December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Triple DES "standard"?
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:11:37 -0500 To: jehill(a)nexis.org From: Vin McLellan <vin(a)shore.net> Subject: Re: Triple DES "standard"? Cc: Rodney Thayer <rodney(a)tillerman.nu>, Cryptography(a)C2.net Sender: owner-coderpunks(a)toad.com Rodney Thayer reported: >> Curiously enough, there seem to be no references to a standard before >> the X9.52 effort, which appears to be only a year or two old. NIST calls >> Triple DES a "private" standard. Josh Hill <jehill(a)nexis.org> responded variously: >? >Before things become standards, they are just good ideas. Triple DES is >widely used, despite the fact that there is no absolute standard. The >draft standard, itself, is actually quite straight forward... Nothing >really interesting about it, aside from ANSI's blessing. >NIST does the "we'll just refer to another standard and call it ours" >thing a fair bit... Look at FIPS 186-1: The RSA signature scheme accepted >is the one specified in ANSI X9.31. Actually, as I recall the tale, the Amercian Bankers Association-sponsored ANSI-accredited X.9 Committee's blessing of DES3 was itself pretty interesting. I understood that the NSA lobbied bitterly against the X9 effort to standardize 3DES as an ANSI standard, insisting that DES would surfice until its successor was chosen. A couple years ago, when the X9 committee -- or maybe one of the X9 crypto subcommittees -- rejected that advice and initially recommended that 3DES be made a standard, I was told that the NSA rep angrily declared that 3DES would _never_ get an export license and would never be shipped overseas. (Which may have put a damper on the 3DES standardization effort;-) Unfortunately, these standards development efforts usually escape the media's attention. Anyone on the list active in X9 and can give us the real story? Since the birth of X9 in the late 70s, the US National Security Agency has its own representative on the X9 Committee. As one might expect, the NSA has traditionally had significant influence over the ANSI "F" (crypto) subcommittees and cryptographic standards in financial services. There was a time when Ft. Meade effectively dictated those standards. Now, that is not necessarily so.... (After the NSA blundered so badly in trying to force the Banking industry to switch from DES to CCEP/Clipper in the late 80s, the Agency's mesmerizing control broken. The initial intro of CCEP/Clipper -- at an ABA meeting -- proposed that only US owned institutions could have access to Clipper. At the time, as I recall, maybe 10-15 percent of the US banks were foreign owned;-) The bankers couldn't believe that these idiots -- obviously so ignorant about the workings of the industry they were trying to defacto regulate -- were from the NSA of Legend and Lore.) I always felt that the NSA's alienation of the Bankers was probably the single most important factor in the collapse of the government's Cipper campaign. Suerte, _Vin ----- Vin McLellan + The Privacy Guild + <vin(a)shore.net> 53 Nichols St., Chelsea, MA 02150 USA <617> 884-5548 -- <@><@> -- --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Re: PWL files
by Chris Rowley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > I've been trying to figure out the method of encryption for OSR2 Win95 and > > Win98 *.pwl files and I was hoping someone had some details about the > > method used. [...] Does anyone have it figured out? > > I think Peter Gutmann and someone else figured it out sometime ago. Peter Gutmann figured out the old system. In reaction the system was changed by the OSR2 patch and in all further releases of Windows. What exactly it was changed to is the question. Chris.

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by Death46760＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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distribution scheme
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

forget my earlier mail saying I had uploaded to funet.fi - seems I get "permission denied" from both there and csua.berkeley.edu even in the incoming dirs. am I missing something here? please tell me where I can upload. Falcon

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distribution scheme
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm sorry, but it seems I have missed the original mail, i.e. the first quote here. if there is anything important in it that was not quoted, please include it somewhere in your replies. I hope I haven't missed any other mail. >>Falcon, aka FitugMix, wrote about a suggestion to chop crypto or other >>contraband material into separate streams, e.g. bit 1 of each byte in >>stream 1, etc., hoping that this would be "legal" because it's not >>really >>encryption, though if managed carefully it would still be hard to read. >this concept is virtually identical to fractal encryption, where a >message is chopped into its component parts (25 a's, 3 b's, 8 c's, and so >on) and also chopped into a configuration scheme. this form of >encryption does fall under the definition of munitions by the u.s. >government... yes, I found that out in the meantime. the legal aspect falls short of my expectations. I still consider the scheme to be both simple and useful because it actually changes the byte structure, so looking for 'a' or 'e' or similiar pattern-analysis does not work anymore. in combination with steganography, I believe this can make things really hard to find, but I'm willing to learn the opposite if someone with more cryptoanalysis know-how tells me. if I'm right, it might still be useful for people, e.g. in china working outside their local laws anyways. it probably needs extension before it's really useful, so I have put up the code on funet.fi (pub/crypto/cypherpunks/incoming). take a look and tell me what you think, please. Falcon

