December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: dbts: Privacy Fetishes, Perfect Competition, and the (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:02:52 +0000 > From: "Frank O'Dwyer" <fod(a)brd.ie> > Subject: Re: dbts: Privacy Fetishes, Perfect Competition, and the (fwd) > Under an "anarcho-whatever" people are left to their own devices. And *that* is the primary failure of the entire theory. It's strongest point is sufficient to kill it. No, actualy, it's strongest point demands that it be killed. Very weak argument epistomologicaly, with little more to offer than didactic charms. The implication is that individuals are making societal policies with no checks and balances (failure 1). In effect, the only way an individual will be restrained is by some sort of natural community action (never mind that people don't voluntarily act that way, failure 2). There is no clear mechanism to arbitrate disagreements other than the above mechanism pretty much eschewing any sort of standard of behaviour which further fosters non-compliant behaviour (failure 3). There is no clear mechanism that protects property or civil rights since the very arbitration mechanism changes (and by implication the standards of ethics/morality it's held to) on a case by case basis mediated by the whim of chance on the compatibility of any two individuals personal views (failure 4). The arbitrary use of violence is at no point addressed (failure 5). One of the primary arguments for anarcho- based systems is to address corruption and unfair competition. Yet at no point does it sufficiently address the guidelines as to what those are let alone limits on their solutions (failure 6). So what we are left with is a system whereby people mediate their actions based on the compatibility of their personal philosophies. As I've said before, anarcho- based systems make the same phsychological mistake that every system other than a democracy makes; if it works for one person the answer should be acceptable to another. The very fact that the contrary to this is one of the reasons behind anarcho- support doesn't seem to impinge upon the concioussness. Anarchy is contradictory at the axiomatic level. Another way to see it is: Let people do what they want and they'll naturaly conform to what I want. There is this same axiomatic problem with Hayek's economics and social theories. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Rivest Patent
by Jim Gillogly 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Eric Cordian [mailto:emc@wire.insync.net] writes: >> So we can't use the rotate instruction with a data-dependent shift >> count in a block encryption algorithm without a license from Ron? "Harvey Rook (Exchange)" <hrook(a)exchange.microsoft.com> writes: > It's a little bit more complicated than that. RC-6, which also uses data > dependant rotations is patent free. It's a little bit more complicated than that. RC6 will be available without licensing charges to anybody if it's tapped as the official winner of the AES bakeoff. If it's not selected, then it's my understanding that RSADSI (Security Dynamics?) may choose to require payment for licensing -- I assume based on the RC5 patent. The current understanding is that AES candidates sign over their rights only if they are selected. Several candidates have been explicitly put into the public domain in advance of the selection process; RC6 is not one of these. Please correct me if it's more complicated than <this>. -- Jim Gillogly Trewesday, 23 Blotmath S.R. 1998, 23:38 12.19.5.12.6, 11 Cimi 19 Zac, Third Lord of Night

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Info Age Crime Terror and War
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Senator Kyl has issued a long report, "Crime, Terror & War: National Security and Public Safety in the Information Age," which recounts his Subcommittee's hearings and recommendations on encryption, Y2K, terrorism, info war, domestic preparedness, wiretap, and more: http://jya.com/ctw.htm (97K) It describes a plan to combat threats to critical infrastructure and the US homeland which, if implemented, would criminalize much held dear to a few of this list's subscribers; other lurkers will be overjoyed to read Kyl coming to the rescue of careers and budgets of MIB and their suppliers of technological of political control. He wants DoD to get cracking on domestic protection, move over piddling LEA. Civil liberties, nonsense. Crypto genie out of the bottle, more nonsense. Getting government access to encrypted communications, you bet. Through commercial products, yep. Thanks to FT for forwarding.

