December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Fwd: I don't care if this is real or not! But forwarding is not hard for me if I help
by Chiu Ngan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Hello
by HyperReal-Anon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by bluesky17＠mailexcite.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Voices
by AIMSX＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I read that book

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Christopher Barkley
by sixdegrees 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Just a quick update from sixdegrees(tm). Unfortunately Christopher Barkley (barkley(a)cirr.com) asked not to be listed as your contact with sixdegrees. The good news is that since you have other confirmed contacts, you'll still be able to have a productive sixdegrees experience. But, if you want to continue to increase your networking power, you may want to head over to http://www.sixdegrees.com , log-in and go to MY CONTACTS and list additional contacts. ==================================================================== PLEASE NOTE: All replies to this address are processed by a computer. If you have any problems, questions or requests send an e-mail to issues(a)sixdegrees.com and someone will get back to you as soon as possible. ==================================================================== E.DB.BRESP.2

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Regards
by Christopher Barkley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Apparently, I just spammed your list a couple of days ago; my apologies. Some zithead listed your email address in the Six Degrees networking service and starting asking people to be his contacts. One can only hope his fate is neither swift nor pretty. (I bear some of the blame; I should have recognized the email address since I have several friends on the list.) At any rate, my thanks to Tom Perry for his polite explanation of the situation. As for the REST of you who responded, you have my sympathies. With any luck, they'll get that thorazine prescription refilled soon. Cheerio, Christopher

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FWD: Clinton administration will ease grip on crypto exports
by anon＠zd.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This message was forwarded to you from ZDNet (http://www.zdnet.com) by anon(a)zd.com. Comment from sender: The dance of the seven regs continues..... --------------------------------------------------------------------- This article is from ZDNN (http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/) Visit this page on the Web at: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/zdnn_smgraph_display/0,4436,2138029,00.ht… --------------------------------------------------------------------- [IMAGE] By Will Rodger, Inter@ctive Week Online September 15, 1998 5:39 PM PT The Clinton Administration is expected to relax export controls on data scrambling equipment Wednesday, preparing the ground for yet another round of debate over current encryption policy. According to Administration sources, the White House will loosen its grip on the technology in several areas central to the five-year argument over the issue. Among other things, the new policy will relax controls for sales to specific industries, including e-commerce, medicine and insurance The liberalization will fall far short of what Administration critics wanted. Even so, many crypto advocates expressed hope their position will continue to gain ground. "It's not as far along as my bill would go, but it's a significant improvement on our current policy," said Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-Calif., a sponsor of encryption liberalization legislation in the House and one of several key Democrats briefed on the issue on the last two days. "It will still give us something to argue about next year." [TABLE NOT SHOWN] Electronic encryption, or the process of scrambling information so that only its intended recipient can read it, is widely believed to be the sine qua non of secure commerce and personal information on an insecure Internet. To date, however, Federal policy has required stringent licensing of encryption technology that uses digital codes, or "keys," longer than 40 bits in length. Law enforcement has insisted on that restriction so that the encoding technology cannot be used to thwart surveillance techniques used in investigations. Current exceptions will expand Under an exception granted in December 1996, however, the government has allowed exports of equipment whose keys are as long as 56 bits, or roughly 64,000 times more powerful than 40-bit products. That exception was granted companies that committed to develop technologies to give law enforcement "lawful access" to messages encrypted with their products through various back doors built into them. Notably free from those restrictions have been foreign financial institutions, which in most cases have been able to buy U.S.-made encryption software of unlimited strength since last year. That exception will be broadened under the new policy, sources said. Now, insurance companies, handlers of medical records and companies that use specialized transaction software to do business over the Internet will be able to buy American encryption software after a one-time review of their purchase plans by the U.S. Commerce Department. In addition, administration sources confirmed Tuesday evening, the government will no longer require prior approval of "key recovery" agents, who hold spare keys to encoded messages for law enforcement. Some 45 nations, including Russia, China, Venezuela and Mexico, will likely be ineligible for the relief control as long as the U.S. government believes they harbor money-laundering operations, however. Finally, administration sources said, any U.S. company will be able to export powerful encryption technology to its own subsidiaries as long as it does not share the technology with non-US companies. Playing catch-up As before, public interest groups said they believe the new policy does not go far enough. Since Vice President Al Gore promised relief for medical records, e-commerce and financial institutions some two years ago, critics said the policy is more a belated catch-up than anything truly new. "It's a divide and conquer strategy," said David Banisar, policy counsel with the Electronic Privacy Information Center. "This will help a few large users, but the average consumer is out in the cold." Wednesday's announcement is only the latest step in a years-long journey from complete control to liberalization. Though the FBI and others within the national security apparatus have insisted on tight controls, information technology companies and public interest groups have fought them bitterly, insisting a flood of foreign products will soon take over a world market which was once almost exclusively America's. As foreign producers have mounted - more than 500 foreign products are now stronger than what can usually be exported from the US - that pressure has increased. Technology marches on The steady march of computer technology, too, has rendered once-secure products obsolete; the Electronic Frontier Foundation, for instance, unveiled a computer last June which can crack messages encrypted with 56-bit keys in hours. Until recently, the FBI had claimed such messages could be cracked only in a matter of months, if not years. Dan Scheinman, vice president for legal and government affairs at Internet hardware producer Cisco Systems Inc., said the latest proposal wasn't his company had hoped for. Even so, "Anything that provides broader relief is a step in the right direction," he said. In the administration's defense Meanwhile, the administration has its defenders. Stewart Baker, former counsel to the super-secret, encryption-controlling National Security Agency and an attorney who negotiates export agreements for industry, called on critics to give the administration more credit. "I think this is a significant walking away from an emphasis on law-enforcement access," he said. "What this says is if there's a market for security, we ought to think about liberalizing. It's a big step and it foreshadows more." --------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright (c) 1998 ZDNet. All rights reserved. Reproduction in whole or in part in any form or medium without express written permission of ZDNet is prohibited. ZDNet and the ZDNet logo are trademarks of Ziff-Davis Inc.

