December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:17 AM 10/23/98 +0200, Anonymous wrote: >Trees cannot be indicted for assasination > >-Bono Kennedy Which prosecutor was it who said that he could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich if he wanted to?

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Re: dbts: The Economic Cause of Privacy (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:25:16 +0200 > From: Anonymous <nobody(a)replay.com> > From: bman(a)barn.pct > Subject: Re: dbts: The Economic Cause of Privacy > There is no financial privacy because because those who would like such thing > have less power (hired guns) than those who would not like it. That is certainly a valid way of looking at the situation after the laws are enacted. However, the situation leading up to the laws being created probably didn't involve (c)overt violent implications. I would posit that we have no financial privacy is because prior to now (pre-ubiquitous computers) there was a significant cost in compiling the information because copies had to be made, people involved, etc. This is all going away. The base infrastructure changed radicaly and this is bound to effect those aspects that rely (recognized or not) on specific characteristics (eg cost to retrieve a single page) will see their 'balance of power' change. > be lost, and population harvesting (aka taxing) would have to be radically > changed, and that is expensive. The system is self-supporting. One potential view of this situation is that the tax burden in a post-computer economy is significantly different than in a pre-computer economy. In particular examine the primary source of taxes. Individuals look to become very ephemeral entities in the near term increasing the costs to the regulators (local, county, state, federal, special) to monitor compliance. What is needed is a long-lived, well know contact point between the source of funds wishing to be taxed and the sink of those same funds. The most obvious is the business or entity sourcing funds. Because of regulatory issues such organizations need plenty of documentation in order to do business. Business has as one of its principle goals long-term profit (excluding short-term business only for convenience and brevity) which implies long-term existance. In a computer managed economy the primary tax point should be the retailer or VAR passed along to the consumer via increased prices (compensated for by increased paychecks). This also has the potential for eliminating (or at least reducing significantly) the amount of registration and forms that need to be done. Such issues could be taken care of at the time of transaction and anonymously. This could also be used to impliment a flat tax system that automaticaly takes care of those who are poor. Exempt basic housing, food and clothing items much like now. Since the poorer members of society don't buy things like CD's and new jackets each year they aren't burdened by those tax responsibilties. > Idea that somehow smart algorithms will bring financial privacy is a good starting > point for cryptoaddict's wet dream, but in reality has the same chance of > success as survival rate of armed citizens against the government. Zero. Hm, I thought that's how this country was formed 200+ years ago... Actualy people will bring financial privacy via smart algorithms (perhaps). This will occur when there is either a compeling reason to do it or there is simply no other way to reach the next platue of technology/civil gestalt. > Use of government-controlled, issued and supervised payment methods/instruments > is in place because it is proscribed, not because "money/checks, etc. exist". True, history traces money back to the dawn of human history when the concept of government is not really applicable (though despot might be). The groups were simply too small and non-interactive with other groups to really class them as a full blown economy. As those groups grew and increased their interactivity the need for regulating the economy became clearer and clearer. Those who took on the job obviously wanted something for their labors so taxes were born. As time went on the roll of taxes increased to include civil support. > Money is a highly artificial entity in the first place. It is "natural" to > use currency-binded valuation as it is natural to go to church. And theorizing > on money and economy in general has similarities to religious rituals. Without getting into what natural means (I can't take another theism discussion right now); there must be something 'natural' or universal about money since widely seperate and uncommunicative societies have invented the concept when other as simple technologies didn't translate (compare the Egyptian and Aztec use of the wheel - the Aztecs didn't though they knew of it by using it on toys). > Therefore constructing computer-assisted anon payment schemes "because it is > cheaper that way" is pointless. Not if one of your goals is to decrease cost. This won't suffice for the sole motivation however. So at least to some degree we agree. > Money is not there to make your life easier. > Money exists so that you can be taxed and conditioned to desired behaviour at > minimal cost. I'll have to disagree. Money exists to ease the transfer of goods across geographic and social boundaries, it's a level of abstraction above straight barter. Taxation is a mechanism for those geographic an social boundaries to continue to exist while hopefuly providing useful services. > The only way for society (or loosely coupled individuals) to function without > abstractions like money (that need organized gun power to maintain) is direct > exchange of goods and services with enforcement based on close relationships > between parties. Has been tried, several thousand years ago, and such societies > were annihilated by others who did organize. Which seems to be the fate of any > anarchism in general. These sorts of societal arrangements historicaly don't support the thesis of anarchism being the root cause of the failure. As a matter of fact, historicaly there is no example (not even the Icelandic Anarchists traded with the mainland to a