December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Tim May is in good company
by Jonathan Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I think the following quotes speak for themselves: "You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go around repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in their struggle for independence." Charles M. Beard "They tell us we are weak-unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on out backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until out enemies have bound us hand and foot? "We are not weak if we make a proper use of the means which the God of nature has placed in out power. Millions of people armed in the hold cause of Liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible. Besides, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. "Many cry 'Peace, peace'-but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! Why stand we here idle? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me Liberty or give me death!" Patrick Henry "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every Kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed..." Noah Webster Jonathan Wienke PGP Key Fingerprints: 7484 2FB7 7588 ACD1 3A8F 778A 7407 2928 3312 6597 8258 9A9E D9FA 4878 C245 D245 EAA7 0DCC "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." -- Samuel Adams "Stupidity is the one arena of of human achievement where most people fulfill their potential." -- Jonathan Wienke RSA export-o-matic: print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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RE: Br'er Tim and the Bug Hole
by Fisher Mark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bob Hettinga writes in reply ('>'): >> If Tim believes that a judge has committed a capital crime, I want to >> hear about it. > >Right. The judge made a decision that Tim thinks the judge should die for. > >My point is not the fact of whether the judge committed an "executable" >offense, or didn't. It was that Tim made a thinly veiled threat. To wit, Tim >implied that the Judge should be executed for his court decision. I'm saying >that guys with associates' degrees in "criminal justice" would love any reason >to make Tim a new wife of one of their permanent jail residents after a, um, >crack, like that, and Tim, more to the um, point, seems to, um, up the ante, >by sauntering down to the the jailhouse and pissing on the guard's shoes. > >Metaphorically, of course. :-). I think you're making a mountain out of a metaphor, here, Bob (sound of language processor set on "puree"...) In what seems to worry you about Tim, I see him just saying that if things he thinks may come to pass, do come to pass, he isn't going to go "quietly into that goodnight". I suspect his view of what is coming is influenced by where he lives (Corralitos, CA) just as yours is influenced by your location (Boston, MA) and my viewpoint is necessarily influenced by my location (Noblesville/Indianapolis, IN). It seems to me that a lot of social changes start on the West Coast, often including those of a greater governmental powers nature -- Tim may actually have more to worry about than you or me. Or none of us may have these worries *if* we make sure, in whatever ways we can, to influence others to resist the continuing encroachment of governmental power upon individual freedoms. Plus I think (from what I can see): * Tim likes to be prepared; and * Tim finds weaponry intrinsically interesting; so these elements enter his writing. To make a long story short (too late!), when I read Tim saying that the judge has committed a capital crime, I interpret that as he should be tried, and if found guilty (as Tim thinks likely so), then he should receive a severe punishment consistent with the nature of his crime. Both Tim and you, Bob, write very clearly and coherently. I have never read anything that Tim has written that makes me think he is anywhere near ready to make a "first strike" against government -- but if the government chooses to act illegally and unconstitutionally against Tim, he says he will defend himself as is his right. I dunno... Sometimes, Bob, I think that you and Tim have so much trouble because you are in such violent agreement about the importance of cryptography... ========================================================== Mark Leighton Fisher Thomson Consumer Electronics fisherm(a)indy.tce.com Indianapolis, IN "Their walls are built of cannon balls, their motto is 'Don't Tread on Me'"

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Re: (Fwd) Victory For Microbroadcasting!!!!
