December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: IP: Wired News: Y2Kaboom?
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Make that "inappropriate" behavior. >The fact that one entity is enaging in appropriate behavior does not excuse the >rest. -Declan At 11:30 AM 11-16-98 -0800, b!X wrote: >On Mon, 16 Nov 1998, Declan McCullagh wrote: > ># I hope that in the future, "Believer" would see fit not to distribute Wired ># News articles in full. Not only does it violate civil and criminal ># copyright law, but it's also just plain rude. > >Hey Congress gets to insert the full test of articles into the Congressional >Record as much they want, why can't we? ;) > > >- b!X (Guerrilla Techno-fetishist @ GEEK Force) >

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Re: IP: Wired News: Y2Kaboom?
by Matt Elliott 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:20 PM -0500 11/16/98, Declan McCullagh wrote: > The fact that one entity is enaging in appropriate behavior does not excuse > the rest. I think it is appropriate. Take "Believer" to court and hope I don't happen to be sitting on the jury. Matt <mailto:melliott@ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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Re: Attempt by UK govt to plug tax hole...
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Mon, 16 Nov 1998 18:13:46 EST, Nilsphone(a)aol.com wrote: >NOTE the word "harmful" below, used three times, mainly meaning >"harmful competition by offering lower tax rates". etc. OK guys, it seems the topic interests you... :-) I just thought of dropping it and see what happen... :-) Please *don't* forget to Cc me if you post only to Cypherpunks since I'm not on it anymore. I'm on e$pam though (e$(a)vmeng.com) Ciao jfa " There can be no compromise on basic principles. There can be no compromise on moral issues. There can be no compromise on matters of knowledge, of truth, of rational conviction." -Ayn Rand "The government has no source of revenue, except the taxes paid by the producers. To free itself -for a while- from the limits set by reality, the government initiates a credit con game on a scale which the private manipulator could not dream of. It borrows money from you today, which is to be repaid with money it will borrow from you day after tomorrow, and so on. This is known as "deficit financing." It is made possible by the fact that the government cuts the connection between goods and money. It issues paper money, which is used as a claim check on actually existing goods-but that money is not backed by any goods, it is not backed by gold, it is backed by nothing. It is a promissory note issued to you in exchange for your goods, to be paid by you (in the form of taxes) out of your future production." -Ayn Rand

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Re: Attempt by UK govt to plug tax hole...
by Nilsphone＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

NOTE the word "harmful" below, used three times, mainly meaning "harmful competition by offering lower tax rates". Now, this is very interesting, if unsurprising. Theoretically, there is no particular reason why competition in tax rates, i.e. essentially in the provision of government services at a lower price, should be "harmful" in any sense differing from competition in supplying any other service. Naturally, the supplier of a particular service (or product) tends to think of competition in his own arena as "harmful", whereas competition in any other is generally a "public good". This is obviously nothing but self- serving; the putative robber barons of the last century presumably thought of competiton in petroleum, rail transportation and whatnot as "harmful", as did United and American when airline service opened to competition some 20 years ago. What makes the assertions of the British and other G7 governments particularly irksome is that they simultanaeously advocate competition in most areas, except their own, and at the same time make a - usually implicit - claim to represent some kind of public good, and a claim to holding the moral high ground. Regards Nils Andersson In a message dated 1998-11-16 12:34 Pacific Standard Time, jf_avon(a)citenet.net writes: > > From Caribbean Week, business section, updated Nov. 15 1998 (?) > > ================================================= > Global initiatives present challenges to BVI > > BRITISH VIRGIN ISLANDS - Proposed initiatives created for "combating > harmful preferential tax regimes" could present special challenges to > offshore > financial centres such as the BVI, Chief Minister, Ralph O'Neal has told the > Legislative Council. >............. > the UK > Government's resolve to tackle harmful tax competition......... > Of the concerns noted by the Chief Minister were OCED initiatives to counter > the spread to tax havens and harmful preferential regimes............

