm Buffnet's at: http://www.buffnet.com/ag/ Vacco's at: http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/oct98/oct28_98.html All three worth reading. This could be a big story. The theory against the ISPs (not that they've been charged with a crime) is that they knowingly carried the newsgroups: alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.pre-teen alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.early-teen This has broader application -- alt.binaries.warez.*, alt.binaries.sounds.mp3, etc. Is any ISP which carries suspect newsgroups at risk of having its equiptment seized, and who draws up the blacklist of newsgroups? Or worse, is there no public blacklist at all -- just the hovering fear of an up-for-reelection AG swooping down. And when do naughty pictures start showing up in alt.fan.disney? And what's the AG's move then?

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IP: Thousands to Demand Removal of Clinton at 'March for Justice' -Oct 31
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: Thousands to Demand Removal of Clinton at 'March for Justice' -Oct 31 Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:43:26 -0600 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: US Newswire http://www.usnewswire.com/topnews/Current_Releases/1029-136.txt Thousands to Attend 'March for Justice' Rally Oct. 31 U.S. Newswire 29 Oct 19:56 Thousands to Demand Removal of Clinton from Office at Oct. 31 'March for Justice' Rally To: Assignment Desk, Daybook Editor Contact: Connie Hair or Carla Michele, 202-965-2700 (Oct. 29-Nov. 1), or 202-256-5042 (on-site cellular) News Advisory: People from across the United States will travel to Washington, D. C., to exercise their Constitutional right of assembly to petition their elected representatives to remove President Clinton from office at a massive rally being held this Saturday, Oct. 31 on the Washington Mall. The event, which is being organized by Web site www.FreeRepublic.com, will bring together citizens -- both Democrats and Republicans -- from all walks of life who are concerned about the corruption of the Office of the Presidency by Bill Clinton. Speakers for the event include both people who have been thrust into the limelight by the White House scandals as well as a number of prominent national leaders. Heading the line-up will be Ambassador Alan Keyes and Rep. Bob Barr (R-Ga.). What: "March for Justice" rally on Washington Monument When: Saturday, Oct. 31, noon-6 p.m. Where: The Washington Monument Who: -- Ambassador Alan Keyes -- Rep. Bob Barr -- Jim Robinson, founder, www.FreeRepublic.com -- Larry Klayman -- Gary Aldrich -- Lucianne Goldberg -- Former Rep. Ben Jones -- Dr. Paul Fick -- Rev. Jesse Peterson -- LD Brown -- Thousands of concerned Americans from all walks of life. -0- /U.S. Newswire 202-347-2770/ 10/29 19:56 Copyright 1998, U.S. Newswire ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- **************************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address or (un)subscribe ignition-point-digest email@address **************************************************** www.telepath.com/believer ****************************************************

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IP: Internet Allows Lies to Spread Far and Wide
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

From: Richard Sampson <rjsa(a)sprintmail.com> Subject: IP: Internet Allows Lies to Spread Far and Wide Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:04:48 -0500 To: "ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com" <ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com> Internet Allows Lies to Spread Far and Wide Oct. 30 (Detroit Free Press/KRTBN)--When the telephone was introduced to the American home, party lines and gossip ruled the day, as two, three or half a dozen households shared one phone line. Imagine, though, linking thousands of gossips on a party line. That's how rumors called urban legends travel the Internet. In April, the Taubman Co., the Bloomfield Hills shopping center developer, was on the receiving end of an Internet whopper about a mysterious stalker at the Mall at Tuttle Crossing in Columbus, Ohio. The bad-guy-in-the-parking-lot story spread through Columbus, reaching about 200,000 people. Within months, the same story, which originated at least a decade earlier -- no one knows where -- had been applied to malls as far as San Francisco and Seattle. Counteracting the fear sparked by such rumors takes a new approach, and a new breed of consultants such as New York's Middleberg Interactive On-Line Communications. Taubman turned to Middleberg with a $10,000 retainer to stem the damage. Amy Jackson, a consultant with Middleberg, began working on Taubman's predicament in mid-April and kept on until mid-June. "When Taubman came to us, the process had begun," Jackson said. "While they had a superior PR staff, they had no experience in addressing an Internet hoax." The Taubman legend had the marks of a classic. "No one can identify where it's sourced from; it's national," Jackson said. "It's a very serious problem. There's absolutely no truth