December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Kong Re: Using a password as a private key.
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(James - bug report below.) At 07:21 PM 10/29/98 +0100, Anonymous wrote: >What happens if you create another key which signs an existing message, >as was illustrated here recently in the case of Toto's key. Can you >convince Kong that you are the same person who sent the earlier message? No, you can't. I've got some sample Kong documents below. (Be sure to get the US version of Kong from http://catalog.com/jamesd/kong/ rather than the somewhat older version from replay (which you get if you tell James's page you're not a US/Canadian citizen. Some UnAmerican should hack their way through James's protection and update replay's version.)) If you check the signature on a document identical to one you've already got stored, it'll tell you about it, and list all the usernames that have signed that document. When you try to store a second key with the same name as an existing key, it'll tell you that they're different, and let you add a note to the new one. (Unfortunately, it doesn't also let you add a note to the first one; a nice feature change would be to always ask for notation when receiving a new key.) (It's a bit hard to test on one machine, since you tend to step over yourself in the process, but it should work fine in a clean environment, and Kong is very tolerant of having its Kong.mdb file blown away and doesn't even mind some editing using MS Access, though YMMV.) Signed by one key calling itself t3 - note the +Q in the first line -- It's a fnord! Run for your life! --digsig t3 +Q+XF9EiiOOGFa6rYr5QtU2My14/KyO01DHLikYDVv Fy1GfdEmmV07XfX9R3HEOc/BA+ajNa8/MRqDBhE1 4eLHEngilBC2g81hloGGQFmOYd35vQEHKGtBcb4F9 Signed by a different key calling itself t3 - note the H9 in the first line -- It's a different fnord! --digsig t3 H9/V3rBrv7Ha3g0Z1/ywvbHimgezshgcTzSYJxbS4z nCRf3S7brCpkLPzUD+dSFcErPNB+SdrF0q46TZnH 4YHfVOu6q+51iKrRc3ru63qk1wWCR2uR3wCALQRjs Same document as before, signed by the H9 t3 -- It's a fnord! Run for your life! --digsig t3 H9/V3rBrv7Ha3g0Z1/ywvbHimgezshgcTzSYJxbS4z z662iY5op2nMkXrI7nP4A5ehgvaoB5+q5daHbHgl 4NmZf3tZdVcZObpUmovyAeDBMZr1W9t5lDICMJc8b Kong lets you sign a document in different modes - in one mode, the document can't be modified after signing, and in other modes you can change whitespace or linebreaks, making it more tolerant of different email environments. -- This message didn't have any line breaks, and it's in Text mode. --digsig t3 H9/V3rBrv7Ha3g0Z1/ywvbHimgezshgcTzSYJxbS4z aAGTQyJ92R6XeoH7ZTepQ0f79xKddgm+bsIfLckn 4+WLznhaXWAf7fX0yay4Ajq6Bg+AGQo0T8r8aWbJ2 -- This message didn't have any line breaks, and it's in Strict mode, so this should fail. --digsig t3 H9/V3rBrv7Ha3g0Z1/ywvbHimgezshgcTzSYJxbS4z /6YbckVZQdSNbu4DSbrIjXRmu2wU8IiiXP3LnyUn 2I/gQ5Uq5+42xQYfLxCbDM+YwowNgkBFXlfPvfIYK By the way, you don't want to hit the "view" button after checking this one - you'll get Run-Time Error 3021 - No current Record and then Kong dies. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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H-WEB: De Long on Scott, Planning & Hayek
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 01:37:43 EST Reply-To: Hayek Related Research <HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> Sender: Hayek Related Research <HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> From: Hayek-L List Host <HayekList(a)AOL.COM> Subject: H-WEB: De Long on Scott, Planning & Hayek To: HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU Status: U >> Hayek On The Web << -- Modernism / Government Planning J. Bradford De Long, "Not Seeing One's Intellectual Parents" On the Web at: http://econ161.berkeley.edu/Econ_Articles/Reviews/Seeing_Like_a_State.html >From the review: "There is a lot that is excellent in James Scott's _Seeing Like a State_. It begins with a romp through eighteenth- and nineteenth-century German forestry--and the failure of the foresters to understand the ecology of the forests that they were trying to manage. It continues with a brief digression on how states tried to gain control of their populations through maps, boulevards, and names. These are prequels to a vicious and effective critique of what Scott calls "high modernism": the belief that the planner--whether Le Corbusier designing a city, Vladimir Lenin designing a planned economy, or Julius Nyerere "villagizing" the people of Tanzania--knows best, and can move humans and their lives around on as if on a chessboard to create utopia. Then the focus appears to waiver. There is a chapter on agriculture in developing economies that characterizes agricultural extension efforts from the first to the third world as analogous to Lenin's nationalization of industry, or Nyerere's forced resettlement of Tanzanians. But the targets -- the agricultural extenders who dismiss established practices -- lose solidity and become shadows. They are no longer living, breathing, powerful rulers,; instead they are the "credo of American agriculture," the "catechism of high- modernist agriculture," the "high-modernist aesthetic and ideology of most colonial trained agronomists and their Western-trained successors" -- truly straw men. The conclusion is a call for social systems that recognize the importance of what Scott calls "metis": a Greek word for the practical knowledge that a skilled and experienced worker has of his craft. Most such practical knowledge cannot be easily summarized and simple rules, and much of it remains implicit: the devil is in the details. T he key fault of "high modernism," as Scott understands it, is its belief that details don't matter -- that