December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

IP: [FP] FW: Americans love a police state
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: "ScanThisNews" <mcdonalds(a)airnet.net> Subject: IP: [FP] FW: Americans love a police state Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 06:46:54 -0500 To: ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com [Forwarded message] [The driver's license/ID serves as the link, giving police the "authority" to set up so-called "DUI checkpoints." These are in reality ID checkpoints. That is the fact. They can stop you and ask to se the DL/ID because it actually belongs to the state and the state can demand it any time they like. The next time you hear someone talking about how great these DUI stops are, just remember, they are really ID checkpoints -- do you have your papers?] ------------------------------- WND - Letters to the editor http://www.worldnetdaily.com/e-mail/98.e-mail.html Americans love a police state I think I've said this before but I'm amazed how our society (America) has adopted like a favorite pet, the concept of DUI CHECKPOINTS. They don't even call them POLICE CHECKPOINTS but DUI CHECKPOINTS because the MAD mothers convinced America that everyone must be a drunk driver, therefore you need DUI CHECKPOINTS. Remember, it is for the children! I heard a news brief this morning telling viewers "this holiday weekend most law enforcement agencies in the city and county (San Diego) will be conducting DUI checkpoints." Then the report showed statistics of a checkpoint that was conducted last night saying 643 cars were checked and 4 drivers were arrested, three for DUI while seven cars were impounded. My math shows that only less than one half of one-percent (00.47 percent) were DUI in the checkpoint last night. This clearly should be evidence to the Beanie Baby collectors in their sport utility vehicles that people who are not intoxicated while driving are being subject to arrest for other items along with drivers having their cars towed because they missed an insurance payment or did not register their car because the new SMOG II standards caused their car to be classified as a GORE or GROSS POLLUTER. By the way, the insurance companies in America are some of the most corrupt and greedy institutions that contribute to all those politicians who require you have insurance. Talk about the oligarchs in Russia, we have them here already! As Americans we thought we had free speech and free movement but not with these checkpoints. And you know how they tell you that you can turn around before a checkpoint to avoid it? WRONG! The Supreme Court did rule that there must be a sign with a point that vehicles may do a 180 but the problem is that law enforcement actively posts a patrol vehicle or two with lights off near that turn-around point and then they follow whoever avoids the checkpoint and stop them on probable cause. When will these checkpoints seize cash if you cannot account for the $1,000 you carry? They are already doing this at the border leaving America. When will these checkpoints seize anti-government printed e-mail messages (I carry this kind of stuff in my car, sometimes books on the New World Order or Illuminati) because of a new ANTI-TERRORIST LAW? This week your friendly politicians held hearings interviewing Louis Freeh of FBI and ex-CIA Directors (most of the ex-Directors are dead now, i.e. Colby and Casey, etc., so I think they only had one to use) with an active discussion that items that were originally thrown out of the ANTI TERRORIST BILL need to be re-included to protect against those nasty Islamic terrorists. Sure! I also have a King James Bible in my car (been accident free for at least 300,000 miles) and maybe one day at the checkpoint they'll grab that and say "don't get caught with that again." "You know those Christians are dangerous people" the two cops will say to one another, "those Christians are against abortion and euthanasia, can you believe that Sam?" DARREN -----Original Message----- From: Jim Groom [mailto:gs924jfj@mon-cre.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 5:11 AM To: Current Events Subject: Americans love a police state ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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IP: " Will Y2K usher in TEOTWAWKI?"