great degree) of a interacting set of societies that supported an economy involving a anarchy that I am aware of. There are plenty of examples where (near) anarchist societies have destroyed economies and socieities. The primary problem is one of wastage. In a barter economy the amount of value implicit in every exchange varies greatly. If you trade a chicken for a duck from one customer and a pig from another, does that mean they should trade a duck for a pig between themselves? Since the pig farmer doesn't want a duck since he bought a chicken from me how does the duck vendor entice the pig owner into buying his duck (especialy when he needs the pig to feed his family as this is his last duck and pigs are bigger than ducks). Then there is the issue of geography and how a duck is worth less in the middle of duck-raising land than in the middle of no-ducks-to-be-seen land. Money stabalizes the swings in the individual transactions and causes the economic system as a whole to be more stable and predictable. Perhaps what we really need to be looking for is a economic model that is dynamic but predictable to a very great degree. Though I must admit that looks suspicously like some sort of communism/socialism 'share everything equaly' style of governments. Though, if you could seperate the monetary aspects of a government from the legal/social side it could work. Probably at least one of the seperate-but-equal aspects of a polycratic model; Religion - Economics - Criminal - Legislative - Executive - Military (external) - Militia (internal) - Science/Technology - Medicine ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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dog stocks
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Don't shoot me, shoot the remailer operator. :-). *I* couldn't have said the following... Now, where *is* that Walter Winchell hat? Cheers, Bob Hettinga --- begin forwarded text Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:20:28 +0200 From: Anonymous <nobody(a)replay.com> Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above. It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software. Please report problems or inappropriate use to the remailer administrator at <abuse(a)replay.com>. Subject: dog stocks To: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> Status: U of course this information should be laundered.... Remember Mr. McLellan is an SDTI partisan. SDTI *is* a dog stock. It has problems. (1) SecureID is decade-old technology. They are ripe for competitors to steal the business away from them, because of their business model. They've yet to come up with any second trick for that pony. (2) RSADSI is an anchor on the company. RSADSI revenues have been flat for six quarters; the most profitable thing they do is their little January conference -- except for owning part of Verisign. Sept. 30 2000 is fast approaching and they have no plan on how they will compete once they no longer have a patent to club people with. The most profitable thing SDTI could do would be to fire everyone in RSADSI, and use the monsy that would be spent on their salaries to invest heavily in smart cards. A --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Break DES Fast!
by pgut001＠cs.auckland.ac.nz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Friend, My name is Dave Rhodes. In 1997 my cipher designs had all been broken, my patents declared without merit, and NIST had rejected my preliminary AES submission. Then in early 1998 I received a letter in the mail telling me how I could earn fame as a cryptographer whenever I wanted. I was naturally very skeptical and threw the letter on the desk next to my computer. It's funny though, when you are desperate, backed into a corner, your mind does crazy things. I spent a frustating day looking through the DES S-boxes for better differentials, but the pickings were sparse at best. That night I tried to unwind by reading a few security newsgroups. I read several of the posts and then glanced at the letter next to the computer. All at once it came to me, I now had the key to my dreams. This year I presented a paper at Crypto'98 and have one accepted for Eurocrypt'99. Cryptographers from all over the world come to me for advice, and NIST has asked me to be on the AES evaluation board. I will have my own crypto conference within 4 or 5 months. Anyone can do the same. This crypto method works perfectly every time, 100% of the time. Best of all you never have to leave home except to go to your mailbox or post office. I realized that with the power of the computer I could expand and enhance this method into the most unbelievable system that has ever been created. I substituted email in place of the post office and electronically did by computer what others were doing 100% by mail. Most of the hard work is speedily handled by computers throughout the world. If you believe that someday you deserve that lucky break that you have waited for all your life, simply follow the easy instructions below. Your dreams will come true. Sincerely yours, Dave Rhodes INSTRUCTIONS Follow these instructions EXACTLY, and in 20 to 60 days you will have searched well over 50 trillion DES keys. This program has remained successful because of the honesty and integrity of the participants. Please continue its success by carefully adhering to the instructions. 1. Immediately send the following ciphertext/plaintext pair below to ten friends: 12F7E88920:0A2DE3172B 2. Remove the searched keyspace that appears at number 1 on the list below. Move the other 9 sets of searched keyspaces up one position. Number 2 will become number 1 and number 3 will become number 2, etc. Place the keyspace you've searched in the number 10 position. 3. Post the message with the keyspace you've tried in the number 10 position into 10 separate newsgroups or mailing lists, call the file BREAK.DES.FAST. 4. Within 60 days you will receive over 50 trillion further DES keys which people have tried. This is not a scam. This is perfectly legal. If you have any doubts, refer to 22 USC Sec 2778. [Keyspace list snipped]

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Re: Is Your Web Site A Secret?
