December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Howdy neighbor! Can I borrow an egg, some sugar, and a SCSI cable?
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:32:14 -0500 To: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Subject: Howdy neighbor! Can I borrow an egg, some sugar, and a SCSI cable? Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:36:36 -0500 From: glen mccready <glen(a)qnx.com> Resent-From: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Resent-Sender: 0xdeadbeef-request(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Forwarded-by: Nev Dull <nev(a)bostic.com> Forwarded-by: "Kevin D. Clark" <kclark(a)cabletron.com> Source: http://online.guardian.co.uk/theweb/911396071-geekville.html Leander Kahney inspects a des. res. for hackers House fit for a mouse TO RENT: apartment; sleeps 2.8 computers; unique address (on the Web); Linux in all rooms; only geeks need apply. This isn't quite how Walden Internet Village advertises itself but it is how the complex sees itself: 'run by geeks for geeks'. The 12-building complex in Houston, Texas, boasts pleasant decor and beautiful landscaped gardens but for the tenants it is trying to attract the most important feature will be the way it is wired for the future, offering the kind of high-speed Internet access enjoyed only by big companies and universities. "It's a community for hackers," says Alan LeFort, marketing director and network administrator. "It's not easy to find a place where your neighbours are Perl programmers or Linux freaks." Every apartment has a 10 Megabit per second pipe to the Internet -- a connection about 175 times faster than the standard 56k modem. It also has assigned its own unique Web address, so residents can run their own Web sites from inside their apartments. "We don't care what they run as long as its not a porn site," LeFort said. All apartments also have wiring built into the walls for their own little home network. "The average resident has 2.8 machines," LeFort says. "They like to connect them together." The complex also offers several big computers on an internal network, one dedicated to the game Quake and another for storing the GNU/Linux software favoured by most tenants. The few running Windows NT will have to be "educated", LeFort said. At first sight, Texas with its cowboy image, might seem an unlikely place for a geek community. But Houston is home to Nasa's Johnson Space Center, Compaq, and a major axis for the engineering, medical, and, of course, the oil and energy industries. Already geeks have snapped up about half the 200 apartments. The company hopes to fill the rest with geeks as non-hackers' leases expire. Rents range from $675 (L409) per month for a one-bedroom flat to $1,400 a month for a three-bedroom, two-bathroom home. The complex boasts an active social life. Every fortnight is party night when up to 50 people turn up with their computers and hook them into a fast Local Area Network for playing games. Walden is a pilot project. The company owns five other complexes in Houston and is considering re-wiring three of them for hackers. Visit Walden Internet Villages at http://www.waldenweb.com and two of the complex's game sites at http://www.gamerscircle.com, http://www.quake2.com 18 November 1998 --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Comrade Klinton at it again
by HyperReal-Anon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Don't you mean "Iraqui" Embassy? > >Or is this thing spreading? I hope not. > >Comrade Klinton is no worse than Comrades Hyde, Ingliss, Gingrich, >Coble, Bono, well you know the rest. They all call themselves statesmen >but they are pretty damned pedestrian. An NBC reporter in Baghdad reported that the Iranian embassy was hit by a Tomahawk, but I've had the news off since then and haven't heard anything else about it. The Klinton White House won't come out and admit that they missed, just like they won't admit that a Tomahawk landed in someone's house last night (again according to NBC). You are wrong, though. Comrade Klinton is worse than Comrade Hyde and the rest. The loyal card-carrying Party members in congress are limited in power because the majority of them have to agree on an issue. Comrade Klinton can do virtually whatever he wants with the military under the War Powers Act and doesn't have to answer for it until it's all over. As I recall, the name "Desert Fox" was a nickname held by a Nazi general. Fitting, that.

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Encryption Chip (details)
by Vortexia 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sorry to follow up my own post, but it was brought to my attention that there are a number of encryption chips available and I would need to be more specific to get any specific information. I am looking for a chip that can do DES, Triple DES and/or Blowfish for the purpose of secure communications. We want an IC instead of software because of the volume of information that will have to be processed in this project. If anyone has any information please drop me an email Thanks Andrew Alston

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RE: "They've started bombing Mars! I repeat, they're bombing Mars!"