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dbts: Hettinga's Road Trip to London...
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- After much hemming and hawing about plane and hotel arrangements, the final confirmation from some conference organizers arrived this past Monday morning. And, yesterday, the State Department promised me a passport on my doorstep this coming Tuesday. So, it now looks like I'm going to London on next Saturday's redeye to speak at the Internet Trading for Global Securities Markets conference, Tuesday and Wednesday, November 24th and 25th at the Hilton Olympia. Because of some interesting economics of cheap hotel room-nights and dear airfare, I'll be staying at the Hilton Olympia itself, on Kensington High Street in London, from the morning of Sunday the 22nd to the morning of Thursday the 26th. This conference has been in the works for months, but we weren't really sure everything was going to happen until, as usual, the last possible minute. I bet a whole bunch of people registered right on the deadline, or something, and they decided they had enough interest to pull the trigger. Oh, well, after dodging those kinds of bullets myself getting the FC conferences and this summer's Philodox Symposium off the ground, I should have expected it from someone else in the same shoes. We all have Duncan Goldie-Scott to thank for this trip, of course. For the past few months, I've been writing a series of articles on digital bearer transaction settlement for the Financial Times Virtual Finance Report, which Duncan edits. I started with cash, and then bonds, and then equity. This month I did derivatives. I've got three more left to do, I figure; one on micromoney, the other two on the possible macro-, and micro-, economic inplications of digital bearer settlement, and maybe one more, on possible deployment strategy, if we get that far. Since I started these articles, I have gotten quite a few pieces of fan mail from Duncan's subscribers, and it has been quite fun. It also seems that some of those folks are going to be at this conference. In addition, after all the dust settled, Duncan himself was made chairman of the conference, so I expect he's going to have his hands full when I get there. As if that wasn't enough, Duncan has also arranged for me to talk privately to some traders he knows at an investment/merchant bank whose name you would recognize, and that should be quite interesting. Duncan says that they've been reading my articles, and they've got lots of questions to ask. So, Duncan, thanks so much for all your good efforts evangelizing digital bearer transaction settlement to your friends in the City. I'm positively psyched to unleash the word hoarde in the Old World, fire up the patented Hettinga rant machine on that side of the pond, and all that. God help you all. :-). So, if anybody wants to get ahold of me in London for a beer and a schmooze while I'm there, (especially if you know someone crazy enough to pay my extortionate personal appearance fee for some of my scarce free time ;-)), the Hilton Olympia's address is 380 Kensington High Street, London W14 8NL, and phone number's 0171 603 3333. You can, of course, email me as well, but, since this is my first trip to Europe, I expect that internet connections, power, etc., for my trusty PowerBook 540c will be interesting, if not, um, creative. So, it might be a good idea to contact Duncan <mailto: dgs(a)live.co.uk>, or at lest cc: him on your communications with me regarding this trip, or while I'm actually there, as he's going to be the Official Philodox "Bob-Handler" on this trip. :-). Here's hoping that I meet some of you in London week after next! Cheers, Bob Hettinga -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.5 iQEVAwUBNkxutcUCGwxmWcHhAQEqFQf+Nk+po/iJVHlQpVT3es/uokYkYb7T3nbv NbEyDIEJkT4z5Jsp0omGU36/QFgF7iHAu614ehRAY/lhu7l1/ghrJdFKzQR+3lHU UijWKYe3tyk15oBPhUI2e0G1K52MNSmDl9EL4GQ3hpbBCSOM4UO+4W1q3RYnucGA b3p54QXpYeoRefAhSNiEjRc7Vup+EY1i6vkCONekr4+c9UugQ1sbGuRvCzcivXRk g7o0lktxY1+sXaALEcSgB3sOnG0TJj/HPTpVcsjhw1SFKbxLPKJmytPJ8iR7MEi3 9JMk82Lr6AHTfokAQuLOsEMut8yfsjJ8glg2cxrys+Rbo1qGjHyL+g== =RRO6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Re: IP: ISPI Clips 6.28: Wiretapping Internet Phone Lines
by Michael Motyka 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This little phone looks nice with one gotcha: they left out encryption. Did they do this just to sell internationally and avoid the privacy issue altogether? Considering how the product is constructed, adding encryption would not be a major step. Mike *********************************************************************** Not all companies are complaining about CALEA. Aplio [ http://www.aplio.com/ ] CEO Olivier Zitoun believes his company's products fall into the FCC's definition of computer-to-computer IP telephony. Aplio sells boxes that can be plugged into normal touch-tone phones and used to call an Internet provider, which routes calls over the Net. "We are very different than other phone-to-phone devices or solutions," Zitoun said. "In a way, the discussion of IP-telephony regulation doesn't really apply to us."