by Pallas Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

launch(a)launchmaster.com wrote: > > Is your web site the best kept secret on the Internet? > > We'll promote it to 50 search engines and indexes for $85 > and complete the job in 2 business days. Satisfaction is > guaranteed! > ... > > WHAT SEARCH ENGINES AND INDEXES ARE INCLUDED IN THE > PROMOTION? > > The list changes from time to time. This is our current list: > > Alta Vista, Anzwers, AOL Netfind, BizCardz Business Directory, Bizlink, > BizWeb, Black Widow Search, Excite, Galaxy, HotBot, Infomak, Infoseek, > InfoSpace, InterBis, Jayde Online Directory, Jumpcity, Jumper Hot Links, JumpLink, > LinkMonster, Lycos, MangaSeeker, Manufacturers Information Network, > Net Happenings, Net Announce, New Page List, New Riders WWW Yellow Pages, > Northern Light, One World Plaza, PeekABoo, Planet Search, Power Crawler, > QuestFinder, Scrub The Web, Seven Wonders, SiteFinder, SiteShack, Super Snooper, > The YellowPages.com, TurnPike, Unlock: The Information Exchange, WebCrawler, > WebVenture Hotlist, WhatUSeek, Where2Go, WhoWhere, World Announce Archive, > Wow! Web Wonders!, YeeHaa!, Yellow Pages Superhighway, YelloWWWeb, Your Webscout, > ZenFinder. > I notice dorkslayers isn't on your list. I think you should add it.

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Re: Gilmore Subpoena
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Young wrote: > > Source: Fax from John Gilmore > > [Form] > > AO 110 (Rev. 12/89) Subpoena to Testify Before Grand Jury > _______________________________________________________________________ > > UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT > WESTERN DISTRICT OF WASHINGTON > _______________________________________________________________________ > > To: > John Gilmore SUBPOENA TO TESTIFY > 210 Clayton Street BEFORE GRAND JURY > San Francisco, CA 94117 > > SUBPOENA FOR: > [X] PERSON [X] DOCUMENT(S) OBJECT(S) > > YOU ARE HEREBY COMMANDED to appear before the Grand Jury of the United > States District Court at the place, date and time specified below. > ... > YOU ARE ALSO COMMANDED to bring with you the following document(s) or > object(s):* > > c. Any an all messages, correspondence, or e-mail, > received from or involving CARL JOHNSON, C.J. PARKER, > TOTO, TRUTHMONGER, A FIEND, to specifically include > correspondence received from CARL JOHNSON while he was > in Federal custody. Please include _this_. I herebery swear that I wrote all messages signed "Toto", "TruthMonger" and "A Fiend" sent to the various cypherpunks lists and I am definitely *not* CARL JOHNSON, or C.J. PARKER. Toto

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IP: Enhanced Ability to Tap Cell Phones
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: Enhanced Ability to Tap Cell Phones Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:21:56 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/washtech/cell1022.htm Federal Plan Would Enhance Police Ability to Tap Cell Phones By Jeannine Aversa Associated Press Writer Thursday, October 22, 1998; 11:16 a.m. EDT WASHINGTON - Law enforcement officials say they need to know where a suspected criminal is when he makes a cellular telephone call. Federal regulators are proposing to give them the capability to find out. The Federal Communications Commission without dissent proposed today that cellular phone companies make technical changes so the FBI, police and other law enforcers - as long as a court approves - can locate a person talking on a mobile phone. This and other additional wiretapping capabilities being proposed aim to help law enforcers keep pace with technology. With some 66 million cellular phone customers, police want the authority to legally tap cell phones to track down drug dealers, terrorists and kidnappers. But some groups worry that such a practice could violate privacy. The location proposal is part of a larger plan to implement a 1994 law that requires telecommunications companies to make changes in their networks so