by Harvey Rook (Exchange) 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The scene from Babylon 5 is hardly original. The same thing happened in Vietnam, The Korean War, WW2, WW1.... This is war, and in war innocent people die to further the cause of the leaders. You just have to hope and pray that some good will come out of it. Harv. > -----Original Message----- > From: Anonymous [mailto:nobody@remailer.ch] > > "We just intercepted a coded transmission from Earth Force > Command. They've > started bombing Mars! I repeat, they're bombing Mars!" > > (scene of two fighters on approach to a biodome) > > Omega One: "Standing by. Weapons hot." > Radio: "Don't do it! We have women and children down here! > Don't do it!" > Radio2: "Omega One, you are clear for drop." > > (weapons fly, killing a few thousand innocent men, women, and > children.) > > It amazes me how much similarity Babylon 5 has to reality. Is > Clinton a fan > who fancies himself as President Clark? I'm starting to worry. >

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Re: Comrade Klinton at it again
by Jim Gillogly 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Somebody said: > As I recall, the name "Desert Fox" was a nickname held by a Nazi general. > Fitting, that. Fitting? I find the occasional anti-American hyperbole around here rather depressing. I'm reminded of 30-year-old engineers talking about the depression of the 80's! If you don't see the difference between the US and Nazi Germany, you need to do a lot more reading. While the anti-privacy activities of the administration and law enforcement are threatening and need to be resisted, they are by no means on a par with the excesses of the Nazi leadership. In any case, Gen. Erwin Rommel (the Desert Fox) was never a Nazi. -- Jim Gillogly Trewesday, 28 Foreyule S.R. 1998, 02:48 12.19.5.14.0, 6 Ahau 13 Mac, First Lord of Night

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[CTRL] Y2K Fear May Trigger Early Panic
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Lyn McCloskey <MCCLOSL(a)TOWERS.COM> Subject: [CTRL] Y2K Fear May Trigger Early Panic Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:50:58 -0500 To: CTRL(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM -Caveat Lector- Technology Headlines Monday December 14 10:18 AM ET Fear Of Year 2000 Computer Bug May Trigger Early Panic By Neil Winton, Science and Technology Correspondent LONDON (Reuters) - Even if the ``millennium bomb'' does not explode in the world's computers just over a year from now, 1999 is likely to see rising panic as people take precautions against computer failure triggered by the year 2000. Experts say the most vulnerable countries include Japan, France, Russia and Brazil and the most vulnerable sectors are utilities, especially power generation. ``Next year we will see periods of calm broken by occasional news stories predicting computer systems failures,'' said Ross Anderson of Cambridge University's Computer Security Research Center. ``My own feeling is that around August or September panic will start, with hoarding of food and bank notes. Then the whole thing becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.'' The time bomb has trivial origins. In the early days of computing, programs saved what was then precious space by abbreviating years to the last two digits. They knew this could cause problems at the turn of the century because computers would read ``00'' as ``1900'' rather than ``2000'' and crash or spew out flawed data. But they thought these programs would be history by then as technology raced ahead. They were wrong. Now the fear is that old data systems carrying the millennium bomb or bug could trigger disasters around the world in everything from defense, transport and telecommunications to energy and financial services. As 1999 progresses, early trigger dates are likely to provide sneak previews of the chaos that may hit as clocks strike midnight on Dec. 31. The first is Jan. 1, 1999. Programs used in some accounting systems operate a rolling year ahead as they set renewal dates for insurance premiums or bank loans and may crash when they reach out beyond Jan. 1, 2000. Margaret Joachim, Year 2000 coordinator at data processing services company Electronic Data Systems Corp. (NYSE:EDS - news), says there are other dates next year that might trigger computer failure. ``April 9, 1999, the 99th day of the year, and Sept. 9, 1999, which might be recorded as 9-9-99. This is because programmers often used nines as a cutoff for a program. A row of nines meant 'don't do this anymore,''' Joachim said. The world is in differing states of readiness. Information technology consultancy Gartner Group says the United States is best prepared, followed by Canada, Australia, South Africa, Israel and Britain. At the bottom of the list is Brazil, the world's eighth largest economy and a big producer of industrial components, commodities and grains. Brazil is unlikely to be able to confine problems within its borders, according to a recent report by Edward Yardeni, chief economist for Deutsche Morgan Grenfell in New York. Japan's lack of action is also causing concern. The Japanese government said last month that important industries like finance, transport, energy, telecommunications and medicine were lagging in year 2000 preparation. Hong Kong's government has said 80 percent of its critical computer