December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: Search engines and https
by Fisher Mark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I suspect this is just a hangover from the earlier days of the Web (1993-1994) when it seemed to me that a lot of Web content was repurposed from other sources (gopher, FTP, Telnet -- the old "page after page of links"). I suspect that http://-only indexing occurred so that the early search engines could manage the amount and types of data indexed. The other aspects are that: * https:// can be significantly slower to server off of a smaller server (http:// giving OK performance, but https:// being a dog), which may prevent some from serving more content via https://; and * Many of us find being your own Certificate Authority makes for greater security, as you never have to let your private keys out the door, but only recently have the tools for creating and maintaining Certificate Authorities and server certificates become really commercialized (i.e. GUI front ends, available from Netscape and Microsoft, etc.) These aspects, I think, have combined to reduce the number of pages served by https://, such that the search engine vendors probably haven't been bugged very much to index https:// pages. I expect this to change. > ========================================================== > Mark Leighton Fisher Thomson Consumer Electronics > fisherm(a)indy.tce.com Indianapolis, IN > "Their walls are built of cannon balls, their motto is > 'Don't Tread on Me'" >

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Re: Factor a 2048 bit number
by Peter trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Someone styling themselves as "Monty Cantsin" writes: >This number is the product of two large primes: >[big number deleted] >Yet, I believe that an enterprising individual will be able to factor >it. >Monty Cantsin If your belief has any basis in reality, I'd like to hear what it is. Schneier gives estimates for factoring 2048 bit numbers using both the General Number Field Sieve and the Special Number Field Sieve. SNFS is by far the fastest, and with that it would take 4*10^14 MIPS-years. All of the computer power expended in the RSA Symmetric Key Challenges (DES, RC5-56, etc) up to this point amount to, generously, 10^7 MIPS-years. This is only one forty-millionth of power needed. It's been said that 'Those who will not do arithmetic are doomed to speak nonsense.' You are proving the truth of this. RSA has a substantial prize for factoring much smaller numbers. It's estimated, for example, that RSA-155 (about 512 bits), could be factored in 500,000 MIPS-years. Peter Trei ptrei(a)hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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It seemed like a good idea at the time...
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It was a pretty simple plan. First, I stripped naked and painted myself blue. Then, I stood on my head and started sending posts to the CypherPunks list. Soon, I would be declared 'The Craziest Fucker on the InterNet' and be the host of talk-shows across the nation. Letterman, Leno, Springer-- they would all be begging for my presence on their programs. Little did I realize that my outrageous, insane offerings would be trumped, time and time again, by seemingly average folks who held down 'day jobs' in the heart of the mainstream computer industry. Despite the widespread media coverage given to the homeless people who wander the streets of America, babbling nonsensically to all who will listen, as a result of the government abandoning the funding of homes for the mentally ill and turning them out into the street...the media is obviously ignoring the 'success stories' of those who have managed to work their way into the heart of the computer industy, advancing their corporate status by mandating compliance with offically approved vaporware, and substituting membership in the CypherPunks mailing list for their previous mind-distorting medications. If it wasn't for Bill Stewart and Bill Frantz constantly referring to me as 'that *normal* guy', I "could'a been a contend'a." TruthMonger

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17 Dec '03

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Almost a good case for censorship
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I saw something in the supermarket that made me almost wish for censorship. The current issue of the Weekly Worldwide News has a picture of Jane Reno is a swim suit. Be afraid. Be very afraid. --- | "That'll make it hot for them!" - Guy Grand | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com|

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3rd Great Awakening
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> X-within-URL: http://www.fourthturning.com/html/third_great_awakening.html > The Third Great Awakening (Second Turning, 1886-1908), began with the > Haymarket Riot and the student missionary movement, rose with agrarian > protest and labor violence, and climaxed in Bryans revivalist > candidacy (in 1896). Gilded Age realism came under harsh attack from > trust-blasting muckrakers, Billy Sunday evangelicals, new woman > feminists, and chautauqua dreamers. After radicalizing and splitting > the Progressive movement, the passion cooled when William Howard Taft > succeeded Teddy Roosevelt in the White House.

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Re: FCPUNX:Tim plans to kill a federal judge
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:10 PM 11/14/97 -0700, Tim May wrote: > By the way, the same can be said about the work of Heidegger, a thinker who > has had some influence on me. Whenever I cite anything Heidegger ever said, > I can count on some numbskull to parrot the "Heidegger was a Nazi" shtick. Probably because Heidegger *was* a Nazi, who pranced around in full drag Nazi uniform and sent certain of his colleagues to the concentration camps. To very crudely oversimplify the relationship between Heideggers philosophy and Nazism, it goes like this. No objective, only the intersubjective, therefore the community defines reality, therefore truth is merely relative to the community. Yeah, I know it is more complex than that, but it still boils down to debates being resolved by hanging people from the ceiling with piano wire rather than by appeal to the external world. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Search engines and https
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

While trying to submit the cypherpunks.to website to a few search engines, I noticed that none of them seems to support indexing of https URL's. Is anybody here aware of a search engine that indexes secure web pages? And if there is no such search engine, what are the thoughts on using https to deliberately keep pages out of indices? Thanks, -- Lucky Green <shamrock(a)cypherpunks.to> PGP v5 encrypted email preferred. "Tonga? Where the hell is Tonga? They have Cypherpunks there?"

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Billboards as Sight Bites
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Duncan Frissell wrote: >Tim May wrote: >> It's time to "Just Say No" to the U.N. The John Birch Society makes >> more sense every day. > >US out of the UN and UN out of the US. Yup, seen the billboard. Evidently the JBS is starting a new billboard campaign on December 1st calling for the impeachment of Clinton. Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNHMDvOFWwZe05jcJAQF88Af9HdeeJWJ6hIzFN2gnBmF7bXtPg+MDWXqr K1GnOaqE+Vt5+GfJ19s4gnYBJwkGStlcVrN3sZDHyMIO5Ok0Zzov9NCCoO0TI4Vu DOEHM3qCnJLG/kfh2fa3GPJAFYxUH6uHyscu+yxhEmlx1AaL+a+A3aGn1nHaODu7 v1bkezS2zHRJ2778Q9kz5UzC7YcPjhIo7bGnxM0Thr/vb3X9o6N0OxzYckuy1WZg e3o2vKsqmOJN+bgIed8+K695zH2suymP5xpou22LGpkkVz8BHKHXKVkrGc/IOEMD c1LmPJjBLHZ32Iw1gifVRaPkfMQzY/gID/p90s3zCGSqQrZjPeArZw== =R7y5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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by http://www.musicblvd.com/ 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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