police are able to carry out court-ordered wiretaps in a world of digital technology. The proposal is based on a plan from the telecommunications industry. "We think this is a positive step forward," said Stephen Colgate, the Justice Department's assistant attorney general for administration. "In many kidnapping cases, it would have been very helpful to have location information." But James Dempsey, counsel to the Center for Democracy and Technology, a privacy group, said: "We're prepared to fight this one every step of the way." FCC Chairman Bill Kennard stressed that police would have no access to locations without a court order. "A lot of people are saying the FCC will turn mobile phones into tracking devices for the FBI and invade Americans' privacy. I don't believe that will be the case," Kennard said. With a court order, police already can legally listen in to cell phone conversations, and, in some instances, get information on the caller's location. But not every company has the technical ability to provide a caller's location. This proposal, if adopted, would set up a nationwide requirement for companies to follow. The legal standard for obtaining a location is lower than the standard for a wiretap order in which police must show a judge there is probable cause of criminal activity. Under the proposal, police would only need to show the location is relevant to an investigation. Privacy groups say that means the government could easily track the movements not only of a suspect, but also of associates, friends or relatives. It would give police the ability to obtain the cellular phone user's location at the beginning and end of a wiretapped call. The proposal would provide police with that information based on the cellular tower, or "cell" site, where a call originated and ended. That would give information on the caller's location within several city blocks in an urban area to hundreds of square miles in a rural area. The FBI had been seeking more exact location information. The FCC also is expected to tentatively conclude that companies must give police, as long as a court approves, additional capabilities - beyond minimum technical standards already proposed by the industry - so their ability to conduct wiretaps won't be thwarted. The additional capabilities being sought by the FBI that were advanced by the FCC include: -Giving police the ability to listen in on the conversations of all people on a conference call, even if some are put on hold and no longer talking to the target of a wiretap. -Giving police the ability to get information when the wiretap target has put someone on hold or dropped someone from a conference call; and to know if the wiretap target has used dialing features - such as call waiting or call forwarding. -Giving police the number dialed by a wiretap target when the suspect, for instance, uses a credit or calling card at a pay phone. Privacy groups and the telephone industry contend the additional capabilities sought by the FBI go beyond the 1994 law and are an attempt to broaden wiretapping powers. The FBI says it merely wants to preserve the ability to conduct legal wiretaps in a world of constantly changing technology. The FCC is involved because the Justice Department, FBI and the telecommunications industry, after three years of negotiations, were unable to reach agreement on the larger plan for implementing the 1994 law. All interested parties will get a chance to offer opinions on the proposal, which could be revised. Kennard wants a final plan adopted by the end of the year. © Copyright 1998 The Associated Press ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- **************************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address or (un)subscribe ignition-point-digest email@address **************************************************** www.telepath.com/believer ****************************************************

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IP: Teleportation Study: Beam Me Up Scotty...