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Wow. I'm glad the monger himself liked this little tidbit. I thought it was relevant. On or About 14 Nov 97 at 0:46, TruthMonger wrote: > > At 11:45 AM -0700 11/13/1997, Ross Wright wrote: > > > > > >ANOTHER VICTORY FOR FREE RADIO BERKELEY & MICROPOWER BROADCASTING > > Great lead for tracking parallels to the gubmint's plans for the > Net, as well. > > Thanks =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://ross.adnetsol.com Voice: (408) 259-2795

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Hyperlinks case settles at door of court
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>The Shetland Times case has been settled - links will be permitted with >certain conditions > >See http://www.shetland-news.co.uk/headline/97nov/settled/settled.html And it was even settled reasonably, and without setting new bad UK case law. (For those who don't remember the case, the Shetland News and Shetland Times are Scottish newspapers with web pages. The News was linking from its page to some of the Times's stories without pointing out that the stories were in their competitor's paper, and the Times sued them. In the settlement they agree that the News may link to the Times's pages, and that they'll only do so with visible indications that they're doing so.) Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Re: Victory for Microbroadcasting
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The federal war against Microbroadcasting should be studied by all InfoWarriors who plan to shed their ElectroBlood defending the coming attacks against MicroWeb free speech. The Intenet Content Coalition (ICC) made a cheap grab at trying to form a corporate FCC to put the InterNet media-power brokering in the hands of those who already rule the roost overseen by the FCC. (Eliminating the middle-man, so to speak.) The fact of the matter is, the mainstream media is not going to have a lot of trouble herding the majority of the sheeple into their feeding pens, given the power, money and position that they already have, so it is a bit tacky for them to have made an attempt to put themselves in a position to 'enforce' standards favorable to themselves. The difference between MicroBroadcasting and the MicroWeb/WebRings that are being independently formed, is that MicroBroadcasting is trying to get back what was stolen, and those on the InterNet are trying to keep from getting what we already have, stolen in the future. TruthMonger ~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~ JUDGE WILKEN DENIES FCC MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGEMENT!!! National Lawyers Guild Committee on Democratic Communications 558 Capp Street, San Francisco 94110 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE COURT REJECTS FCC's CONSTITUTIONAL CATCH 22 United States District Court Judge Claudia Wilken has rejected another attempt by the Federal Communications Commission to silence Berkeley Micro Radio Broadcaster Stephen Dunifer, founder of Free Radio Berkeley. In a 13 page opinion released on November 12, 1997, Judge Wilken once again rejected the government's motion for an injunction to silence micro radio broadcasts by local radio pioneer Stephen Dunifer. In 1995, Judge Wilken rejected the government's first motion for a preliminary injunction against Dunifer's broadcasts. At that time the Court found merit in Dunifer's argument that the FCC's ban on low power, affordable FM broadcasting was a violation of the First Amendment's guarantee of free speech to all in the United States. In a blatant attempt to avoid facing its First Amendment obligations the FCC then urged Wilken to permanently enjoin Dunifer from Broadcasting and at the same time argued that she could not even consider the issue of whether its rules, which prevent him from getting a license, are unconstitutional. In a Kafkaesqe argument, the Commission argued that Wilken had jurisdiction to issue an injunction, but no jurisdiction to hear Dunifer's constitutional arguments. The government claimed that only the higher federal courts could consider the constitutional question. In her November 12 decision rejecting the Government's position, Judge Wilken pointed to the fact that the FCC had taken exactly the opposite position in the 1994 case of Dougan vs FCC. In that case, an Arizona micro radio broadcaster had appealed an FCC fine (for broadcasting without a license) to the 9th Circuit Federal Court of Appeal, and the FCC had argued that the Court of Appeal had no jurisdiction over the case, and that it had to be heard by the District Court. The Court of Appeals agreed with the FCC and sent the case back to the District Court. Judge Wilken noted that the Arizona broadcaster had raised the same constitutional arguments in the Court of Appeals that Dunifer is raising. The Court ruled that in sending all of the issues in the Arizona case to the District Court, the Appeals Court recognized that the District Court had jurisdiction over all aspects of the case. In denying the Government's motion for an injunction "without prejudice," Judge Wilken ordered the Government to file a further brief on the question of whether the unconstitutionality of the FCC's ban on micro radio is a valid legal defense to an injunction against broadcasting at low power without a license. Dunifer's attorneys, Louis Hiken and Allen Hopper of San Francisco, will have an opportunity to rebut the government's arguments on this point. In response to pressure from the commercial broadcaster's lobby, the National Association of Broadcasters (N.A.B.), the FCC has in recent months been stepping up its campaign of harassment against the thousands of micro radio stations now on the air in this country. Hiken commented "The broadcast industry is clearly afraid of these little community stations which are speaking truth to its power. In trying to do the N.A.B.