December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Cypherpunks defeat? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:05:34 -0700 > From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> > Subject: Re: Cypherpunks defeat? > On the contrary, it is the server end that is hard. > The problem is that we do not want to force everyone in the > universe to be the clients of a single giant issuer. That > would bring us right back to the old problem of the > tyrannical and oppressive central bank. This would argue that what is needed is a distributed server-less protocol. A peer-to-peer mechanism with a local arbitration mechanism. > Visualize the following situation. I buy tokens from Bob, > who may be my local ISP. I spend them on a server on a site > in Sri Lanka. The owner of the server cashes them with > Evonne. My money, aggregated with a multitude of other > peoples money in a multitude of other peoples transactions > flows by some complex and indirect route to through several > different people, and eventually to Evonne, and finally to > the owner of the server in Sri Lanka. Whatever that protocol is, it should take care of currency conversion transparently. Perhaps the wrong approach has been taken from the get go. As I understand the various approaches every one of the has worried about how to get the users money transfered into digital tokens. What if we approach it from the other end and ask: How can one design a system which focuses on how a users token cache and converting it to the appropriate currency as required can be realized Further, this mechanism should not rely on any centralized server or arbitration mechanism while doing this specie conversion. One potential mechanism (admittedly very roughly described) would be to let each participant in a transaction to agree on the worth of those tokens and not worry if Bob gets the same bank per token from Sam that he gets from Sue. So how many tokens Bob gets from Sam each time Sam buys one of Bob's used CD's wouldn't necessarily be the same number of tokens from Sue, even though Bob charges the same amount to both Sam and Sue. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Remailers, PGP, and a Project Suggestion
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> So, what you are saying is that you want crypto to protect yourself >from government intrusion, but are unwilling to actually WRITE the code for >fear that the government will lock you up. That's about right. I will write the code for myself. I will not release it since I'm in the U.S. and it gives the thugs one more reason to come after me. That job is better suited for somebody who is outside the U.S. or is actually willing to sit through a long grand jury investigation, possible indictment, trial, conviction, jail time, and life as a convicted felon.

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Toto -- mimic function or the real thing (Re: no subject)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back writes: >Who knows, if it is Toto, he has been rather careful not to sign >anything recently :-). > >(If he were to sign things it might be helpful for Carl >Johnson... Toto?) He could have been one of the guys sending the insults to the spammers (which I applaud, mind you) and who got into that argument with Paul Meril, but the wording isn't anywhere near what we've come to expect from Toto. The two gay sex responses to one of the Six Degrees of Spam users sounds just like something he might do. If Toto has been here all along, I think this is one of the most clever hoaxes which has hit the list in a long time.

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New copyright law coming...
by Albert P. Franco, II 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

More back room bullshit to screw with us: <http://www.sjmercury.com/business/center/copyright092698.htm> This article talks about a new copyright law slithering through congress. They're back...

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Re: Mailing-List
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Our mailing list is devoted to the intelligent people who are fighting fo our freedom using crypto. although you may fall into the category of enjoying crypto you are obviously stupid and therefore not what this list is aimed at. An intelligent person would ot have sent a message to all the people on the list asking a dumb question. There are also a number of hackers on our list and annoying them means flames galore (possibly) My advice is to get an aol account where you will be welcomed At 03:16 AM 9/28/98 , you wrote: > >Please email me information about your mailing-list. >