to it, but the Internet spreads information instantly and globally." Middleberg defines urban legends as false stories with multiple variations. A story which varies in the telling is also the first red flag to investigators that it probably isn't true. Johnny Scales, general manager of the Mall at Tuttle Crossing, said he read three versions of the story before crafting a response for the Internet. "In one version it was a security guard, in another it was a well-dressed man in a dark blue suit, and in the third it was a guy in a T-shirt," Scales said. Scales investigated the rumor and consulted with police before going to the news media to refute it. This particular urban legend was spread mainly by a network of business and professional women, its membership ranging from secretaries to executives. Many received the rumor, then hit a button and E-mailed the story to friends, relatives and colleagues, without questioning its origin or validity. "There was a woman in Columbus who had hundreds of names on her list," said Chris Tennyson, Taubman's senior vice president of corporate affairs. Defusing the rumors is far more difficult than spreading them, and laws about passing on urban legends over the Internet are vague. Larry Dubin, constitutional law professor at the University of Detroit Mercy School of Law, said liability for making defamatory statements could extend to the Internet, but it's difficult to prove a rumor's source. "If someone merely repeats what they've heard as a means of providing needed information to someone else," they aren't liable, Dubin said. "The question is: Does communicating through the Internet, because you are disseminating information through large numbers of people, create a duty on the part of the communicator to check sources, like a journalist would?" Dubin said. For now, the answer is no. The law figures public people and institutions have access to the media to defend themselves, says Dawn Phillips-Hertz, general counsel of the Michigan Press Association. So businesses dogged by Internet rumors must use means other than the courts to dispel them. Taubman discovered what other companies, such as Neiman Marcus, have discovered -- that the Internet has an almost magical effect on the psychology of otherwise sensible people. Neiman Marcus was the subject of a false rumor, about a dozen years old, but new to the Internet. It said a woman went into Neiman Marcus and ordered a Mrs. Field's cookie. She asked for the recipe, was given it and later got a bill for $250. The story was sent all over the Internet with a cookie recipe. Neiman Marcus spokeswoman Molly Garr said when Neiman's gets E-mail on the cookie incident, it sends customers an explanatory letter, and includes the recipe. Jerry Herron, director of the American Studies program at Wayne State University, said stories like the shopping center stalker tale give people a reason to avoid malls -- especially if they feel uncomfortable there. "The very qualities that first made malls desirable -- open spaces, consistent temperatures and lighting -- now make them spooky," Herron said. "You feel creeped out at the mall, and you think, 'What's wrong with me?' You listen to the story and you think, 'There's nothing wrong with me at all. It's the mall, not me,' " Herron said. By Molly Brauer -0- Visit the four World Wide Web sites of the Detroit Free Press. Visit Auto Authority at http://www.auto.com, the Freep at http://www.freep.com, Jobspage at http://www.freep.com/jobspage and Yaks Corner for kids at http://www.yakscorner.com (c) 1998, Detroit Free Press. Distributed by Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News. TCO, NMG, END!A19?DE-INTERNET News provided by COMTEX. 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IP: Cyber force behind protest
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

From: E Pluribus Unum <eplurib(a)infinet.com> Subject: IP: Cyber force behind protest Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 06:59:50 -0500 To: E Pluribus Unum Email Distribution Network <eplurib(a)infinet.com> Cyber force By Anne Williamson What is dismaying to Democrats is a cliche to Republicans; no one has done as much for the Republican Party over the past six years as has Bill Clinton. But Bill Clinton has succeeded in making another significant contribution to American political life. Citizenship is back with a vengeance. If you don't believe me, then just check out the hottest site on the Internet, freerepublic.com. Begun by a handful of concerned citizens who discovered their comments regarding Clinton administration corruption were being censored in an AOL political chat room, the website itself is the achievement of one man, Jim Robinson of Fresno, California. A retired software executive suffering from muscular sclerosis, Robinson marshaled his outrage and his resources to establish the website. With nearly 10,000 posters and over 120,000 daily hits, Free Republic has become a phenomenon, a community and -- most recently -- a nascent political force of mindboggling potential. Dedicated to free speech, constitutional government and the exposure of government