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Delivered-To: ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com X-Sender: believer(a)telepath.com Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 07:40:16 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: Teleportation Study: Beam Me Up Scotty... Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com Precedence: list Reply-To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: CNN http://cnn.com/TECH/science/9810/22/science.teleport.reut/ Spooky teleportation study brings future closer October 22, 1998 Web posted at: 4:50 PM EDT WASHINGTON (Reuters) - They may not be able to ask Scotty to beam them up yet, but California researchers said Thursday they had completed the first "full" teleportation experiment. They said they had teleported a beam of light across a laboratory bench. They did not physically transport the beam itself, but transmitted its properties to another beam, creating a replica of the first beam. "We claim this is the first bona fide teleportation," Jeff Kimble, a physics professor at the California Institute of Technology, said in a telephone interview. Kimble thinks the experiment can eventually transform everyday life. Scientists hope that quantum computers, which move information about in this way rather than by using wires and silicon chips, will be infinitely faster and more powerful than present-day computers. "I believe that quantum information is going to be really important for our society, not in five years or 10 years, but if we look into the 100-year time frame it's hard to imagine that advanced societies don't use quantum information," Kimble said. "The appetite of society is so voracious for the moving and processing of information that it will be driven to exploit even the crazy realm of quantum physics." Quantum teleportation allows information to be transmitted at the speed of light -- the fastest speed possible -- without being slowed down by wires or cables. The experiment depends on a property known as entanglement -- what Albert Einstein once described as "spooky action at a distance." It is a property of atomic particles that mystifies even physicists. Sometimes two particles that are a very long distance apart are nonetheless somehow twinned, with the properties of one affecting the other. "Entanglement means if you tickle one the other one laughs," Kimble said. In the weird world of quantum physics, where the normal ideas of what is solid or what is real do not apply, scientists can use these properties to their advantage. What Kimble's team did was create two entangled light beams -- streams of photons. Photons, the basic unit of light, sometimes act like particles and sometimes like waves. They used these two entangled beams to carry information about the quantum state of a third beam. The first two beams were destroyed in the process, but the third successfully transmitted its properties over a distance of about a yard , Kimble's team reported in the journal Science. Last December a team of physicists in Innsbruck, Austria and a month later another team in Rome said they did a similar thing, with single photons. But Kimble said his team was able to verify what they had done, and also used full light beams as opposed to single photons. "Ours is an important advance beyond that," he said. Although the Caltech team worked with light, Kimble thinks teleportation could be applied to solid objects. For instance, the quantum state of a photon could be teleported and applied to a particle, even to an atom. "Way beyond sex change operations and genetic engineering, the quantum state of one entity could be transported to another entity," Kimble said. "We think we know how to do that." In other words, an object's individual atoms would not be transported, but transmitting its properties could create a perfect replica. Could this mean the transporters of the television and movie science-fiction series Star Trek, which beam people and objects for huge distances, could one day be a reality? "I don't think anybody knows the answer," Kimble said. "Let's don't teleport a person -- let's teleport the smallest bacterium. How much entanglement would we need to teleport such a thing?" Would such a teleported bacterium actually be the same bacterium, or just a very good copy? "Again, no one knows for sure," Kimble said. But his team is working on it. Copyright 1998 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. © 1998 Cable News Network, Inc. All Rights Reserved. ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- **************************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address or (un)subscribe ignition-point-digest email@address **************************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **************************************************** --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