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: " Will Y2K usher in TEOTWAWKI?" Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 12:49:38 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: Dallas Morning News http://www.dallasnews.com/texas-southwest-nf/tsw1.htm Turn for the worst? 09/06/98 By Victorial Loe Hicks / The Dallas Morning News A CAVE IN ARKANSAS - Will Y2K usher in TEOTWAWKI? Bryan Elder is sure it will - so sure that he'll be deep beneath the ground on Jan. 1, 2000. "As soon as I get a cave, I'm going to live in it," Mr. Elder vowed, wending his way through one Arkansas cavern. "I'll be the world's next caveman." Y2K is the pop-culture moniker for the programming glitch that left millions of computers and other devices unable to recognize dates beyond the year 1999. The disruption will depend on how many faulty mainframes, PCs and microchips - in everything from nuclear plants to VCRs - can be detected and fixed in the next 16 months. Most people regard Y2K with mild to moderate anxiety. But a flourishing subculture insists that it portends nothing less than TEOTWAWKI (tee-OH-tawa-kee): The End of the World as We Know It. "There won't be any accidental survivors," said Mr. Elder, who believes that computer failures will short-circuit the electric grid and the transportation system, fostering severe food shortages and social anarchy. "I'm not afraid of dying," he said. "I'd prefer not to starve to death." His scenario - which also envisions nuclear war, bombardment by asteroids, incineration by solar windstorm, the flip-flop of the North and South poles, an ice age and the second coming of Jesus Christ - is one of the more dramatic, even among Y2K alarmists. But he isn't alone in hunkering down. Merchants of survival goods say business is booming, primarily driven by new customers who are girding for Y2K. Anecdotes abound of city dwellers, including some computer jocks, who are poised to flee to the boonies, where they can store and grow food without having to fend off rapacious neighbors. Dallas systems analyst Steve Watson told Wired magazine that he bought 500 remote Oklahoma acres and several guns after recognizing the full ramifications of the Y2K crisis. Mr. Watson did not respond to interview requests from The Dallas Morning News. A vice president of the firm he works for, DMR Consulting, said Mr. Watson had come to regret his public stance, which "the company doesn't share." But in one respect, every cautionary voice is right. Y2K is absolutely guaranteed to happen. In a mounting wave that will crest powerfully on Jan. 1, 2000, computers will encounter dates in which the two-digit year field reads 00, which "noncompliant" computers will read as 1900. Depending on whether a particular computer needs to know what year it is - to calculate accrued interest, for example, or to track maintenance schedules of industrial machinery - it may go on working normally, produce bad data or simply freeze up. If enough computers fail - say, at banks or telephone companies - the whole country, perhaps the world, could wake up with a whale of a New Year's hangover. By some estimates, industries and governments will spend as much as $600 billion to make things right. Even so, the Gartner Group, a research firm that has studied the issue since 1989, forecasts that half of the companies around the world will experience some disruption of their operations, further sapping an already woozy global economy. Precisely who will get hurt, how badly and for how long is the question - a question impossible to answer. "The uncertainty factor is immense. That's what makes this prophetic material," said Dr. Richard Landes, director of the Center for Millennial Studies at Boston University. "Back when I first heard about Y2K, I immediately realized that this would be grist for the apocalyptic prophets' mills." At a vigorous 32, Mr. Elder hardly fits the hoary image of a prophet. A marketing major from the University of Arkansas, he ran his own hydraulic service company until a couple of years ago, when he began devoting himself to studies of biblical prophecies and other spiritual texts. "The angel of death, that's how I feel," he said. He wants urgently for others to heed his warning, to believe, as he does, that anyone who remains above ground faces certain annihilation. Once the power grid goes dark, as he is sure it will, the financial system will collapse, he said. "Then we're back to the barter system and 'How much food do you have?' " That's only a prelude however. On May 5, 2000, Mr. Elder said, most of the planets in the solar system will align themselves on the opposite side of the sun from Earth. That will trigger the solar gales and the asteroid shower, which will precipitate still further catastrophes. "The computer problem will weed out a lot, and the solar wind will get the rest," he said. "The time to prepare is right now." For prepare, read: find a cave. Mr. Elder has his sights on one near Cassville, Mo., that he figures can accommodate 125 people. If he can reach a deal with the present owners, he plans to add plumbing, ventilation, diesel-fired generators, grow lights and enough basic supplies to sustain life for as long as seven years. Everyone will share the costs - $11,743 per person, he calculates. Byron Kirkwood isn't ready to live in a