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FINAL REMINDER: New PGP and Mixmaster keys at squirrel.owl.de
by Johannes Kroeger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

New keys at squirrel already in use; old ones expire on January 1, 1999. Key for user ID: Squirrel Remailer <mix(a)squirrel.owl.de> (EXPIRE:1999-07-01) 2048-bit key, key ID 912CA289, created 1998/11/25 -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3in mQENAzZcErkA2gEIAMQpXNh1i9puYy/XwQIA8UrK+3BIPyCd92GBCqubdsJeEhAV cOCwfk3g0XGBDYiJBSkCqHG06IZMnXU6BVyukcLEUrmJXeyum7Nc6287ZBT92Ebm XCivROmMiOi2ZpdLUf2Na3QbFyUbZDu/vFTL64wJh3pqjP6BokpVoJi6IIGj7AS3 /Hi2iX9+jP80KUYfMZO0lAW3lTwXYtyduRuT8EoV71/+GTu/DNSBylXdR1zZVueH 531jDOysZbK+kqdlBc3U6GZYe405WVY8xbOprojI4nguPLKC19biLu2hJfFIYElX 7wvBBOMrIlUisvvsO1xm7XKdo/69fYC945EsookABRG0O1NxdWlycmVsIFJlbWFp bGVyIDxtaXhAc3F1aXJyZWwub3dsLmRlPiAoRVhQSVJFOjE5OTktMDctMDEpiQEV AgUTNlwUCLwPSJ4oQv5pAQE+iQgAzYGKS1rNcqQLzeKPAIfX0NrPfuHPWww+b9ZF y9d/dTPeR6dmdX4DbVguuYsRAO6rttklsYJRXpRN1CPO4pFGdSZhbfD2aaKQmADX Y3x0Jjf83jZhHo4sgWF6KxzZXNnZgao1Kkk4BNS8uRBy1jc6e/rTMhRrVABu5nt2 /NZEW8RrrRP3gOb1OSypieBKAfShxskLTiV5yi9rm2IRNhrRnadAygFiKjKBWIGy gKQgWuFNltXrMWriMffg5TVe+PjlTVIynkM9gjdQgE/cg56rqHkv/H5I6UsY0fol dYuNuATT+a1fbflqTfdjZYryEJZR3xndrCQk6wJbu8IMq8U1aokBFQMFEzZcE3oe XusFsYA8HQEBMYMIAJW3NETaKOaj3HA+mzHtmKf5GybI5yBBQ++NchMYOVBcJlHU 3euZx0kjgkjdm2SFZIZnjaLqYS7Nk4IJYMcvsGBrEtk7TFtyEZ8uHOQgUN1nbmOv tYr8gO7OyS/XULjz8uCuEvDza2dIBBiWstgxUOoKjMSXrjlMT4MRYPUphZS7Wf5n aNE2Y2cD0ANZIFbB3afc96TNtnO+VKnH2hIPWDogoSVGCO4Y1wqsH+VwiRwoLPcY R5qiWITbK6Ax3JCHv/a27VMiv4uHNDLU+FGq/8ksk9/EclWN2+Ni3qMD1aI/pTtt 3XhHBc8tLgWpW8J7Yy9DNxZmaAArqut4FqjPudKJARUDBRA2XBMRfYC945EsookB AQyuB/9hDivQELGw37CwDIgqmqdF31SpJeuHxhm4/BQg3Gc0Ezn3WaetkheX9p9+ lsEEq36oknIyg8GYgTr3nsRTgJXuwssB0SkiB+x3CkYegsuCgh30xAaxVB3RlIfU ny75Ltxl52p387bJ2sDc3STUQBEAy0HfjlgD98p7IO38D/rw/WWrXTko6rCcnuEx AzJ2Lx9klS0GLq/PxS9wK3V/5VM4rxMEhcnog+lHF1/GpvGnXAtNJztqqgdijjW8 C8qEJRKKh9c5PTCxBfwqLOHxsGCeBaEDzjO/LyCEohYlwZhBlVqN56zS6z0y7yBL AAF5qt39x2jsrKSH9p9fpZO06WuB =Yqyh -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= squirrel mix(a)squirrel.owl.de 3de441b2b721e4853259ae6952a0cfca 2.0.4b43 CNm -----Begin Mix Key----- 3de441b2b721e4853259ae6952a0cfca 258 AATdqb9WxExPliCxZIZ9GZyXCGZZiDa4bwZPSP4S lz7UORYAZu+rjGDinf4lfmPxfZIcF0X1oefLetF4 TxN4dZxmJWqz65NufN7pu4BngA1yGcV5Mn7LqbJh 8kqlGEdUFeb4LJTxhYW1flD1HEfmfE4nuYMQniSb oXLX1rypyH9OiwAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQAB -----End Mix Key----- -- Johannes Kroeger <hanne(a)squirrel.owl.de> Send mail with subject "send pgp-key" to get my PGP key