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FWD: California Anti-Spam Legislation Signed
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded from two CYBERIA-L articles: -------------------------------------- According to a CNET article, yesterday Gov. Wilson signed into law two pieces of legislation regulating spam. The first bill requires (1) special labels on the e-mail, (2) either a real e-mail address or an 800 number permitting the recipient to be removed from the distribution list, and (3) penalties if violated. The second bill (1) permits ISPs to sue spammers for damages to their systems and (2) outlaws "spoofing." (I haven't read the text of the statutes, so my description is a summary of what the article says.) Article is at: http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C26859%2C00.html?dd.ne.tx.ts1.0928 "Both bills go into effect January 1. [The second] provision applies to email providers that have equipment located in the state. [The first] provision affects spammers who are located in the state or those who send unsolicited bulk email to computer users who reside in California." ------------------------------------- The text of the bill follows the URL which does a better job with the strike outs than the plain text appended below. http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_1651-1700/ab_1676_bill_980820_ame… Sorry the email width would not handle the URL on one line but ascii text follows: BILL NUMBER: AB 1676 AMENDED BILL TEXT AMENDED IN SENATE AUGUST 20, 1998 AMENDED IN SENATE JUNE 30, 1998 AMENDED IN ASSEMBLY APRIL 28, 1998 AMENDED IN ASSEMBLY MARCH 26, 1998 AMENDED IN ASSEMBLY MARCH 12, 1998 INTRODUCED BY Assembly Member Bowen (Coauthors: Assembly Members Brown, Campbell, Kuehl, Leach, Martinez, and Mazzoni) (Coauthors: Senators Dills, Karnette, O'Connell, Solis, Vasconcellos, and Watson) JANUARY 14, 1998 An act to amend Section 17538.4 of the Business and Professions Code, relating to advertising. LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST AB 1676, as amended, Bowen. Advertising: electronic mail. Existing law prohibits a person conducting business in this state from faxing unsolicited advertising material, unless certain conditions are satisfied. This bill would expand that prohibition to include the transmission of unsolicited advertising by electronic mail (e-mail), and would make several related changes. This bill would become inoperative if federal law on this subject is enacted. Existing law provides for the regulation of advertising and provides that a violation of those provisions is a crime. This bill, by creating additional prohibitions with regard to advertising, would expand the scope of an existing crime, thereby imposing a state-mandated local program. The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that reimbursement. This bill would provide that no reimbursement is required by this act for a specified reason. Vote: majority. Appropriation: no. Fiscal committee: yes. State-mandated local program: yes. THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS: SECTION 1. Section 17538.4 of the Business and Professions Code is amended to read: 17538.4. (a) No person or entity conducting business in this state shall facsimile (fax) or cause to be faxed, or electronically mail (e-mail) or cause to be e-mailed, documents consisting of unsolicited advertising material for the lease, sale, rental, gift offer, or other disposition of any realty, goods, services, or extension of credit unless: (1) In the case of a fax, that person or entity establishes a toll-free telephone number that a recipient of the unsolicited faxed documents may call to notify the sender not to fax the recipient any further unsolicited documents. (2) In the case of e-mail, that person or entity establishes a toll-free telephone number or valid sender operated return e-mail address that the recipient of the unsolicited documents may call or e-mail to notify the sender not to e-mail any further unsolicited documents. (b) All unsolicited faxed or e-mailed documents subject to this section shall include a statement informing the recipient of the toll-free telephone number that the recipient may call, or a valid return address to which the recipient may write or e-mail, as the case may be, notifying the sender not to fax or e-mail the recipient any further unsolicited documents to the fax number, or numbers, or e-mail address, or addresses, specified by the recipient. In the case of faxed material, the statement shall be in at least nine-point type. In the case of e-mail, the statement shall be the first text in the body of the message and shall be of the same size as the majority of the text of the message. (c) Upon notification by a recipient of his or her request not to receive any further unsolicited faxed or e-mailed documents, no person or entity conducting business in this state shall fax or cause to be faxed or e-mail or cause to be e-mailed any unsolicited documents to that recipient. (d) In the case of e-mail, this section shall apply when the unsolicited e-mailed documents are delivered to a California resident via an electronic mail service provider's service or equipment located in this state. For these purposes "electronic mail service provider" means any business or organization qualified to do business in this state that provides individuals, corporations, or other entities the ability to send or receive electronic mail through equipment located in this state and that is an intermediary in sending or receiving electronic mail. (e) As used in this section, "unsolicited e-mailed documents" means any e-mailed document or documents consisting of advertising material for the lease, sale, rental, gift offer, or other disposition of any realty, goods, services, or extension of credit that meet both of the following requirements: (A) (1) The documents are addressed to a recipient with whom the initiator does not have an existing business or personal relationship. (B) (2) The documents are not sent at the request of, or with the express consent of, the recipient. (f) As used in this section, "fax" or "cause to be faxed" or "e-mail" or "cause to be e-mailed" does not include or refer to the transmission of any documents by a telecommunications utility or Internet service provider to the extent that the telecommunications utility or Internet service provider merely carries that transmission over its network. (g) In the case of e-mail that consists of unsolicited advertising material for the lease, sale, rental, gift offer, or other disposition of any realty, goods, services, or extension of credit, the subject line of each and every message shall include "ADV:" as the first four characters. If these messages contain information that consists of unsolicited advertising material for the lease, sale, rental, gift offer, or other disposition of any realty, goods, services, or extension of credit, that may only be viewed, purchased, rented, leased, or held in possession by an individual 18 years of age and older, the subject line of each and every message shall include "ADV:ADLT" as the first eight characters. (h) An employer who is the registered owner of more than one e-mail address may notify the person or entity conducting business in this state e-mailing or causing to be e-mailed, documents consisting of unsolicited advertising material for the lease, sale, rental, gift offer, or other disposition of any realty, goods, services, or extension of credit of the desire to cease e-mailing on behalf of all of the employees who may use employer-provided and employer-controlled e-mail addresses. (i) This section, or any part of this section, shall become inoperative on and after the date that federal law is enacted that prohibits or otherwise regulates the transmission of unsolicited advertising by electronic mail (e-mail). SEC. 2. No reimbursement is required by this act pursuant to Section 6 of Article XIIIB of the California Constitution because the only costs that may be incurred by a local agency or school district will be incurred because this act creates a new crime or infraction, eliminates a crime or infraction, or changes the penalty for a crime or infraction, within the meaning of Section 17556 of the Government Code, or changes the definition of a crime within the meaning of Section 6 of Article XIIIB of the California Constitution. Notwithstanding Section 17580 of the Government Code, unless otherwise specified, the provisions of this act shall become operative on the same date that the act takes effect pursuant to the California Constitution. -------------------------------------------------------------------