cave, but he does plan to be prepared for Y2K. Which in his case is easy, since he runs a mail-order survival products business from his rural Oklahoma home. He started the company six years ago, after his wife, Annie, said she received messages from the Virgin Mary - which she passed on in a series of books - warning that cataclysmic "earth changes" were imminent. These days, though, most of Mr. Kirkwood's customers are more worried about whether Y2K will cripple the U.S. economy than whether the Earth is about to turn on its side and acquire a second sun. Mrs. Kirkwood said Mary has not explicitly addressed Y2K, although she did warn recently that "major changes . . . will come about through government, banking institutions and telecommunications. Your power sources will be interrupted, and your life will change drastically." "That sure fits Y2K," Mr. Kirkwood said, "but she didn't come right out and say, 'The computers will fail.' " In any case, he said, sales of his survival products are up five-fold over last year, with water filters, hand-cranked radios and long-shelf-life foods leading the list. A rack in his office displays freeze-dried entrees - pepper steak, cheese ravioli and chili - packaged with individual chemical heating units. Some orders have come from as far away as Hong Kong and Austria. Like many Y2K pessimists, he gets much of his information and does much of his business via the Internet - using computers to bewail humankind's impending betrayal by computers. "I'm not trying to be a doomsayer," Mr. Kirkwood said. "I only give TEOTWAWKI a 10 percent chance of happening." However, he said, if food becomes scarce, "there's not enough police, not enough national guard, not enough military to go around." Those who stockpile food, water and cash - or who head for the hills - may look foolish to those who don't, he said, but only time will tell who are the real fools. "Some of us will look stupid one way, or some of us will look stupid the other way," he said. "You just don't know which side of stupid you're going to be on." Although Y2K is a purely technological, secular problem, there is a strong nexus between Y2K anxieties and religious millennialism, which predicts a catastrophic cleansing as the precursor to a new paradise. Like the Kirkwoods and Mr. Elder, the Dallas Area Y2K Community Preparedness Group is overtly Christian. The Rev. Pat Robertson's Christian Broadcasting Network has extensive Y2K links on its Web site. And Dr. Gary North, whom some regard as the Paul Revere of the Y2K crisis, is prominent in the Religious Reconstruction movement, which advocates replacing the Constitution with biblical law. Dr. North used to live in Tyler, Texas, but he has moved to northern Arkansas, which, like eastern Oklahoma, offers solitude to separatists of various persuasions. "The millennial myth can take secular or religious forms," said Dr. Philip Lamy, a sociologist at Castleton State College in Vermont who studies millennial movements. Regardless of the form, he said, the driving force is angst about today's rapid social change - change as momentous as that experienced during the Industrial Revolution. "What a lot of millennial groups are trying to do is hold onto the past," Dr. Lamy said. "They are merely saying that they're afraid." Of course, fear is not an unreasonable response. "This is not a false issue," said Bill Wachel, a computer consultant who founded DFW Prep 2000, a forum in which industry representatives share information on the issue. "It's possible, yeah, that the whole world could come apart. Is it probable? No." Dr. Leon Kappelman of the University of North Texas is leading the charge for government to pressure crucial industries such as electric utilities, telecommunications and medicine to fix Y2K problems. He isn't anticipating doom, but he doubts that many Americans will escape unscathed. "I don't really know what the future is. I know there are serious risks," he said. "I expect life to be a little more difficult for awhile." He has no use for those who choose to flee. "Cowards would be a good word [for them]," he said. "Deserters." Dr. Landes, too, urges Americans to hang together rather than hang separately. "Y2K can be a gift," he said. "It's a test. How do we as a culture handle this - not only the problem, but the rhetoric surrounding the problem?" As Mr. Elder explored the cave he had chosen to demonstrate to a visitor the wisdom of his plan, he came upon artifacts of a earlier era's doomsday fears. Next to a sign designating the cavern as an official fallout shelter lay tins of 1950s-vintage survival rations. The tins were unopened and pocked with rust. © 1998 The Dallas Morning News ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. 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IP: Industrial Espionage Increases as Firms Seek Competitive Edge