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Happy New Year 1999 - Export Trade
by anali 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Happy New Year 1999 - Export Trade
by anali 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

30-12-1998. DEAR SIR, WE ARE ONE OF LEADING EXPORT ORGANIZATION IN SRI LANKA.WE WISH FORWARD OUR EXPORT MARKETS INFORMATINS FOR YOUR REFERENCES.OUR EXPORT COMMDITIES DETAIL GIVEN BELOW: EXPORT COMMODITIES- ******************* 1.FRESH FRUITS AND VEGETABLES. 2.CEYLON BLACK TEA IN BAGS,PACKETS OR BULK. 3.CEYLON HERBAL TEA IN BAGES,PACKETS OR BULK.DETAILS AS FOLLOWS: i.Bevila Tea (Sida Racemosa)Recommended for Reumatic pains/Cooling. ii.Ginger Tea (Zingiber Officinale)Recommended for Stimulant/Carminative. iii.Beli Tea (Aegle Marmelos)Recommended for Chronic Fever/Piles. iv.Ranawara Tea (Cassia Auriculata)Improve complexion in Woman. v.Gotukola Tea (Centella Asiatica)Improve the Memory. vi.Cinnamon Tea (Cinnamomum Zeylanicum)Recommended for Reumatism/Cold. vii.Clove Tea (Eugenia Caryophyllata)Recommended for Cold/Stomachie. viii.Polpala Tea (Aerva Lanata)Recommended for Kidney flushing. ix.Lantana Tea (Phyla Nodiflora)Recommended as Diuretic/Carminative. 4.CEYLON HERBAL PORRIDGE IN CONSUMER PACKETS.(HATHAWARIYA,- GOTUKOLA,WEL-PENELA,MUKUNUWENNA & IRAMUSU). 5.CEYLON HERBAL TEA (BLOOD PURIFYING TEA)- TEPHROSIA PURPUREA,TINOSPORA CORDIFOLIA,PHYLLANTHUS EMBLICA,- EVOLVULUS ALSINOIDES & CASSIA AURICULATA. 6.CEYOLN HERBAL TEA (SLIMMING TEA)-GYRINOPS WALLA,- BAUHINIA VARIEGATE,ATALANTIA MISSIONIS,MINOSA PUDICA- & CALOTROPIS GIGANTEA. 7.SPICES (BLACK PEPPER,CARDAMONS,CLOVES,GINGER,MACE,NUTMEG TUMERIC AND CINNAMON). 8.FRESH COCONUTS AND DESICCATED COCONUT. 9.FIBER(COIR PRODUCTS)-FIBER MOSSTICK,HUSK CHIPS,COMPRESSED COCOHUSK,DUST,PEAT. 10.SEA FOODS.DETAILS FOLLOWS: i.Fish -Frozen/Chilled ii.Shrimp. iii.Black Tiger Farm Prawns. iv.Giant Tiger Prawns. v.Cattle fish. vi.Octopus. vii.Live Prawns. vii.Lobster (Live or Frozen) Processing and Packing can be arranged to suite your requirements.All shipments by Air and Carry Sri Lanka Government Health Certificate of Origin. 11.RICE AND DHAL (RED LENTILS ). 12.NARURAL RUBBER. 13.SUGER. 14.INTERNATIONAL BRAND NAME CIGARETTES. 15.INTERNATIONAL BRAND NAME BEER AND NON ALCOHOLIC BEER AND LIQUOR. 16.ALL INTERNATIONAL BRAND NAME PERFUMES. 17.CRUDE OIL,PETROLEUM BY - PRODUCTS. 18.MEAT PRODUCTS-CHICKEN/BEEF/PORK WE ARE THANKING YOU IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR EARLY ATTENTION IN THIS REGARD. BEST REGARDS, LIONES ENTERPRISES NO-30,SUNETHRADEVI ROAD,KOHUWALA, P.O.BOX-77 ,NUGEGODA, SRI LANKA. TEL :0094 1 823464 (5 Lines) FAX :0094 1 823464 E.MAIL:anali@slt.lk **************************** We are following brand name Cigarettese and Beer manufacturer's Agent. 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GENERAL TERMS AND CONDITION *************************** SHIPMENTS - 20' or 40' FCL'S ONLY. DELIVERY TIME :Received your L/c to our Bank arrange the shipment Further informations ******************** ATLANTIC NAVIGATIONS LINES (PVT) LTD NO-30,SUNETHRADEVI ROAD , KOHUWALA , NUGEGODA.COLOMBO. SRI LANKA. TEL: 0094-1-823464 (5 LINES) FAX: 0094-1-823464 E.Mail: anali(a)slt.lk