Õs bidding, the FCC demonstrates that it is nothing but an enforcement arm of the commercial broadcast industry and the multi-national corporations which own it." The National Lawyers Guild's Committee on Democratic Communications has represented the Lawyers Guild, San Francisco's Media Alliance, and the Women's International News Gathering Services as a "Friend of the Court" (Amicus) in this case. In its Friend of the Court brief the Lawyers Guild pointed out that FCC regulations make it impossible for all but the very wealthy to even apply for a broadcast license. This, they told the Court, is the equivalent of saying anyone could speak from a soap box in the park, but the box had to be made of gold. Guild attorney Peter Franck commented "In an era when Disney owns ABC, the world's largest defense contractor owns NBC and CNN merges with Time which merges with Warner, and when 'public' broadcasting is told to get its money from corporations, micro radio may be our last best hope for democracy on the air ways." He continued "Judge Wilken's decision is a courageous rejection of the Government's attempt to use a legal Catch-22 to avoid facing the fact that its ban on micro radio flies in the face of the Constitution." The legal team representing Dunifer and the Amicae are very pleased with Judge Wilken's reasoned and thorough decision denying the FCC's motion to have the case resolved without a trial on the merits. For almost 70 years, the FCC has catered solely to the interests of commercial corporate giants, through their mouthpiece, the National Association of Broadcasters. These are the pirates, who have stolen the airwaves from the American people, and who represent corporate interests valued at more than 60 billion dollars. Only the Pentagon, the Silicon Valley and the transportation industries possess the financial wallop represented by the NAB and its constituents. Judge Wilken's decision represents a vision of what it would be like for the American people to be given back their own voice. The decision suggests the likely unconstitutionality of the entire regulatory structure underlying the FCC's ban on low power radio. It forewarns of the total failure of that agency to carry out its statutory obligation to regulate the airwaves in the public interest -- that is, in the interest of the American people, rather than the media monopolies that control our airwaves. The legal team welcomes the opportunity to have a court identify the real pirates of the airwaves -- not the thousands of microradio broadcasters who seek to communicate with the people of their communities, but rather the billionaire commercial interests that control the airwaves as if they own them. Is it General Electric, Westinghouse and the Disney Corporation that have the right to control local community radio, or is that a right that belongs to all of the American people, regardless of economic status? FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Peter Franck, Counsel for Amicus 415-415-995-5055 pfranck(a)hbmvr.com (days) pfranck(a)a.crl.com(evs, wknds) http://www.368Hayes.com/nlg.cdc.html Alan Korn, Counsel for Amicus 415-362-5700 aakorn(a)igc.org Stephen Dunifer, Free Radio Berkeley 415-644-3779 frbspd(a)crl.com http://www.freeradio.org Louis Hiken Counsel for Stephen Dunifer 415-575-3220 hiken(a)igc.org http://www.368Hayes.com Allen Hopper Counsel for Stephen Dunifer 415-575-3222 lazlo(a)igc.org http://www.368Hayes.com TO STEPHEN DUNIFER/FREE RADIO BERKELEY INFORMATION PAGE TO FREE RADIO BERKELEY LEGAL BATTLE PAGE TO NATIONAL LAWYERS GUILD INFORMATION PAGE TO THE OFFICIAL NATIONAL LAWYERS GUILD WEB SITE TO NLG COMMITTEE ON DEMOCRATIC COMMUNICATIONS PAGE TO FREE RADIO BERKELEY WEB SITE BACK TO LAW OFFICES AT 368 HAYES STREET

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MEGAVAPOUR ENCRYPTION [was CHALLENGE to Meganet VME...]
by Attila T. Hun 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- on or about 971108:1121, in <3.0.32.19971108112126.006dab28(a)ibcnet.com>, Matrix Encryption <matrix(a)meganet.com> was purported to have expostulated to perpetuate an opinion: >Dear Atilla, > normally I would not waste my time replying to an illiterate, ignorant flim-flam artist with a forced error [sic] of superiority to hide his/her paranoid insecurity. first: I am not, and have never been, a coward hiding behind a nym. I have been known by "Attila T. Hun" for more years than you have probably been alive. thus, the interNIC record: 20:56:01 attila 501-> whois hun.org Attila T. Hun (HUN5-DOM) 31 N. 700 E. Suite 134 St. George, UT 84770-3208 US Domain Name: HUN.ORG ... Record last updated on 31-Jul-97. AND Welcome to Primenet, Attila T. Hun Your last login was Thu Nov 13 22:19:11 PST 1997 USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT attila p3 attila.infowest. 7:02AM 0 w attila processing mail folders msgs lines chars message group 21 2157 98506 .incoming_mail 00:02:25 attila 501-> finger attila(a)primenet.com [primenet.com] Login: attila Name: Attila T. Hun Directory: /user/a/attila Shell: /bin/bash Mailbox last read: Fri Nov 14 00:02 (MST) Plan: ENCODE ALL MESSAGES WITH 2048 BIT SIGNAL KEY: 2048/463141C9 now, all that being said... it has been asked... "attila, who the fuck are you?" "just nobody, I guess; "well, let's see... "I have a Piled higher and Deeper in Information Techniques from Zuerich (undergrad at Harvard in dual honors physical chemistry); "I have been around since before the dawn of arpanet, probably even longer than TCMay; in fact, I was born before Franklin D. Roosevelt dusted off Wendell L. Willkie; "I've never held a job; "but, I have personally coded more than a few 250,000+ line packages, which made me quite comfortable at one time, even if more than one did go down the black hole (along with countless other projects like the bit-slice hardware and firmware to replace B3500s in missile silos); "I have been the hatchet man in a few bleeding tech recoveries; "I have been detained for crypto offenses by the Feds; "I have been detained for 'treasonable' technology export; and, I have been charged; "a long time ago, in a land far, far away, there was more than one tour in "deep-deep black" special operations; the battalion commanding officer for the 'Let's do some serious killing...' permanently vacant eyes, misfits; "a combat chopper pilot; an instrument rated multi-engine pilot; a rider of a 102 cu. in. 115+ mph qtr. miler hawg on the street; "plus a few other reasons to guarantee an autobiography to be found on the fiction shelf. "if you really want to know... just play Hotel California, but I live in the high desert country of Utah with a bunch of gun nuts (only state in the Union where opening day of the hunting season is a state holiday). "So, who the 'fuck' am I? Just another aging 300 lb gorilla, "Oh, yeah, I forgot, I hold a license to practice before the court in a couple European countries... "So, who am I, really? "Nobody, I guess, just attila! "you probably will not be last, you may not be next, but you are certainly too late to have been first." --attila >Youe letter show us that you might not be aware of all the facts >surrounding VME. now, let's get several important points straight out front: 1. matriculate in a liberal arts program for English grammar and composition; your writing is unintelligible, often contradictory --no class. 2. until you publish the algorithm[s] and the implementation code, you do not have a product, you have "vapourware" in the encryption business --your trust model reputation capital is zero. 3. anybody can propose a specification; but over the last 25 years less than a handful of the hundreds proposed, have been bullet proof --so far; they can still fail. 4. a 2^20 keylength is an absurd dimension, more than 120Kbytes; the efficiency for an average 2K memo is less than 2%. just handling the data stream is a load on both the processor[s] and the communication link[s]. if you are still with me... 1. I do not believe your claim that you have placed your encryption with 250 of the top software companies; there are not 250 software companies in the world who could afford your outrageous $1 million base licensing be --particularly for what appears to be vapourware. Nobody in this business places that level of financial commitment on the PASS line in las vegas. and to pay this fee annually? well, dreams are still permissable; but outside of that forum, your hypothesis is a dream. corollary: the way to make money is to sell millions of licenses at $10, not get down on your knees and pray that someone will lay $1 million on you for something which has not been proven in the trenches. 2. I do not believe you _ever_ had the $1 million prize money for your alleged contest. 3. I do not believe you even have a working model or beta release of the software. 4. I do not believe you are doing anything other than putting us all on. now, if we can get past the above problems for YOU to solve, and/or demonstrate the efficacy thereof, to US, the final "problem" in your demonstrated inability to communicate can be addressed: I did NOT ask to participate in your EXPIRED CHALLENGE; that was obviously a farcical expression of egotistical tomfoolery or shenanigans --maybe even hooliganism. that not withstanding, you never had the money to pay a claim; your ego told you there would never be a claim. I DID CHALLENGE YOU to publish your algorithms, source code, and implementations to the group for evaluation. if your hypothesis survives a rigorous exercise and proof of its claims, you will be a hero. if your hypothesis, which from this perceptive point appears to be vapourware, goes down in flames, you will be no worse a fool than any of the last crop of bulletproof pretenders. and that, my friend is living in the real world, not even the fast lane. the rest of your letter is hokey. ...it's your move. attila out... ------------ balance of your original drivel follows ----------- >Well, lets start: >1) The is no "secret" behind the VME flowchart - we have filed with the US >patent office, and when it's approved, anybody in the world can see the >flowcharts and diagrams. >2) We have given a select 250 major software corporations ALL of the >flowcharts, diagrams and even a WORKING COPY of the VME application. >3) Why don't we do the same with the general public ? a copule of reasons: > a) Due to VME key size (1 million bits) we are forbidden by the US export laws >to put > it on the Internet, which is a world wide platform (see Paul Zimerman & PGP >case). > b) For the above reasons we can not put any of the flowcharts, diagrams or a >demo of > of the application without violating the law and getting Big Bro real >upset. > c) VME is currently targeted at the large corporations and a site licensing >fee is > currently a $1,000,000 annualy, so we have no "General Use" version for >public use. >But, as I mentioned before, the top 250 software corporations DO HAVE the >flowcharts, diagrams and a working copy of VME. Therefore, we do have a team of >the leading cryptographers working on VME to credit or discredit our claims, >and that was the challenge all about to begin with. >Thank you for your interest in VME. >Saul Backal, >Project Manager. p.s. - I've noticed too late of the title to your email - just for your knowledge, the million dollars challenge have ended May 15,1997 and the current challenge bear no monetary prize. Take Care, Saul. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: No safety this side of the grave. Never was; never will be iQBVAwUBNGwYjrR8UA6T6u61AQHMTQH9HWjpk7vS6YfvyXRgQdy70X4YoptHA2Q4 asWcwSr962+JHNqbNPEgaBJbZWT4vesR+NsOtOCUNy4ylatwO3WeLA== =ymMn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Nader on CBS
by Carol Anne Cypherpunk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ralph was just on CBS "Up-To-The-Minute", bashing MS.... I think it is running every hour, so you might still be able to get it on the West Coast. I wonder though, if all this "Bill-Bashing" is somehow causing problems in the financial markets. Yet "Bill-Bashing" in the political sense doesn't seem to have done that. hmmmm... http://uttm.com/drive/ is their site, and there is a RealAudio clip available for the day owls..... Member Internet Society - Certified Mining Co. Guide - Webmistress *********************************************************************** Carol Anne Braddock (cab8) carolann(a)censored.org 206.165.50.96 My Homepage The Cyberdoc *********************************************************************** Will lobby Congress for Food & Expenses!!!