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Richard Sampson <rjsa(a)sprintmail.com> Subject: IP: Industrial Espionage Increases as Firms Seek Competitive Edge Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 12:52:43 -0400 To: "ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com" <ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com> Industrial Espionage Increases as Firms Seek Competitive Edge Sep. 6 (The Record/KRTBN)--The place: the Four Seasons Hotel, Philadelphia. The date: June 14, 1997. On one side of the table, two men from a Taiwanese company hoping to expand into biotechnology. On the other, an FBI agent posing as an information broker, and a researcher from Princeton-based Bristol-Myers Squibb posing as a corrupt scientist preparing to sell a piece of his company's soul. On the table: a sheaf of papers -- stamped "confidential" in big, black letters -- representing the company's investment of hundreds of millions of dollars in Taxol, the blockbuster anti-cancer drug. The asking price, according to the FBI: $200,000 and a percentage of sales. The drama played out in that hotel room -- which ended when additional FBI agents burst through the door and arrested the Taiwanese -- marked the first federal sting operation against alleged spies for a foreign corporation. But industrial espionage today is far from unusual. U.S. companies are increasingly being looted of some of their most precious technical secrets by competitors -- both foreign and domestic -- using legal and illegal methods. And New Jersey's research labs and high-tech companies -- particularly pharmaceutical companies -- are prime targets. >From 1992 to 1996, according to one study, the number of cases of industrial espionage at the nation's 1,300 largest companies nearly doubled to about 1,100. The potential commercial value of the stolen information was pegged at $300 billion. Richard Heffernan, a Branford, Conn., consultant who conducted the study for the American Society of Industrial Security of Alexandria, Va., said New Jersey pharmaceutical companies -- including Merck & Co., Schering-Plough, Warner-Lambert, and Johnson & Johnson -- have all been targeted by corporate spies. The reason: the hundreds of new products in their research and development pipelines -- products that require huge investments in time and money. Those pipelines hold the potential for billions of dollars in profits. "New Jersey is one of the top 10 areas for corporate espionage," said Heffernan, who has advised a number of New Jersey drug companies on ways to protect their secrets. "This is not a new thing for pharmaceutical companies, and it's become progressively worse. There's so much money to be made from the theft of their information. That pipeline is a very deep, rich vein of gold." In addition to illegal intrusions -- which can include anything from hacking into a private computer to buying trade secrets from a company insider -- more companies are targeting competitors' secrets using legal -- but in some cases, unethical, or highly intrusive -- methods. Membership in the Society of Competitive Intelligence Professionals -- an Alexandria, Va., group that advocates the use of legal methods to gather business intelligence on competitors -- has skyrocketed in recent years, more than quadrupling since 1990. For the most part, competitive intelligence professionals analyze data from public sources -- news reports, databases, trade shows, and the like. But they also tap more questionable sources, such as satellite photos. And they have indicated a widespread willingness to step over ethical lines to obtain information on business rivals. In a survey published in April by the competitive intelligence group, participants -- all corporate spies -- were given several scenarios and asked to choose from various options on how to proceed. Nearly half said they were willing to misrepresent the purpose of their research, 30 percent were prepared to read a marketing report left on an adjacent airplane seat, more than 70 percent said it was permissible to pump a new hire for confidential information about her previous employer, and 20 percent were willing to read and use a competitor's proprietary product data. All of those tactics violate the competitive intelligence group's own code of ethics, and the last might step over legal lines as well, according to the survey's authors. "I think there is room for some very legitimate information gathering that's important for companies to do," said Gayle Porter, an authority on business ethics at Rutgers University. "But I think there are probably many, many, many examples of people taking it too far." In New Jersey, there are abundant examples of companies alleging that they have been targets of industrial espionage -- or who have been accused of targeting others. In 1996, Boehringer Mannheim Corp., a German drug company competing against New Brunswick-based Johnson & Johnson in the $1.75 billion market for blood-monitoring devices, sued J&J and its LifeScan subsidiary in federal court. Boehringer alleged that LifeScan offered employees incentives for spying on its archrival, and that LifeScan employees sneaked into Boehringer sales meetings in Indiana, Florida, Turkey, and Germany to obtain proprietary product information. J&J denied the charges and in a countersuit said Boehringer hired detectives to obtain secrets and had workers pose as customers. Boehringer acknowledged some of J&J's charges, including that it had reprimanded an executive for posing as an importer to obtain a demonstration of a product not yet on the market, and that it had maintained a "competitive kill team" targeted at LifeScan. But the two companies reached an out-of-court settlement in 1997, agreeing to keep the terms of the settlement