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Duncan Frissell's "Blob" rides again...
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:56:02 -0800 To: rah(a)shipwright.com From: Somebody Subject: Guns on the net.. oooo guns on Ebay... this guy is such a dickhead. http://www.msnbc.com/news/214304.asp A simple search of offerings listed on the Web site on Nov. 11 and 12 revealed the following: two cases of hypodermic needles, five sets of Kevlar body armor, 33 AK-47 semi-automatic rifles, four lots of Talon flesh-shredding ammo, one box of contraband Cuban cigars, 11 lots of brass knuckles, 148 lots of federally banned switchblade knives, six UZI submachine guns, one Mas 49/56 sniper rifle, three night vision rifle scopes, one $3,500 pair of Leopard skin pants, a CDRom containing the text of The Anarchists Cookbook as well as instructions for how to build cable signal descramblers, how to obtain Microsoft software for free, and how to get college degrees for free, 27 lots of drug accessories and head-shop paraphernalia, and 1,217 lots of ivory items including a bag of elephant ivory dust. (Microsoft is a partner in MSNBC.) <Somebody's .sig> --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Fwd: Turtles and Rocks(s)
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== >Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 06:37:41 -0500 >From: Dan MacInnis <dan.louise(a)sympatico.ca> November 12th, 1998 the Toronto Board of Health announces they want to ban private owner ship of snakes, turtles, any and all exotic pets. Reaction of pet owners was immediate. In this city of just under 3 Million people, most said they would not abide by the law and hide their beloved pets. Where is Allan Rock when they need him? Allan is a resident of Toronto, surely he will leap to their aid and criminalize the ownership of turtles? Surely he knows Aunt Annie well enough to ask her to do it for him? [NOTE by the forwarder: the following paragraphs are a parody of bill C-68, the new firearms control bill. jfa.] But first, let's licence them. Register each, and the owners licenced. Then, we will know where these dangerous critters are, just in case later someone decides to hide a few. Where to put the sticker with the unique number will pose a problem. Later, we can ban them with impunity. The police can use the full force of the Criminal Code to enter and search for turtles and spiders at will. OK, Saskatchewan, this is your time to line up at the trough for jobs as Mirimachi did. We will need a registry office, with 300 employee's, high tech and trained bilingual people. Quebec does not need it, they are getting the RCMP training jobs. Hey, wait, maybe PEI wants it? ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== Ciao jfa Jean-Francois Avon, B.Sc. Physics, Montreal, Canada DePompadour, Société d'Importation Ltée Limoges fine porcelain and french crystal JFA Technologies, R&D physicists & engineers Instrumentation & control, LabView programming PGP keys: http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html PGP ID:0xC58ADD0D:529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 PGP ID:0x5B51964D:152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C PGP ID:0x6CBA71F7:485888E9FD68415A2945 ACCB366D38486CBA71F7

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national ID cards in the US...
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi! I received that today. Maybe it can interest some of you. ========== excerpt ============ I Am Not a Number! Policy Spotlight on National ID Cards -------------------------------------------------------- http://www.free-market.net/features/spotlight/9811.html While most of us weren't looking, the U.S. Congress passed two bills that effectively authorize national ID cards. One was a law to reform health insurance that included a provision for a "Unique Patient Identifier." The other was an immigration law that required all U.S. states to include Social Security numbers on drivers' licenses. [snip] ========= end of excerpt ============ Ciao jfa "Cryptography is like literacy in the Dark Ages. Infinitely potent, for good and ill... yet basically an intellectual construct, an idea, which by its nature will resist efforts to restrict it to bureaucrats and others who deem only themselves worthy of such Privilege." _ A thinking man's Creed for Crypto/ vbm.

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SIGH... NOT!! THC tainted oranges
by cypherpu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just spoke by phone with john(author of the article in question) at the sfbay guardian The article was distributed without the satire labeling that was present at the website... The article is Satire :( duped and disappointed :(

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