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Re: Voices
by AIMSX＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

All Creatures Great and Small - that one... =) I also read an Aasimov a while back in fifth grade - unfortunately, I can't remember even the name... I need to pick some of his books up again... One book I can remember reading since 5th grade (and every summer thereafter) is "IT" by Stephen King - one of his few really good books. I have read it 8 times since. I greatly recommend it =)

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Re: Voices (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:46:59 EDT > To: edsmith(a)IntNet.net > Subject: Re: Voices > I also read an Aasimov a while back in fifth grade - unfortunately, I can't > remember even the name... I need to pick some of his books up again... > One book I can remember reading since 5th grade (and every summer thereafter) > is "IT" by Stephen King - one of his few really good books. I have read it 8 > times since. > I greatly recommend it =) Stephen King is no horror writer, he's a pussy wanna be. If you want a really good author then check out Poppy Z. Brite. Lost Souls (read this one first) Drawing Blood Exquisite Corpse (if you've ever wondered if you were the least bit homophobic, when you finish this one you'll know) You'll either read about 2-3 pages and quit in utter refulsion and disgust or else you'll be hooked. Sombody else to try is: Grave markings Michael A. Arnzen Ann Rice? Give me a break... ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Democracy...
by Richard.Bragg＠ssa.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

mmotyka(a)lsil.com on 16/09/98 00:48:25 Please respond to mmotyka(a)lsil.com To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com cc: Subject: Re: Democracy... >Vivek Vaidya wrote: > Ever heard of seperation of church and state? Democracy? the rights of > the individual? While you certainly have the right to practice your > religion in what ever manner you so choose demanding that everyone > else > does, or that the president of the us of ais subject to you PERSONAL > faith decisions is outragous > > Vivek Vaidya > But whoever said I'm in the US? Where did I make any such demand? However, if you believe in something to be life changing and beneficial to both the idividual and society you'll want or be compelled to "pass it on". I can't and do not wish to force any one to any point of view, that's pointless. What I wanted to illustrate is that there are absolutes, to say there are no obsolutes is in itself an absolute and so is self defeating. We must have absolutes. These are often agreed on and applied through the legal systems but they are still there. Thus, when examining the behaviour of people in power we apply rules to encompass that power ie you can go so far and no further. When we are talking about national leaders in the west that do represent a wide range of views this can become more difficult but there still must be a yard stick agreed. PS If ol' Bill claims to be a Christian then he himself is setting the yard stick against we should measure him.

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