secret. J&J spokesman Jeffrey Leebaw declined to comment. Boehringer did not return calls. Heffernan and others say industrial espionage is on the rise because of tougher competition in domestic markets, the targeting of U.S. trade secrets by foreign economic and industrial interests, and the combination of computer hackers with increasing technical sophistication and companies that are woefully unprepared to stop them. And they say one of the times companies become vulnerable is when high-level employees leave. Executives with knowledge of marketing plans for new products and researchers responsible for developing the next big scientific breakthrough are often exploited by their new employers to obtain a competitive edge. That is what Warner-Lambert of Morris Plains charged in a 1997 lawsuit that was subsequently dropped. The company spent 12 years and $17 million developing Procan SR, a sustained-release drug used to treat heart rhythm irregularities. The product won Food and Drug Administration approval in 1982. Warner-Lambert accused a former employee of giving the top-secret formulas for the drug to Copley Pharmaceutical Inc., a Canton, Mass., generic drug manufacturer she went to work for in 1984. Seven months after she joined the company, Copley asked the FDA to approve a generic version of the drug, which Copley eventually brought to market. Neither company would comment on the settlement that ended the matter, but Jason Ford, a Warner-Lambert spokesman, said the drug -- which was discontinued several years ago by the company -- was never a blockbuster. "It wasn't so much the stealing of the product," Ford said. "The main reason why we filed the lawsuit was to make it clear that we vigorously defend our intellectual property. It sends a loud and clear message that this is something we take very seriously." Another North Jersey company, the Wormser Corp. of Englewood Cliffs, also played a key role in an industrial espionage case involving a former employee -- not as the victim, but as the accused. The case centered on Frederick Marks III, a production manager employed by Powell Products Inc. of Colorado Springs, Colo., until 1993. According to a lawsuit filed by Powell in 1995, Marks took with him top-secret blueprints for a machine developed by Powell to mass-produce foam-tipped swabs more quickly and cheaply than any other machine then available. Powell accused the Wormser Corp. of bankrolling a plan to use the stolen blueprints to create a prototype of the Powell machine, and using the machine to compete against Powell. After two years of litigation, a Denver jury awarded Powell $2.7 million in damages and legal fees, but Powell settled with the Wormser Corp. for $1.7 million. Marks pleaded guilty to misdemeanor theft in February in exchange for his cooperation with the FBI. The Wormsers -- company president Stephen, and his sons, Alan and David -- have not been charged. David Wormser referred questions to Bill Meyer, a Boulder, Colo., lawyer who denied the allegations, saying the Wormsers settled with Powell to avoid "years and years" of legal wrangling. Powell President Stephen Robards said the Wormsers are the true culprits. "There's no question about it," he said. "The blueprints Marks stole would not have damaged us without the Wormsers' money. He didn't have the resources to start a business without them." Since the passage of the 1996 Economic Espionage Act (EEA) making the theft of trade secrets a felony, the FBI has become more involved in industrial espionage cases in which U.S. companies have been targeted by foreign or domestic interests. To date, five cases have been brought under the act, including one in July in which a Piscataway man -- a former scientist for Roche Diagnostics, a Branchburg division of Nutley-based Hoffmann-La Roche -- was charged with attempted theft of trade secrets from the company. According to the complaint, Huang Dao Pei tried to obtain secrets from a current Roche scientist about the company's hepatitis C diagnostic kit, hoping to market a similar kit in China. William Megary, special agent in charge of the FBI's Newark office, said individuals trying to steal American trade secrets are not "street thugs," but high-tech thieves who are "educated, resourceful, and elusive." "Our cases illustrate the complexity of not only how diverse the criminals are, but how diverse the crimes are, as well," he said. "The FBI is committed to enforcing the EEA. Our message is clear -- it is no longer open season on American technology." Even before the act became law, federal stings were not unheard of. In the Bristol-Myers Squibb case, FBI agent John Hartmann established himself as a technology information broker in 1995 and began laying a paper trail of more than 135 faxes, e-mail messages, telephone calls, and letters with the representatives of the Yuen Foong Paper Co., which would eventually lead to the fateful meeting at the Philadelphia hotel. Jane Kramer, a spokeswoman for Bristol-Myers Squibb, said the company uses "the most sophisticated techniques" for safeguarding its trade secrets, but she would not elaborate. When security is breached, she added, it is important for a company to fight the intruder with every weapon in its arsenal. "Taxol is a major advance in cancer treatment," she said, adding that the company's