systems were ready for 2000 as of Sept. 30, 1998, but it is worried about small and medium-sized businesses. India does not expect much damage because of its small number of computers -- only around 2.3 million in a nation of about 950 million. But India's ``brain trust'' of software makers have bagged orders worth $1.5 billion to fix year 2000 problems around the world, said Dewang Mehta, executive director of the National Association of Software and Service Companies. In China, authorities have decreed that all government computer systems must be fixed by March and tests completed by September 1999. Cambridge University's Anderson said France was most at risk in Western Europe, with computer failures most likely in the public sector and especially public utilities. Any problems could quickly become a problem for neighbors such as Britain, which receives electric power from France. ``There is still quite a question mark over whether France sees the scale of the problem,'' said Chris Webster, head of year 2000 services at Cap Gemini. ``There's a real chance that there may be some loss of service from utilities. Who, when, where or why? Impossible to say. Will it be a complete loss of power, voltage fluctuations? And there is a remarkable lack of information from utilities as to what they are expecting to happen.'' JP Morgan's Year 2000 expert Patrick Ward says Eastern Europe's and Russia's utilities are a big concern, not least because Russia provides 40 percent of Germany's power. If some systems crashes are triggered early by the arrival of Jan. 1, 1999, it might be a blessing in disguise. ``This will involve accounting, planning and budgeting systems rather than operational executing systems, which carry out day-to-day business. It will give you some experience in spotting the errors and knowing how to deal with them,'' Webster said. But Anderson is taking no chances: ``Personally, I plan to have three months' food, a working well, three tons of calor (heating) gas and 400 liters of diesel come the dreadful day.'' DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. 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[CTRL] The Siege: PsyOps Movie Prepares U.S. for Martial Law
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: RoadsEnd(a)AOL.COM Subject: [CTRL] The Siege: PsyOps Movie Prepares U.S. for Martial Law Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 13:06:29 EST To: CTRL(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM -Caveat Lector- from: http://www.zolatimes.com/V2.42/pageone.html <A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V2.42/pageone.html">Laissez Faire City Times - Volume 2 Issue 42</A> The Laissez Faire City Times December 14, 1998 - Volume 2, Issue 42 Editor & Chief: Emile Zola ----- The Siege: PsyOps Movie Prepares U.S. for Martial Law by Uri Dowbenko The Siege is a slick commercial for the American Police State. Starting with actual newsclips intermixed with movie footage, a radical fundamentalist Muslim cleric is taken hostage. President Clinton -- out of context -- says "I am outraged by it," a speech he made after the Oklahoma City Bombing. Then he says, "Those who did it must not be allowed to go unpunished." That was the stump speech for his so-called Anti-Terrorism Bill, which didn't have a chance of passing before the Bombing. The mix of "real" newsclips intercut with movie footage -- a muezzin's calls to prayer and subsequent scenes of slaughter in the desert -- makes an unsubtle direct correlation between Muslims and terrorism. Cut to Manhattan. FBI man Anthony Hubbard (Denzel Washington) has to deal with a hostage crisis and a bus bomb which turns out to be a ruse. His partner is Lebanese, an Arab-American named Frank Haddad (Tony Shalhoub) who is gung-ho and acts as a translator -- until they grab his kid and put him in the New York Concentration Camp. Understandably that sours him on the FBI. Soon enough there's interagency rivalry with CIA woman Elise Kraft (Annette Bening). She tells the FBI man that "we're on the same team," but they both know it's a lie. He tells her "CIA has no charter to operate domestically." Yuck yuck -- as if that ever kept the CIA from engaging in criminal activities on US soil. The subtext of the movie, grounded in real-life history, is that CIA financed and trained indigenous "rebel" movements around the world, then unceremoniously betrayed them when US policy changed. The betrayed CIA "terrorists" then typically returned to US soil becoming pawns in elaborate spy agency games, which most recently resulted in the New York World Trade Center Bombing and the Oklahoma City Bombing. Later, in a flash of realization about her own culpability, the CIA woman says to Samir (Sami Bouajila), one of the suspected "terrorists": "Don't tell me we financed your operation?" He smiles disbelievingly at her naivete. Disinformation rules in The Siege. Here are the most obvious propaganda factoids. 1. Demonizing the Militia. Continuing the mainstream-media propaganda, Denzel Washington asks his fellow feds in the FBI office, "You think it's militia?" "Not their style," they answer, as if most militas were capable of "terrorism" without the active participation by undercover CIA, FBI, or BATF agent provocateurs. 2. Demonizing the Internet. "Everybody on the Internet knows explosives," says Washington, spreading the lie about how the Internet is a tool of subversion and therefore must be controlled. Department of Justice has lobbied long and hard for anti-internet, anti-cryptography legislation. 