corruption, Free Republic works on an interactive basis. The pretext for opening debate is for participants to search the Internet for pertinent news articles and post them under Free Republic's many topics to discussion boards of which "Whitewater" -- the catchall Clinton scandal header -- sizzles the loudest. And then -- like a decorative tank of pirhanas tossed a treat by a friendly barkeep -- posters move in to dissect and critique the article. What emerges by the end of the fast-moving discussion "thread" no longer bears the prejudicial marks of journalists belonging to what FR characterizes as "the lamestream media." Freepers, as Lucianne Goldberg has dubbed them, employ links to other Internet sites for unusual citations, contrary opinions and facts supportive of their various arguments. Original material found wanting is received no differently. Dubious sourcing and fuzzy thinking take a drubbing. In fact, FR's forum is rigorous enough to have helped develop several contributors' writing careers: Lawyer J. Peter Mulhern went from a lengthy call-in encounter with Rush Limbaugh to a column for The Washington Weekly after a stint as an FR regular; and David Burge, the IowaHawk, whose whimsical and hilarious "verbal cartoons" lampooning the political left make him a FR favorite, lasted just long enough to get plucked by the Conservative News Network. Since the posts and accompanying threads are indexed and archived daily, FR's history along with that of the nation is readily available. Otherwise, tinker, tailor, soldier are all to be found on the Forum -- a cornucopia of experience and knowledge -- who are joined by White House monitors, disenchanted Democrats, San Francisco "soccer moms with brains," discouraged feminists and the occasional liberal iconoclast. New players stumble onto the site usually via a link from Drudge, WorldNetDaily, Town Hall or other news site while still others are tipped to the political cyber-salon by a friend or relative. When "lurkers," who often prowl the website for months, finally emerge in discussion threads, their first comments almost always reflect the same relief, gratitude and simple awe at the human resources assembled common to most posters: "I love Free Republic!"; "I can't believe what I'm seeing, I thought I was the only person in the country concerned about this administration!"; and "Free Republic forever!"; are typical of first posts. The site's development has been fueled by the Clintons' political thuggery. En masse, freepers form one giant collective detective bent on cracking a devilishly complicated case. Relevant facts are assembled, questions asked and informed speculation engaged in daily, hour by hour. With an alert and articulate investigative team numbering in the thousands, the exercise makes for riveting entertainment. Colorful villains enliven the storyline; there's "Slick," of course, a/k/a "Bent" and "Clintoon," there's "Hitlery" a/k/a "Shrillery" and "Hildebeast," and there's "Whorealdo," "CarVILE," "Sid Bluminsky," "George Steppinalloverus" and other luminaries from the "Kneepad Democrats" branch of the DNC. But FR is not just conservative angst and sly mockery. The site was instrumental in the quick exposure of CNN's fraudulent report regarding the alleged use of nerve gas against U.S. deserters during the Vietnam War, in the overturning of Clinton's attempt to negate U.S. federalism with Executive Order 13083 (signed when he was in Birmingham, England) and in achieving a moratorium on funding for a national identification card and for re-examining the desirability of a national data bank of all citizens' private medical records. Emboldened by success, it was shortly after the CNN fraud was revealed that Free Republic evolved yet again; organized political protest was undertaken by members of the regional chapters which formed rapidly over the summer. Ever since Labor Day, Bill Clinton has had nearly every public appearance in the course of his nonstop fundraising dogged by determined freepers waving protest signs and shouting stinging chants ("He's late, he's late, he musta had a date!"). Consequently, Barbara Boxer, Carolyn "Mostly-Fraud" and other endangered Democrats have had to resort to playing hide and seek with freepers. Some freepers suspect their growing effectiveness tipped the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post to file suit several weeks ago against Jim Robinson and Free Republic for violation of their property's copyright based on freepers posting entire articles from their respective publications. FR's position is that the postings and discussion threads compare to neighbors mulling over the daily newspapers around a kitchen table and are therefore allowed under the fair use doctrine, which permits the nonprofit use of copyrighted material for purposes of public discussion. The courts must sort it out but if I were writing the script, I'd pursue Free Republic's defense on the "creation of something new" aspect of the fair use doctrine. The website is unlike any other venue in American life; the newspaper articles alone are just so much fishwrapping for tomorrow's garbage, but the