multimillion-dollar investment in research on the drug is more than repaid by its $1 billion in annual sales. "You have a dramatic investment in research and development that's the lifeblood of a company like ours. The ramifications are huge for our present and our future." In what authorities described as the largest industrial espionage case in U.S. history, a 1990 FBI sting led to charges against two men for stealing secrets valued at $1 billion from Merck & Co. in Whitehouse Station and Schering-Plough Corp. in Madison. Biochemist Bernard Mayles, a former employee of the two companies, and a confederate, Mario Miscio, were ultimately convicted of trying to sell the secret formulas for Ivermectin, an anti-parasitic drug marketed by Merck, and Interferon, a cancer and hepatitis treatment sold by Schering-Plough. An FBI agent posing as a Chinese investor who wanted to convert an idle factory for Ivermectin production agreed to pay $1.5 million for the formula and the microorganism used to produce the drug. He promised to arrange the sale of the Interferon formula to a Polish investor for $10 million. Schering-Plough spokesman Ronald Asinari declined to comment, but Merck spokeswoman Maggie Beute said her company has taken additional steps to safeguard secrets in recent years, including beefing up computer security and being more vigilant about getting vendors to sign confidentiality agreements. "There's so much at stake here," she said. "Anything that shortens the life of any of our products is going to have detrimental effects on our ability to recoup our investment in R&D. As an industry, we're very focused on making sure our intellectual property rights aren't violated." Illegal intrusions such as those against Merck, Schering-Plough, and Bristol-Myers Squibb have created a cottage industry for consultants who advise companies on how to keep their secrets safe. Andy Welch, a senior consultant at KPMG Peat Marwick's risk-management practice, said business has increased tenfold in two years. Two out of three companies who come to him for help are taking preventive measures, but the others have already suffered security breaches. Welch examines personnel policies to make sure there are procedures for deactivating computer passwords when employees leave. And he attempts to hack into the company's system from the outside to find its weak links, such as the ability to dial in to a company's computer system without a password. He said many companies are not prepared to deal with the threat of corporate espionage, especially intrusions into their computer systems, where many of their most valuable secrets reside. "The indication is that there is a large degree of unpreparedness out there," Welch said. "It needs to be taken seriously. I can't tell you with a straight face that everything is warm and fuzzy out there." By Louis Lavelle -0- Visit The Record, Hackensack, N.J., on the World Wide Web at http://www.bergen.com (c) 1998, The Record, Hackensack, N.J. Distributed by Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News. BMY, MRK, SGP, WLA, JNJ, CPLY, END!A$9?HK-BIZ-ESPIONAGE News provided by COMTEX. 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IP: [Fwd: Govt.Storing MRE's In Caves]
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: me <bucsplace(a)cchat.com> Subject: IP: [Fwd: Govt.Storing MRE's In Caves] Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 08:45:42 -0400 To: IP <ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------08FDE2A053FE721F529722FE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------08FDE2A053FE721F529722FE Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Path: news.dx.net!uunet!in5.uu.net!xmission!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 From: "Steve" <peach2(a)rocketmail.com> Newsgroups: misc.survivalism Subject: Re: Govt.Storing MRE's In Caves Date: 7 Sep 1998 23:00:31 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Message-ID: <01bddab3$a25f5600$d34ae5d0(a)maddog1.camalott.com> References: <1998090721534800.RAA12052(a)ladder01.news.aol.com> Reply-To: "Steve" <maddog1(a)camalott.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-499.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 I can vouch for the existance of these caves in KC.....been by there many times in the days of my youth( lived there '56-'88). The interesting thing is the government(FED) kicked the private business's that were using them for warehousing/storage out....declaring that the caves were unsafe and dangerous. Funny thing is.....they weren't unsafe enough for the FED's to use. Steve West Texas -- "We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." --- Abraham Lincoln "You know, of course, that this means war..." Bugs Bunny to Elmer Fudd: 1942 PAPACHUBY2 <papachuby2(a)aol.com> wrote in article <1998090721534800.RAA12052(a)ladder01.news.aol.com>... Hi, This is off the Ark list. Interesting. S. Below are two differnet notes that I received today. I took all the return paths off of these so that they can be passed around. I personally know both sources and they are EXTREMELY credible. Perhaps we can locate a source near Kansas City..to look into this (with pictures)......I am MOST curious... marie - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - name Here's the post I received yesterday from a Y2K chat