3. Demonizing Cash. "Where does a guy like you come up with ten thousand dollars?" the FBI man berates the Arab suspect, implying that cash anywhere is immediately suspect. According to US State Propaganda, only "terrorists" or "money launderers" use cash. This reinforces the suspicion in moviegoers' minds that only "criminals" would have any concerns about privacy. General Devereaux (Bruce Willis) takes over when a state of emergency and martial law is declared in Manhattan. There's a couple of throwaway lines -- complete with requisite handwringing -- about Posse Comitatus -- the law which mandates that US troops can not be used against US citizens -- and how President Lincoln suspended habeus corpus, an unchallenged precedent for martial law. Willis says "We can't go in until the president invokes the War Powers Act." Does that mean the country is still operating under war and emergency powers? Dr. Eugene Schroeder's controversial book Constitution: Fact or Fiction (Buffalo Creek Press, PO BOx 2424, Cleburne, Texas 76033) explains this provocative thesis. He says that the reason why the US has gone downhill, becoming in essence an unconstitutional dictatorship, is because "since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared National Emergency," according to Senate Report 93-549. The Siege is really a turf war -- not between gangs -- but between Feds. It's FBI vs. CIA vs. National Security Council vs. America. The civil rights context -- Is martial law justified? Under what circumstances? -- is merely window dressing for the real question -- How will the Feds split up the country? The movie shows that escalating acts of "terrorism" in America are eerily similar to the Reichstag Fire in pre-WWII Germany, a rationale for a totalitarian-state power grab. In America, it would simply be the pretext for dispensing with that pesky US Constitution altogether. Willis finally says, "I am declaring a state of martial law." US soldiers invade Brooklyn. Lines of camo-clad grunts march across the Brooklyn Bridge, while Humvees patrol Wall Street. After capturing an Arab suspect, Willis says, "The time has come for one man to suffer to save hundreds." That's his rationale for torture. The FBI man says, "Bend the law. Shred the Constitution. If we torture him, everything we fought for is over," implying speciously that the "terrorists" will win. As if... as if New York Police brutality has never been committed. As if CIA atrocities were never done. As if FBI criminal behavior was never covered up. Reinforcing the bogus cover story of a "truck bomb" blowing up the Oklahoma City Federal Building, there's -- you guessed it -- a truck bomb in The Siege which destroys One Federal Plaza in New York. David Hoffman's indispensable book The Oklahoma City Bombing and the Politics of Terror (Feral House, 2532 Lincoln Blvd., Suite 359, Venice, CA 90291, 800-788-6246; $18.95) demolishes this fraudulent theory and dissects the elements of another US Government covert ops gone bad. In his ground-breaking 509-page book, Hoffman describes the the stewpot of CIA, FBI, BATF, Neo-Nazi, Arab, Israeli, and German intelligence operatives, as well as the US Government's ludicrous "Single Bomb Theory." Like Arlen Spector's infamous "Single Bullet Theory" about the bullet which made a U-Turn inside President Kennedy's body, this "fertilizer bomb theory" is just as dopey. Fertilizer - - as in BS -- is the theory's primary ingredient. Director Ed Zwick specializes in making Establishment-propaganda movies. Glory was about African-Americans brainwashed to fight the Civil War. Courage Under Fire was about all kinds of Americans brainwashed to fight in the Gulf War. Denzel Washington's a veteran; he's been in both movies. In The Siege, Zwick cranks up the xenophobia. Despite its pretensions as a politically-correct parable for "tolerance," The Siege demonizes both Arabs and Muslims. Zwick and film producer Lynda Obst have made a movie which is state-of- the-art PsyOps for the masses. Psychological Operations (PsyOps) is a military term for non-lethal warfare. It's just masquerading as "entertainment." -30- from The Laissez Faire City Times, Vol. 2, No. 42, Dec. 14, 1998 ----- The Laissez Faire City Times is a private newspaper. Although it is published by a corporation domiciled within the sovereign domain of Laissez Faire City, it is not an "official organ" of the city or its founding trust. Just as the New York Times is unaffiliated with the city of New York, the City Times is only one of what may be several news publications located in, or domiciled at, Laissez Faire City proper. For information about LFC, please contact CityClerk(a)LFCity.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Published by Laissez Faire City Netcasting Group, Inc. Copyright 1998 - Trademark Registered with LFC Public Registrar All Rights Reserved ----- Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ======================================================================== To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] LISTSERV(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] LISTSERV(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM Om

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[CTRL] Polygamous Paradise!