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Re: Triple DES "standard"?
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Reply-To: <rankney(a)erols.com> From: "Rich Ankney" <rankney(a)erols.com> To: <dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu>, "Digital Bearer Settlement List" <dbs(a)philodox.com>, "Robert Hettinga" <rah(a)shipwright.com> Subject: Re: Triple DES "standard"? Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:40:38 -0500 Sender: <dbs(a)philodox.com> List-Subscribe: <mailto:requests@philodox.com?subject=subscribe%20dbs> <snip> > Actually, as I recall the tale, the Amercian Bankers > Association-sponsored ANSI-accredited X.9 Committee's blessing of DES3 was > itself pretty interesting. > > I understood that the NSA lobbied bitterly against the X9 effort to > standardize 3DES as an ANSI standard, insisting that DES would surfice > until its successor was chosen. > > A couple years ago, when the X9 committee -- or maybe one of the X9 > crypto subcommittees -- rejected that advice and initially recommended that > 3DES be made a standard, I was told that the NSA rep angrily declared that > 3DES would _never_ get an export license and would never be shipped > overseas. (Which may have put a damper on the 3DES standardization > effort;-) > > Unfortunately, these standards development efforts usually escape > the media's attention. Anyone on the list active in X9 and can give us the > real story? > I was at the meeting. This was a meeting of (I think) X9F3, which is a working group in X9F, which has several working groups doing security. 3DES was being pushed really hard by the Fed. The vote was to get a sense of how much interest there was in a 3DES standard. (There is no requirement to have such a vote to work on something; the X9 rules require a new work item ballot sent to all X9 members.) The NO votes were, IIRC, from NSA (with the above quote, more or less), IRS, and IRE (a commercial outfit located in Baltimore). NIST abstained. I don't recall the official X9 vote, but it was along the same lines. The work was done in a different working group, X9F1, chaired by the legendary Blake Greenlee. The standard was published a few months ago. Again, the Fed pushed really hard on this; kudos to them. I'm sure Cindy Fuller of the X9 Secretariat (cfuller(a)aba.com) would have the official X9 ballot results if anyone is interested... > Since the birth of X9 in the late 70s, the US National Security > Agency has its own representative on the X9 Committee. As one might > expect, the NSA has traditionally had significant influence over the ANSI > "F" (crypto) subcommittees and cryptographic standards in financial > services. There was a time when Ft. Meade effectively dictated those > standards. Now, that is not necessarily so.... > > (After the NSA blundered so badly in trying to force the Banking > industry to switch from DES to CCEP/Clipper in the late 80s, the Agency's > mesmerizing control broken. The initial intro of CCEP/Clipper -- at an ABA > meeting -- proposed that only US owned institutions could have access to > Clipper. At the time, as I recall, maybe 10-15 percent of the US banks > were foreign owned;-) The bankers couldn't believe that these idiots -- > obviously so ignorant about the workings of the industry they were trying > to defacto regulate -- were from the NSA of Legend and Lore.) > I didn't start attending meetings till the early '90's, but I can certainly testify that Clipper/Fortezza were pushed really hard. In fact, X9F1 may still have open work items on some of this stuff (no work going on, but it needs a formal vote to remove it from the list). My major objection was the attempt to standardize on a particular *product*, which used classified algorithms, vs. standardizing on a public algorithm which could be implemented in H/W or S/W. So X9 ended up with: 3DES instead of Skipjack; DSA and RSA (and ECDSA real soon now) for signatures; and DH, RSA, and EC (real soon now) for key management. It's interesting that our DH standard seems to have reinvented much of the interesting stuff in KEA. Regards, Rich --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Re: CLT&G Update: 29 Dec 98
by Michael Motyka 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> Jefferson and Madison were fearful, as more Americans should >> be today, of allowing power to be concentrated in the central >> government. > >The entire point of a consitutional democracy is to avoid >centralization. > >A better way to word this is that we should be afraid of the federal >government becoming the central government. > The ENTIRE point? ONE of the points was to define and limit the extents of centralization. There is no cure for the chronic tendency of people in power to try and increase their scope. The repeated application of palliatives is the only way to deal with that social disease.

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