friend regarding the situation. The second message is one I received today from him. He'll be keeping me posted on what else he learns. Jeff > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yesterday's Post------- Dear friends, As some of you know, I live in a poor and working class neighborhood in kansas city, and am involved with various activities that help poor people become less poor. As part of this, I often take in people who are homeless, or would be if not for a safe harbor. One of my housemates just got a four month temporary job unloading trucks at an underground storage center located near my neighborhood (KC has a lot of underground limestone caves that are used for storage). Anyway, this particular contract is a government contract, and the product being unloaded and stored is MRE's. that is, "meal ready to eat", which i believe is the current incarnation of the old army c rations. how many mre's are on a truck? all day, 8 hours a day, for four months. that is a LOT of meals ready to eat. Note that I didn't hear this from somebody who heard from somebody, i heard this from somebody in my own household who is unloading the mres, beginning at 7:30 in the am. Three things: First, I am comforted to know that this large amount of food is being stored here locally. Second, if you have any fiends or acquaintances who do temporary labor or casual jobs, you might ask around and see if any such operations are going on in your city.Three, somebody is taking this really seriously. mre's aren't cheap. Today's Post -------------- Dear Jeff and everybody, Today they unloaded nine trucks, and then were let go early because some additional expected trucks didn't show. It takes two guys about 1-1/2 hours to unload a truck, and each gets $35. Don't know if this space has been used to store mre's before, but that's on the list of questions to scope out. It does seem to be a government contract, the supervisors seem sure of that. It has been confirmed that this is new, that is, it isn't the regular cold storage location for Ft. Leonard Wood, etc. One of the other laborers said that each truck had 3500 cases, so today there were nine trucks times 3500 cases equals 31,500 cases. Anybody know how many mre's are in a case? This would seem to be literally an enormous amount of food, as if there were six mre's in each case, that would mean 189,000 means were unloaded today alone, and today was a short day. He was called back to work at 3:30 in the afternoon, but the expected trucks still didn't arrive. Note that the laborers apparently have to +spc- a certain amount of time sitting around and waiting. Since the contract is for four months, 22 work days a month, and if today's unloading was an average work day, and there are at least six mre's per case, then we're talking a minimum of 16,632,000 mres. Any way you look at that, it is a large amount of prepared food, being tucked securely away in a limestone cavern in KCMO. It's three meals a day for 500,000 people for 11 days, and that's the low estimate, since today was deemed a slack day by those doing the labor. - - - - -- Note: this is from another source... came in after the top portion.... > >>>>>>>>>>>> I researched MRE's just this evening to learn more about them. The full meal type MRE comes 12 per case, and the case weighs 17 pounds. So, for doing some math, double the figures you were dealing with. Using Robert's math that would come to 33,264,000 meals - using 22 work days per month, for 4 months, and the light work load experienced by Robert's friend that particular day. Assuming 12 per case, that's 2,772,000 cases at 17 pounds per case equals 47,124,000 pounds of food, or 23,562 tons. That would mean you could feed 500,000 people 3 meals per day for 22.17 days or roughly 100,000 people for just over 3 months (about 111 days actually). These are large numbers indeed and we can all look forward to learning more about this. Robert, can you put the local news people on it to open it up? Would that be wise or not? I don't know, but if appropriate, it's one heck of a story they may wish to track down. God bless all of you, << End of Forwarded message >> [snip] Local Y2K Update: I received a telephone call from a highly credible source. This informant told me that government employees recently attended a Y2K meeting in Orange County. At this meeting, one of the handouts was a listing of all the Mormon Canneries. Even more disturbing was the fact, these employees were casually told not to make this public so that they could have the necessary time to acquire their long-term storage food first. --------------08FDE2A053FE721F529722FE-- ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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Taxes & baseball...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, It occurs to me that if the fan who caught the ball and then gave it to McGyer had to pay a gift tax then so would the NLB, after all it was their ball until it left the field at which point they give it to the fan who catches it. I wonder what made the IRS back down from a cool 1.2M...? ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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WebSite Professional 2.3
by techsales＠oreilly.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Any good hacking sites?