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Re: MEGAVAPOUR ENCRYPTION [was CHALLENGE to Meganet VME...]
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Attila T. Hun wrote: > on or about 971108:1121, in <3.0.32.19971108112126.006dab28(a)ibcnet.com>, > Matrix Encryption <matrix(a)meganet.com> was purported to have > expostulated to perpetuate an opinion: > >Dear Atilla, > 1. I do not believe your claim that you have placed your > encryption with 250 of the top software companies > 2. I do not believe you _ever_ had the $1 million prize > money for your alleged contest. > 3. I do not believe you even have a working model or beta > release of the software. > 4. I do not believe you are doing anything other than > putting us all on. I shook down their entire web site and could find no indication that these fuckers even existed before Oct. 30/97. (Shortly before their announcement of the supposed million dollar encryption challenge that expired in May/97, which no cryptographer I know has ever seemed to have heard of.) It is also interesting that there seems to be no actual mention of real, live people connected to their corporation, whom one can contact. (Although there is contact information for their press agents.) Meganet is either one of the best Bad-Encryption spoofs to the list, to date, or one of the best Bad-Encryption scams going. Maybe Maganet was formed by the press agent that DataETRetch fired. That would explain why they only seemed to have offered their challenge to corporations with no cypherpunks in them. I will shortly be announcing my Million Dollar Encryption Challenge which, unfortunately, expired on Jan 1, 1754. (However, if you check the Document Source on the files at my web site, they will confirm that the HTML document announcing the challenge was created in 1753.) BaitrickS MegaNut <bs(a)meganut.com> "Navel Ho' encryption products since 1753."

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Re: Br'er Tim and the Bug Hole
by goddesshera＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, Nov 12, 1997 at 01:16:36AM -0800, Blanc wrote: > Kent Krispin wrote: > > >Tim, like many, rationalizes his simmering anger by blaming it all on > >the "bastids in the gubmit". But it doesn't take much insight to see > >that there is something a little deeper going on, something a little > >sad. > .................................................. > > > By jove, I think I've "got" it - there *is* something deeper going on here: > > Tim is really an undercover 'narc' - through his provocative remarks he's > actually encouraging all the violent terrorists on the list to come out of > their lurking holes and reveal themselves. Then he's going to turn them > all in for a cash reward, which he'll use to buy more high-tech stock. > > Yeah, that's it! Could be, almost. He wouldn't be a narc -- he would work for another agency -- and he doesn't have to turn them in: they reveal themselves. In any case, he serves the function, whether deliberately or not. This message was automatically remailed. The sender is unknown, unlogged, and nonreplyable. Send complaints and blocking requests to <goddesshera(a)juno.com>.

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Re: Key Signing
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Stewart wrote: > I'm not sure how comfortable I am signing a key which has the > private keys made public - so I signed it, and revoked it, > and you're welcome to the signed revocation certificate :-) > > The keyserver says it accepted the certificate, but doesn't > find it when I query it for the key, but then it did that to me > earlier today, so I'm not sure if it's there or not. > (It's the server at http://www.pgp.com/keyserver/pks-lookup.cgi .) > > The KeyID was 0x61C747B1 - 512-bit RSA The PGP Keyserver could not find the key when accessed from the PGP web site (Find a Public Key), but when requesting it from inside PGP 5.0, it retrieved the key, revoking the key on my secret key ring, in the process. Necessarily Knott, ME (Although it _may_ be me, since I have not signed the message... Or is it the other way around? This is getting confusing.)

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