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Lyn McCloskey <MCCLOSL(a)TOWERS.COM> Subject: [CTRL] Polygamous Paradise! Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:35:12 -0500 To: CTRL(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM -Caveat Lector- Take a number... http://www.tabloid.net/1998/12/09/island_981209.html NEW UTOPIA RISES FROM THE SEA Prince Lazarus Promises to Save Citizens from Death, Taxes MATT WELCH reports [Dec. 9, 1998] -- Don't worry, people: Despite delays caused by Hurricane Mitch, New Utopia will still rise from the waters of the sea in time to beat the millennial apocalypse. Lazarus Long, a wealthy 67-year-old Oklahoman whose name was Howard Turney until three years ago, says his longtime dream of constructing a libertarian island paradise on top of three shallow Caribbean reefs has been only slightly postponed by the hurricane's effects on New Utopia's neighbors. "We were in the process of negotiating a trade treaty with the Honduran government officials," New Utopia Information Officer Grace Caswell wrote on the island's website. "Prince Lazarus had gone to Washington to meet with the Honduran ambassador to the U.S. He, in turn, was to present it to President Flores on November 1st. That is the day that the hurricane 'Mitch' struck their country." "Honduras claims a 200-mile exclusive economic zone, so without recognition of New Utopia as a sovereign nation we can't begin construction without risk of being annexed by Honduras at some future date." If it sounds like these people are talking about building their own country on a fake island in the sea -- well, that's because they are. Once an agreement with Honduras is reached, the founders say, the reefs will be fitted with steel girders and gigantic platforms of pre-fabricated concrete. Construction of air and sea ports will commence, followed by housing, a university, an anti-aging clinic, offshore banks and a casino. Citizens will live in a tax-free constitutional monarchy not too far off the coasts of Mexico and Honduras. Marijuana will be legal and polygamy tolerated. The Ageless Sovereign His Royal Highness Prince Lazarus Long wants it known that he is not joking. As Howard Turney, he had a long and successful career as a maverick businessman after initial stints as a cowboy and soldier. He was in the restaurant biz, marketed groceries, farmed shrimp and sold used generators, before having his life changed by the human growth hormone, London's Independent reported. In 1990, at the age of 59, Turney was a badly aging mess, with a 44-inch waist and shaky hands, the paper reported. After reading a report about the magic of the then-illegal human growth hormone, Long got a connection in Monterey, Mexico and began mainlining the stuff. Now, without exercising seriously, he's lost the shakes, has rock-hard muscles and a 32-inch waist, the paper said. "I'm 66 going on 40," he told the Independent. "And I've not had any negative side effects at all." Moved, Turney founded a network of anti-aging clinics administering the wonder drug, and made a bundle. It was then that he really began identifying with one of the signature heroes of the novels of libertarian sci-fi scribbler Robert A. Heinlein -- Lazarus Long. In "Methuselah's Children," and especially "Time Enough for Love," Heinlein's Long holds forth as an ageless man of wisdom and sex, hurtling through the centuries with fabulous naked babes on his arm, and dispensing philosophical tidbits with wit and humor. At age 64, Howard Turney became Lazarus Long; soon after he declared himself prince of the New Utopia. As a dispenser of his own wisdom, Long echoes many modern-day followers of objectivist Ayn Rand when they try to talk about foreign affairs: "The United States used to prosper because it was relatively free in an unfree world," he writes on the website. "Now, without changing much itself, the U.S. is relatively unfree in a much freer world. This creates a competitive condition, which tends to favor an enclave like Hong Kong, which practices true free market capitalism, rather than a welfare state like the U.S., which is committed to burdensome taxes, which penalize success." Long tries his hand at a sort of poetry: "Excellence can be attained if you care more than others think is wise Risk more than others think is safe Dream more than others think is practical Expect more than others think is possible." A Tropical Venice New Utopia already has a constitution, a board of governors and more than 500 citizens, the website says. Prospective residents need only to buy a $1,500 five-year bond, payable at 9.5% compound annual interest. The projected price tag on creating an island where there is now only water is $216 billion, which will be financed by Long, citizens, prospective businesses and old-fashioned real estate developers. Offshore finance, tourism, medicine and education are targeted as the main sectors of New Utopia's economy, and Long plans on building a stimulating environment for the super-citizens. Utopians will enjoy "classical architecture, immaculate public parks, a comparable governing body, and a stable political structure, with the same freedom from crime and taxation," the site says. "Resident citizens and visitors will experience it more as a tropical 'Venice,' complete with waterways and gondolas." Free from messy bureaucracy like property taxes, welfare rolls and industry regulation, residents will serve as guinea pigs for the newest drugs and surgical techniques. "There are things on the horizon that people today