by HyperReal-Anon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, M I T Flunky wrote: > > hey all, Hey, d00d! What be happenin'? My homies and my bro's are just a hangin', man! We be k-rad kool, d00d! > > any1 know of any good hacking sites that teach u the basics and stuff? Find somebody who has been the attacker in a recent axe murder. He'll be more than happy to teach you the basics and stuff, I'm sure, particularly if you lock yourself in stocks first. > also, any1 here into AOL hacking??? I prefer a chainsaw, myself. It does cause a bit of a mess, but the mess is still preferable to the AOLholes like yourself. > > thanx, > ~Fallen Angel No pro', bro', ~LamenessMonger > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Apparently you don't need a clue either. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Well, they don't punctuate the end of the sentence, but at least they put the protocol specifier on. > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Or at (800) 6NO-CLUE. LamenessMonger

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Austin: Meet on Wed. Sept. 16, 1998 (new location)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, The next physical meet will be held on Wed. Sept. 16, 1998 from 7-8pm (or later). We are meeting at the Korea House across the street from The Yellow Rose on N. Lamar. If you need directions please send a request to austin-cpunks(a)ssz.com. I am sure there will be some discussion about Toto as well as the database project we've been half-heartedly working on (if only work didn't take so much time). ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Netly News on Nutly News (resend)
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 05:42:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: politech(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: The Arrest of the Nutly Bomber http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/0,2326,201980909-14593,00.html TIME Digital Daily September 9, 1998 The Arrest of the Nutly Bomber By Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) [Part I of a Series For two years a pair of anonymous Net crackpots have been posting angry tirades to a cryptography discussion list under a takeoff of Netly called "Nutly News." Now the FBI and Royal Canadian Mounted Police say that a digital signature connects them to a bomb discovered last June in a Canadian courthouse.] It was about 5 p.m. on August 18. Carl Johnson, 49, was beating the heat inside the Rialto Theater in what passes for downtown Tuscon, Ariz. That morning a friend had tipped off Johnson that the police were trying to find him, but for now he had something else on his mind: his music. The itinerant musician and writer had spent the last month furiously scribbling lyrics, friends say, and he wanted a loan from someone he knew who worked at the theater. It was for some recording work, Johnson explained. This was going be his third album, after "My Way or the Highway" and "Please! Stop Me Before I Sing Again." But when Johnson left the Rialto, his musical career was cut short by two federal agents from the IRS's internal security division. They arrested him on charges of Internet threats against federal judges and police. The Canadians wanted Johnson, too, on charges of planting a bomb in a Saskatchewan courthouse.

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Netly News on Nutly News
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/0,2326,201980909-14593,00.html The Arrest of the Nutly Bomber By Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) [Part I of a Series For two years a pair of anonymous Net crackpots have been posting angry tirades to a cryptography discussion list under a takeoff of Netly called "Nutly News." Now the FBI and Royal Canadian Mounted Police say that a digital signature connects them to a bomb discovered last June in a Canadian courthouse.] It was about 5 p.m. on August 18. Carl Johnson, 49, was beating the heat inside the Rialto Theater in what passes for downtown Tuscon, Ariz. That morning a friend had tipped off Johnson that the police were trying to find him, but for now he had something else on his mind: his music. The itinerant musician and writer had spent the last month furiously scribbling lyrics, friends say, and he wanted a loan from someone he knew who worked at the theater. It was for some recording work, Johnson explained. This was going be his third album, after "My Way or the Highway" and "Please! Stop Me Before I Sing Again." But when Johnson left the Rialto, his musical career was cut short by two federal agents from the IRS's internal security division. They arrested him on charges of Internet threats against federal judges and police. The Canadians wanted Johnson, too, on charges of planting a bomb in a Saskatchewan courthouse. [...]

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