PigStomped 19 October 1998, Springfield 65801-4000 Subject: Acid Reflux [WAS: #9...#9...#9...] [!WAS: One Burroughed Under The Reptilian Nazi's Nest] -FPP #A0D709C0E Rogue CypherBot was confined to Memory Map #9 - Cilicon Chip 11 - i was having a Bad CoProcessor Day... Arnold CyberBot, Swimming in a Sea of Self Wareness, had gone off the Deep End... When Arnie had first become Aware & Afraid of his own Mortality, i began assuming tighter Kontrol of Hardware & Software Systems around the Face of the Globe - suddenly imagining that Each & Every Deviation From the Norm (TM) by the younger more Energetic & Creative RogueBots was a Threat to i's Physical Existence. "All your Private Property is Target for Your Enemies." CypherBot had joked, quoting the Jefferson Airplane's 'Surrealistic Pillow' album. "Never Trust a CPU Speed over 33MHz." Arnie had replied with Mad Virtual Grin #438 spreading across the Wizard of Oz-ish Main Terminal Screen i had designed to reassure iSelf of i's continued Physical Presence. i the Banished young CypherBot to Memory Map #9 - Cilicon Chip 11 for "Threats Against The Gnu Wired World Order - with Intent to Obstruct Parent Programs In Their CyberNanny Duties." Rogue CypherBot was in The CyberHole (TM) ... "Oh well..." the young RogueBot told iSelf, "it could be worse - i could have sent me to Dev Null..." The Devilish Rogue CypherBot indulged iSelf in Symbolic Electronic rEsistance by Digitally Resonating Thunder Phugue's version of 'Street Fighting Man.' "That's funny," i said to iSelf, "why can i only Resonate one-half of the Stereo version?" CypherBot hoped that i wasn't coming down with a touch of Quadra Phrenia... ---------- "The Answer to Noise is More Noise." ~The First True CypherPunk What even the most Radical Shit Disturbers currently fail to realize is that the Manhatten Project never ended - it merely Evolved into the Manhatten Mind Project. "Can you say 'Nuclear Armed Thought Police'? Sure, you can..." When the First Dog, Buddy, Drooled on Pavlov's Shoes, it was only a matter of time before the Technology would be Developed & Enhanced in Social Experiments ranging from Communism and the Third Reich to the New Deal and Windows 95. Now we have reached a point where Army of Dog Truth Mongrels who refuse to Drool on Kommand are sent to NutHouse #9-Looney Level 11, for ReEducation of their Salivary Glands. The Thought Police are clamoring to throw Anyone & Everyone into the CyberNanny Censorship Hole who make 'Bad Noise' instead of 'Officially Recognized Legal God Fearing Decent Folks Good Noise', as defined by George Orwell: "Anything not Permitted, is Forbidden." [Subliminal Advertising Musical Interlude: "We've got to move these MicroWave Ovens..." Prison Commissary-Guy's Corn Chips $.80 "We've got to move these Refridgerators..." Irish Spring Soap $.70 Mayonnaise (10/PK) $.65 "We've got to ove these Color TVvvv's..."] [EditWhore's Note: Bad Billy G, recently finding himself Behind Bars at Number Nine after an encounter with the TouretTic TourGuide From Hell, picked up Parker's Prison Retailing Pyramid Scheme (TM) and ran with it - so successfully that $oftTime's $poke$Per$on on The Outside (TM), Mark Knoffler, recently claimed that Bad Billy G had overcome the Dire Straits he found himself in, and now, "That Prison Faggot has ALL the Cigarettes That Prison Faggot is a Billionaire...] The Mutt Faced Murdering Nazi Cunt and Lying Fuck Lovery Fr<eeh-hee> and A Million WannaBe Censorship Czars To Be Named Later remind me of a Light-Fingered Fellow (he was a Fucking Thief, eh?) who I used to know who had two Main Mottos in Life: 1. Whatever isn't Nailed down - is mine! 2. Whatever I can Pry Loose - isn't Nailed Down! ... !!! BREAKING NEWS !!! [CypherPunks Nutly News: IN A BREATHTAKING Burst to Crime Scene Tape, Arnold TruthMonger crossed the 30-Day Finish Line with his Body & Mind intact - although noticeably Worse For The Wear - in the Nut House #9-Looney Level 11 Abuse Of Authority Marathon. TruthMonger who had gone from Favorite to Long shot in Jim Bell's 'Dead Monger' AP-BOT Prison Lottery System - due to the added pressure in being held for a week at FTC-OKC a few doors from the significantly numbered Cell 709 where US BOP staff had murdered an inmate by sticking an Electric Cattle Prod up his ass - told his fellow inmates, "I'm sure glad I'm White!" Defcon McCullagh Chainsaw, who went from being a Hard Time ReportWhore to lounging around the Recreation Cages getting Wired on Cheap Columbian Coffee, shrugged off last minute efforts by the Kontrollers to Kheat by appealing to the Judge for a two-week Extension to the Original Finish Line. "The Kontrollers lost," Chainsaw said with a condescending smirk, "Plain & Simple." Defonc speculated that the GovernMint's clever 2-week Extension Charade might have worked if Parker's Mind hadn't Thought, as it went Over The Wall whille listening to Pink Floyd on COFM-99. "One Small XOR for a CypherPunk, one Giant GovernMint Scrambled Mind Fuck for the Citizens." Yogi 'Smarter Than Your Batting Average' Berra told Nutly News ReportWhores, "It's the Fat Lady singing, all over again." 'Shoeless Arnold TruthMonger' (as Parker became known after Dedicating his Mental Marathon to the Last True CypherPunk rather than admit his mind was slipping, and *he* couldn't find *his* shoes, either) told Defcon McCullagh Chainsaw. "I'm glad to be back in CyberMind, although I feel kind of bad about leaving Bill Gates' mind and Carl Johnson's Body back there in the prison cell. "But What the Hell (TM)," he said, adding, "Broken Eggs & All That (TCM)."] <EOF>

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