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IP: 61% of IT Professionals Plan to Pull Money from Banks
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: 61% of IT Professionals Plan to Pull Money from Banks Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:05:20 -0600 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: http://www.garynorth.com/y2k/detail_.cfm/3072 Category: Programmers'_Views Date: 1998-11-13 17:53:32 Subject: 61% of IT Professionals Plan to Pull Money from Banks Link: http://year2000.dci.com/articles/1998/11/11poll.htm Comment: In an on-line poll of over 6,000 IT professionals (high), 61% plan to take cash out of their banks. This is from DCI (Nov. 11). * * * * * * * * . . . Almost eighty percent are taking steps to minimize the impact of the Millennium Bug : 62.4 percent plan to avoid traveling by plane, 61.5 percent will withdraw money from the bank, and 58.6 percent will purchase extra supplies in case of a shortage. Link: http://year2000.dci.com/articles/1998/11/11poll.htm November 11, 1998 Pointing the Y2K Finger An online Year 2000 poll conducted recently by ZD Network News and The Harris Poll Online reveals a mixture of confidence and prudent preparation among a group of Y2K-savvy professionals. Of the 6,320 people who filled out the survey, 56.8 percent identified themselves as full-or part-time I.T. professionals. Not surprisingly, 84 percent claimed to have a "good" or "complete" understanding of the Year 2000 problem. More than half are clear on who is to blame. Sixty-one percent of respondents believe those who build, sell and use computers, along with business leaders, are responsible for the Year 2000 problem. And don't look to place the blame on Uncle Sam. Only 23.6 percent of those surveyed say they will blame the government in the event of Y2K disruptions. Happily, the news isn't all bad. A large percentage of respondents (75.2 percent) said their companies have taken steps toward Y2K compliance. Sixty-two percent believe their company will be able to make the necessary changes and create contingency plans in time to meet the Jan. 1st deadline. A healthy 84.8 percent of respondents whose companies are actively working on Y2K believe compliance goals will be reached. However, only 24.1 percent reported that the process was already complete. Over half of those surveyed feel they are more concerned about Y2K than the majority of people. But panic has yet to set in. When asked to predict the impact of Y2K only 21.3 percent said they thought it would be "very serious." Almost two-thirds believe the results of Y2K will fall somewhere in the middle ground between "negligible effects" and "doomsday." Respondents are taking precautions nonetheless. Roughly three-fourths of survey participants have checked their PCs for Y2K compliance. Almost eighty percent are taking steps to minimize the impact of the Millennium Bug : 62.4 percent plan to avoid traveling by plane, 61.5 percent will withdraw money from the bank, and 58.6 percent will purchase extra supplies in case of a shortage. © Copyright 1998 by DCI (978) 470-3880 ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- **************************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address or (un)subscribe ignition-point-digest email@address **************************************************** www.telepath.com/believer ****************************************************

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Re: Non Explosive Weapons
by Michael Motyka 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John, NEW is such a goddamned brilliant acronym. Now I'll get in trouble if I start making *major cojones capacitors*. Mineral oil will become a controlled substance if possessed in quantities greater than 1/2 pt or used in any manner other than that described on the label. Vacuum pumps will be contraband. Like ROM burners. Danzig... > Above all, we should stop thinking and organizing in terms of > anachronistic distinctions between "here" and "abroad," between > "military" and "civilian," among "crime," "war" and "natural > occurrence." Nonexplosive weapons erode all such boundaries. > > This does not require the militarization of America. The protections > guaranteed in the Constitution against arrest and investigation > can remain strong. > Tune in next week when: ((( A == B ) && ( A != B )) == TRUE ) or how to babble BULLSHIT from a position of power. Either dangerous or stupid. Who pays his weekly check? I can't help but think that these guys are just looking for a new "main gig in life" that lets them shorten the commute between home and the war zone. Why don't they go start a war somewhere else? Here are some amusing sites - http://www.ntcip.org/ http://www.tcip.org/ Yet another infrastructure system getting ready for the hackers. Won't even be able to trust traffic lights soon. Yet another excuse for insurance rate changes. I guess I'd prefer automation with fewer features but better reliability and security to soldiers in the streets. No luck there though, too practical, it would be too inexpensive and what would we do with all those soldiers? Mike The Danzig's Dictionary good == bad there == here imaginary == real speech == threat thought == terrorism civilian == suspect suspect == convict yours == ours ours == mine mine == mineallmine Not up to Bierce specs, sadly

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vznuri
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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RE: Question about anarchic systems and natural disasters (fwd)
by Brown, R Ken 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Michael Hohensee wrote: > Anonymous wrote: >> Soren writes: >> > Simple, they would work anarchically. If the guy whose house is >> > burning down is an assh*le, then let it burn. >> Now you know why Choate fears anarchy. >Fortunately for the alleged assh*le, there are likely lots of people >(i.e. _firemen_) who are willing to come and put out his fire, if Mr. >assh*le has contracted with them or someone else who has in turn >contracted with them. If they didn't, they would be marked (correctly) >assh*les, and nobody would contract with them anymore, and they'd get >real poor real fast. >Michael Hohensee No-one's yet noticed that my Jim's house burning down is a problem for his neighbours. Not just for the fear and distress it causes them but because the fire might spread to their houses. Which is why we have fire brigades. And why they are nearly always paid for out of tax. Almost the last thing in the world anyone does privately. Of course, that applies to cities, not to the country - but cities are where it's at. Ken Brown.

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17 Dec '03

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Does anyone have FTP acess to Litronic.com?
by hurley bryan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just picked up a Moniker Crypto Card, made by Litronic, Fortezza Compliant, PCMCIA v2.1 type 2 card. Seems all the software went behind a $600month, 6mo min, ftp site as of oct 1, 1998. I don't want to seem like a warez d00d, I am looking for software to use this card, or further info, but may be up the river. Its a risc processor in a card to do fast crypto and store info on it. Thanks Bryan

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