can only dream about," Long told the Independent. "We are not that far from being able to live multiples of what we look at now as the maximum lifespan. ... [There are] things I can't tell you about because they were told me in confidence. ... Tests and studies are going on. ... Turn your tape recorder off." For now, New Utopia planners will continue processing immigration requests from their office in East Tulsa, Oklahoma. The first concrete platform is now scheduled for January, though the date has now been pushed back at least six different times. And the pesky Hondurans, currently distracted by the brutal wreckage of Hurricane Mitch, still need to recognize New Utopia's sovereignty. Still, "We are steadfast in our date of December 1, 1999 as the celebration of our birth as a nation. Even if all the desired infrastructure is not in place, it will be in the construction phase, the airport will be finished and the government will be in office." ----------------- Get in line at the official website: http://www.new-utopia.com/ DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ======================================================================== To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] LISTSERV(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] LISTSERV(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM Om

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[CTRL] Fwd: DNA Sample with Every Arrest
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: RoadsEnd(a)AOL.COM Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: DNA Sample with Every Arrest Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:51:31 EST To: CTRL(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM -Caveat Lector- This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_913783891_boundary Content-ID: <0_913783891(a)inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_913783891_boundary Content-ID: <0_913783891(a)inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: DasGOAT(a)aol.com Return-path: <DasGOAT(a)aol.com> To: RoadsEnd(a)aol.com Cc: Robalini(a)aol.com, nessie(a)sfbg.com Subject: DNA Sample with Every Arrest Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:57:15 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit "Michael Meyers of the New York Civil Rights Coalition said citizens nationwide are experiencing a crackdown on civil rights. ``I think this is the official ushering in of a George Orwellian society. We will all be suspects in a matter of years.'' . NYC Wants DNA in All Arrests NEW YORK (AP) -- Angering civil libertarians who fear ``1984''-style tactics, Police Commissioner Howard Safir is suggesting that police take a DNA sample along with the fingerprints of everyone arrested. ``The innocent have nothing to fear,'' Safir said Monday. ``Only if you are guilty should you worry about DNA testing.'' But civil rights leaders said even the innocent should worry about the plan, which some contend amounts to an unreasonable search and seizure in violation of the Fourth Amendment. The proposal would need approval from the state Legislature to become reality. ``I think this is the official ushering in of a George Orwellian society in New York City,'' said Michael Meyers, executive director of the New York Civil Rights Coalition. Mayor Rudolph Giuliani's administration has come under fire recently for cutting City Hall off from virtually all public access and for installing more security cameras to monitor streets. Norman Siegel, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, said the DNA proposal is the latest effort by the Giuliani administration to erode civil rights. ``If someone wants to march and doesn't have a permit, or if someone goes to the steps of City Hall to read a proclamation, he or she will get arrested,'' Siegel said. ``Under Safir's DNA proposal, the government will obtain their DNA, and that's a frightening prospect. Why should the government have that information on that individual?'' Giuliani called opponents of the plan captives of ``old left-wing thinking.'' ``The taking of DNA evidence -- from the point of view of anyone but the most excessive knee-jerk ideologues -- is a very, very helpful thing, it's a good thing,'' he said. ``DNA can help prove who actually committed violent crime; it can help prove paternity.'' Under Safir's plan, which he described Monday to students at the Bronx High School of Science, police would take a swabbing from inside a suspect's cheek -- a standard method of collecting DNA -- and put test results into a database for future reference against repeat offenders. DNA, the unique genetic blueprint of each person, is considered by legal and forensics experts to be as reliable as fingerprints and far more useful in identifying culprits of certain crimes. Safir said a suspect's DNA sample would be destroyed if he were acquitted or cleared. Many states allow DNA testing of certain convicts, New York among them. Only in Louisiana does the testing apply to people under arrest. Meyers said citizens nationwide are experiencing a crackdown on civil rights. ``We will all be suspects in a matter of years,'' he said. --part0_913783891_boundary-- DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ======================================================================== To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] LISTSERV(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] LISTSERV(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM Om

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