planners can decree from on high, people obey, and utopia result. Well before the end of the book an economist is struck by a strong sense of deja vu. Scott's declarations of the importance of the detailed practical knowledge possessed by the person-on-the-spot -- of how such knowledge cannot be transmitted up any hierarchy to those-in-charge in a way to do any good--of how the locus of decision-making must remain with those who have the craft to understand the situation--of how any system that functions at all must create and maintain a space in which there is sufficient flexibility for craftsmen to exercise their metis (even if the hierarchs of the system pretend not to notice this flexibility)--all of these strike an economist as very, very familiar. All of these seem familiar to economists because they are the points made by Ludwig von Mises (1920) and Friedrich Hayek (1937) and the other Austrian economists in their pre-World War II debate with socialists over the possibility of central planning. Hayek's adversaries--Oskar Lange and company--argued that a market system had to be inferior to a centrally-planned system: at the very least, a centrally-planned economy could set up internal decision-making procedures that would mimic the market, and the central planners could also adjust things to increase social welfare and account for external effects in a way that a market system could never do. Hayek, in response, argued that the functionaries of a central-planning board could never succeed, because they could never create both the incentives and the flexibility for the people-on-the-spot to exercise what Scott calls metis. Today all economists--even those who are very hostile to Hayek's other arguments (that government regulation of the money supply lies at the root of the business cycle, that political attempts to reduce inequalities in the distribution of income lead to totalitarianism, that the competitive market is the "natural spontaneous order" of human society) -- agree that Hayek and company hit this particular nail squarely on the head. Looking back at the seventy-year trajectory of Communism, it seems very clear that Hayek (and Scott) are right: that its principal flaw is its attempt to concentrate knowledge, authority, and decision-making power at the center rather than pushing the power to act, the freedom to do so, and the incentive to act productively out to the periphery where the people-on-the-spot have the local knowledge to act effectively. In short, by the end of his book James Scott has argued himself into the intellectual positions adopted by Friedrich Hayek back before World War II. Yet throughout the book Scott appears to be ignorant that the intellectual terrain which he has reached has already been well-explored. This is quite distressing ... " J. Bradford De Long, "Not Seeing One's Intellectual Parents". Review of James Scott (1998), _Seeing Like a State: How Certain Schemes to Improve the Human Condition Have Failed_. (New Haven: Yale University Press). 7/4/1998 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- References Peter Boettke (1990), The Political Economy of Soviet Socialism (Boston: Kluwer Academic Publishers: 0792391004). Friedrich Hayek, ed. (1935), Collectivist Economic Planning: Critical Studies on the Possibility of Socialism (London: Routledge: 0678007659). Friedrich Hayek (1937), "Economics and Knowledge," Economica 4, pp. 33-54. Friedrich Hayek (1945), "The Use of Knowledge in Society," American Economic Review 35, pp. 519-30. Frank Knight (1936), "The Place of Marginal Economics in a Collectivist System," American Economic Review 26:2, pp. 255-6. Abba Lerner (1934), "Economic Theory and Socialist Economy," Review of Economic Studies 2, pp. 51-61. James Scott (1998), Seeing Like a State: How Certain Schemes to Improve the Human Condition Have Failed (New Haven: Yale University Press: 0300070160). Ludwig von Mises (1920), "Die Wirtschaftsrechnung im sozialistischen Gemeinwesen," Archiv fur Sozialwissenschaften und Sozialpolitik 47:1, pp. 86-121." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Professor of Economics J. Bradford De Long, 601 Evans Hall, #3880 University of California at Berkeley Berkeley, CA 94720-3880 (510) 643-4027 phone (510) 642-6615 fax delong(a)econ.berkeley.edu http://econ161.berkeley.edu/ Hayek On The Web is a regular feature of the Hayek-L list. --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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by bettyrubble＠3253137429 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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NOT the Orange Book
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Paul Merrill, the author of "NOT the Orange Book," has provided a digital version of his "Guide to the Definition, Specification, Tasking, and Documentation for the Development of Secure Computer Systems -- Including Condensations of the Members of the Rainbow Series and Related Documents:" http://jya.com/ntob.htm (385K) Zipped: http://jya.com/ntob.zip (92K) This is Paul's 1992 manual prepared while working for DoD to evaluate and purchase secure computer systems, for ADP, C4I and weapons, and to compensate for the shortcomings of the official regulations. It's still widely used, Paul says, for the unending conflict between DoD, NSA, DIA and defense contractors about how to develop and assure computer security from lab rat pipedream to the warfighter's "wha's this piece of shit." Section IV, Case Studies, is a wonder at describing what to do when perfect design goes to hell in the field, and a pissed warrior who's comm's been compromised got a K-Bar sawing your apple, roaring "tech support, now!"