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Unix virus
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

aside from the fact that for a virus to correctly write to files on the unix system you would need to have suffficiant read/write access, you are obviously too stupid to be able to accomplish this successfully. One way to ruin the system would be with a gun, that is about the best that you will be able to do considering your intellect.

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Bill Gates Jokes
by Leif Ericksen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is a top ten list of how to Irritate Bill Gates... To funny to not post! > > Today's MailBits.com Joke: > > >From the Home Office in Wahoo, Nebraska, > it's the Top Ten List for April 21, 1998 > > Top Ten Ways to Irritate Bill Gates > > > 10. Steal his "nerdboy" license plate. > > 9. Accuse him of sexually harassing your laser jet printer. > > 8. Beat his high score on Tetris. > > 7. Ask him if they caught the guy who did that to his hair. > > 6. Tell him you heard he's "microsoft." > > 5. Leave his Spock ears on your dashboard so they melt. > > 4. Let the air out of the tires on the Gatesmobile. > > 3. Drop hints that Oprah's richer than he is. > > 2. WWW him right in the dot-com. > > 1. Two words: dork tax. > > > ======== > Did you see today's advertiser (above)? > > They need you to fill out surveys--and they'll PAY YOU! > > Have a look. > ======== > > > > ==> Want to forward this mailing to a friend? Go ahead! But > be sure to forward the whole message (including the > copyright notice below). > > > (C) Copyright MailBits.com 1998. To subscribe to this free > mailing, go to http://www.MailBits.com/Jokes or, for > automatic subscription, send email to Jokes(a)MailBits.com > > > > ____________________ > This email is part of your joke-a-day subscription. You can > cancel your subscription at any time by going to > http://www.mailbits.com/ or by sending email to > jokes.unsubscribe(a)mailbits.com > > Know a (clean) joke? Send it to SubmitJokes(a)MailBits.com > > To contact us, email feedback(a)mailbits.com > > > - lhe

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