archived material is the unique product of an informed community of engaged citizenry; the very purpose the founders intended free speech to serve. This week Free Republic is undergoing another evolutionary leap, an unintended consequence of intoxicated Teamsters having roughed up demonstrators earlier this month in Philadelphia. After viewing television footage of the incident, Jim Robinson determined he'd had enough. He would, he posted to the forum, travel to Washington while the weather was still warm enough for a lone man in a wheelchair to spend the day outside the White House holding aloft a protest sign. Within hours, several hundred people determined that Jim Robinson wouldn't be making that journey alone. Now the protesters number in the thousands and Free Republic's "March for Justice" has been moved on account of its growing size from Lafayette Park to the Ellipse and from there to the Washington Monument. On Saturday, literally thousands of average Americans -- people who look like your neighbors because they are your neighbors -- from across the country, many of whom never gave a thought to political protest before in their lives, will have descended on America's national home in order to participate in a six hour grassroots protest funded out-of-pocket. They will be standing with one man in support of just one idea; the idea of one nation, under God, with liberty and justice for all. Eagles up, America! Anne Williamson, a WorldNetDaily contributor, has written for the Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, Spy magazine, Film Comment and Premiere. An expert on Soviet-Russian affairs, she is currently working on a book, "Contagion: How America Betrayed Russia," a chapter of which can be read online. -- ****************************************************************** E Pluribus Unum The Central Ohio Patriot Group P.O. Box 791 Eventline/Voicemail: (614) 823-8499 Grove City, OH 43123 Meetings: Monday Evenings, 7:30pm, Ryan's Steakhouse 3635 W. Dublin-Granville Rd. 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Hayek Web Page URL Notice
by Robert Hettinga 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 20:31:06 EST Reply-To: Hayek Related Research <HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> Sender: Hayek Related Research <HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> From: Hayek-L List Host <HayekList(a)AOL.COM> Subject: Hayek Web Page URL Notice To: HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU You may find the Friedrich Hayek Web Page of interest, on the web at: http://members.aol.com/gregransom/hayekpage.htm Hyperlink: <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/gregransom/hayekpage.htm">The Friedrich Hayek Scholars' Page</A> The Hayek Page includes links to articles by Hayek, interviews with Hayek, articles on Hayek available on the internet, Hayek's complete bibliography, the register of Hayek's collected papers, quotes on Hayek, quotes by Hayek, the Nobel press release announcing Hayek's Nobel Prize, a fact file on Hayek, and a bibliography of writings on Hayek, among many other resources. The Hayek Page also includes links to the Hayek-L email list searchable Electronic Archive, as well as links to the Hayek-L guidelines for posting, and to the Listserv commands for changing the setting to your Hayek-L subscription -- including instructions for joining the Hayek-L email list. Please feel welcome to forward along this message to other email lists and individuals where appropriate. For further information contact: Greg Ransom Dept. of Social Science MiraCosta College gbransom(a)aol.com >> END << --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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network computers, web TV, java
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

recently it was announced that Web TV, owned by mostly by MS, will not come out with a java version of their computer. even after talking about this as early as '97.. this is really BOGUS in my opinion. recently I posted how similar a Web TV is to a network computer. if you had java in it, I would say that IS a network computer. MS is trying to destroy the network computer market by this decision. the president of web TV denies MS has had anything to do with it. B*******!!! @#%^&* they say that it would "cost too much" to add java to their machine, and that they are "stretched thin". c'mon you idiots, you're a multimillion dollar company, and why don't you JUST COME OUT WITH ANOTHER JAVA MODEL that costs a bit more?!?!? what do you think we are, STUPID?!?! oh yeah, and how long would it take now that there are debugged Java Chips available??? I know what you're doing.... well you WON'T GET AWAY WITH IT-- mark my words, you @#%^&* gatesasskissers!!!!! gates REALLY IS AN EVIL, PETTY MAN it's just that he's managed to hide it from the world there's an old saying.. "I'm not trying to get EVERYTHING.. only YOUR HALF" .. but gates, your days are numbered!!! <g> see the article at http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,28136,00.html?st.ne.fd.gif.d

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