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RE: UK police chase crooks on CCTV (fwd)
by Albert P. Franco, II 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Snipped down to DCF's response... >My point is not that we shouldn't grab them it's that the "Human Rights >Community" is politically discriminatory and wouldn't think of going after >commies. > Since I live in Spain, I am privy to a side of the story that doesn't seem to get much air outside of Spain. (At least not that I've seen) In Spain, Spain is the protagonist in this issue--not the "Human Rights Community". It may be that they accept any help they may get from these folks, but the main push is from the families of Spanish citizens murdered by Pinochet. He not only killed his "countrymen" but also foreign nationals. Spain will try him for the murders of Spaniards NOT Argentineans, Brazilians, Americans, or any other nationality. >From inside Spain this issue doesn't seem nearly as global as the international community portrays it. I guess it's kind of like a certain African nation wanting to try a certain western hemisphere president for the deaths of some factory workers... Or perhaps in a small way a refutation of the international norm that protects rulers from the otherwise natural consequence of their actions. APF

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No Subject
by nations＠freeyellow.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

11/02/98 Y2K Solution! 8 Pine Circle Dr., Silicon Valley, Calif. USA OTC Company "TCFG" 21 st. Century Frontier Group has through several members of their administrative research department leaked vital information about their companies efforts. Everyone was tight lipped and interviews were refused, and through un-named sources we have learned that the technology and software solution are in the process of being patented! In over 1640 trials, using various data systems the use of the new technology and software solved the Y2K problem 100% of the time. This small publicly traded company "TCFG" which is just 3 years old is through various sources now negotiating with the "Big Boys"! "TCFG" the letters to look for.....

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Hacktivists
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"HACKTIVISTS" SAY: "THE REVOLUTION WILL BE DIGITIZED" Two political activists in New York, of cofounders of the Electronic Disturbance Theater, are organizing "virtual sit-ins" and recruiting programmers to attack the Web sites of persons or organizations they believe responsible for oppression. "We see this as a form of electronic civil obedience," says Stefan Wray, one of the two leaders of this effort. National Information Protection Agency chief Michael Vatis says, "I wouldn't characterize vandalizing Web sites as cyber-terrorism, but the only responsible assumption we can make is that there's more going on that we don't know about." Some activists agree with that assessment, but for different reasons; they think such methods are unproductive because they will antagonize the general public. (New York Times 31 Oct 98)

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Who is next? (re Jim's subpoena)
by DOOM Anonymous Untraceable User 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Could you mean this.... First they came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up, because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me. by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945. William J. Hartwell wrote: > > This ran through my mind this morning before I was totally awake. Maybe > somebody can help me with the original author of this.... > > When they came for Kevin Mitnick I said nothing. After all he was a big > time hacker and I wasn't a hacker so I did not speak up. > > When they came for Jim Bell I said nothing. He was a criminal and I am not > a criminal so I didn't speak up. > > When they came for Toto I said nothing. Surely he was nuts and I am > completely sane so I didn't speak up. > > When they came for Jim Choate I said nothing. He runs a cypherpunks mailing > list and I don't manage any lists so I didn't speak up. > > When they come for me who will be left to speak up? > > This is a poor paraphrase of the original but I wonder if it is something > that we may be saying here in the U.S. soon? > > -- > William J. Hartwell > (602)987-8436 > Queencreek, Az. > > billh(a)ibag.com billh(a)interdem.com billh(a)hartwell.net

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Re: wtf...
by Pallas Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mohammed Lazhar wrote: > > hey Guys : > I just subscribed to the list. I will be posting stuff soon > Mohammed Please let me know as soon as you post amything!!!

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