December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CNN logo Navigation Infoseek/Big Yellow Pathfinder/Warner Bros Barnes and Noble Main banner Click here to see the Q phone from QUALCOMM, the highest evolution of digital. rule CIVIL RIGHTS WEB SITE TO FIGHT CYBERHATE CivilRights.org November 24, 1997 Web posted at: 6:01 p.m. EST (2301 GMT) WASHINGTON (AP) -- Responding to President Clinton's call to fight hate crime, the nation's largest civil rights coalition and a regional Bell telephone company have created a Web site designed to combat Internet hate speech. The Leadership Conference on Civil Rights said Monday the site -- www.civilrights.org -- was developed and will be maintained for two years with a $100,000 contribution from Bell Atlantic. Clinton issued a call two weeks ago at a White House Conference on Hate Crimes to find ways to fight the problem. "You are providing an antidote to cyberhate," he told the civil rights coalition in a letter read by Transportation Secretary Rodney Slater at a news conference on Monday. Wade Henderson, LCCR executive director, said the idea to create a Web site was triggered by a proliferation of Internet hate speech by groups such as the Ku Klux Klan and White Aryan Resistance. Bell Atlantic chairman Ray Smith cited a study by the Anti-Defamation League showing the number of hate sites on the Internet has doubled to 250 in the past year. He called the new site "an antidote for poison." The idea is to "counter the frightening espousal of hatred and violence against Americans because of their race, gender, religious or sexual orientation," he said. Henderson said hate groups have become more sophisticated in communicating their doctrines and recruiting. "Instead of the street, they recruit on the net," he explained. There is also concern for the First Amendment protection of free speech, Henderson said. "This Web site will respond to hate with information and competing ideas without seeking to restrict Internet speech." In addition to providing information on hate crimes around the country, the site will explain various strategies to address those crimes and offer materials for young people, parents and teachers to encourage diversity. Copyright 1997 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. rule Related stories: * AllPolitics: Clinton denounces Denver's racial violence - November 22, 1997 * Denver seeks answers in apparent wave of hate crime - November 21, 1997 * Hate case raises Internet free speech issues - November 9, 1997 Related sites: Note: Pages will open in a new browser window * CivilRights.org - Leadership Conference on Civil Rights * Bell Atlantic * American Communication Association WWW Archives + Freedom of Speech + Human Rights Issues External sites are not endorsed by CNN Interactive. _________________________________________________________________ Infoseek search ____________________ ____ ____ _________________________________________________________________ rule Message Boards Sound off on our message boards You said it... [INLINE] Click here to see the Q phone from QUALCOMM, the highest evolution of digital. rule To the top © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Terms under which this service is provided to you.

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Re: Further costs of war
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Fabrice Planchon wrote: >Once again, if 1812 the [British] invasion [of the United States] actually occured,... They burned the White House to the ground. Does that count? ;-) Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHnAi5aWtjSmRH/5AQENvAf+MfWfYAmSUYz5jT6W81H07uWtvAAeC7YV rEIo+CLWkxnFBmpBEmuw0bmJEO7SPvgdL7+YrdACrNFuRvXyg6PvfdOOfET0XjC2 FC6atL8fO2TUHDVz47TV57vvBcThJogcUKxVloLgaQTxhoTFlY/VW70T9kvS3VWl uUPrj/d5cDAojcRLVDwqTBPcpeWOp2RloICqbfD5LGBXKVflcMtMLiXGGyR0Cgd3 O8KfYpt+BoiO/IZHqokgVWxN+s+Y9HhEXTWLE8jgxfhGlTLqJUqgR7JWM5Mlh5wG S+qeBKMowlkvi42CtpBFQ/8MtmEZnaiCQof4IcUgOfTFYnfjcJfmRA== =P7qe -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Seeing Both Sides
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Robert Hettinga wrote: >Concord is clearly proof that Britain didn't understand that they >couldn't control America anymore and acted on that misinformation. It >was *their* problem, as the revolution bore out. Britain would probably have been capable of controlling America had France not intervened. France provided desperately needed powder and money to the revolutionaries. During the siege of Boston it was seriously proposed that bow and arrows be employed due to powder shortages. Spears were actually prepared for use! France also provided officers to staff the poorly trained and organized American armies, troops, and even a navy. The final victory at Yorktown was largely a French operation, for example. Here is Richard N. Rosenfeld's take on it from "American Aurora": Page 418: "There are approximately 32,000 French soldiers and sailors at Yorktown, four to six times the number of George Washington's army, and more than twice, if not three times, the number of all Americans at Yorktown, including militia. Indeed, there are many more French soldiers on the ground than American Continentals. The entire blockading force at sea is French." Page 419: "Of French and American forces which encircle Charles Cornwallis at Yorktown, the naval part of this circle consists strictly of French warships (more than thirty) and sailors (nineteen thousand!). America has no warships in this naval blockade." Page 419: "Orchestrating the siege at Yorktown is strictly a matter for the French. Washington has no experience in siege warfare. The French perfected the art. Rochambeau has taken part in fourteen sieges! General Lebigne, the Chevalier Du Portail, and other French officers and engineers take charge of siege operations." Page 420: "Two French soldiers die for each American death at Yorktown. Two French soldiers are wounded for each American wound at Yorktown. French casualties exceed 250." Page 421: "British General Charles O'Hara, acting on behalf of General Charles Cornwallis (who has pleaded illness), attempts to surrender Cornwallis' (sic) sword to French Commander in Chief General the Comte de Rochambeau, but Rochambeau magnanimously refuses to accept the surrender weapon and directs the British general to George Washington." Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHnGVJaWtjSmRH/5AQH3hgf+LcvSRiufKxypdjVEXn5vbMa1Ob2IUfyY qSklLDEdYlRP2iOtl1dsLT/XIXaabo6F8lkAVqBXnXffiLd5ewzWs51jI9HEeoMa gtlfgUS49fxBeLeaojen1VVLvr4zkVWjATmspNk1SRu2l6Arc/3KgwPeYgX0A9+V 5fqguVO/frV4BH6wqnVyuKosO2DXoP8njVfjwuTybwO1yO1BQ4+EtgW1m6jkXIwE RjSZsGS7+KK2Ywu9eGWdC2Y0sOPG6k9zy/4zmm+xlttocYx75ixwCwYNWJihNfPe /uT8emxWak0aPAAynug6ZGPU3CXdRZ3JsWKB6a2s3kVgGiIQ2oLxrg== =ZZoe -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Iraq and computers
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Michael Wilson wrote that Reuters wrote: >WASHINGTON (November 23, 1997 02:35 a.m. EST http://www.nando.net) - >To conceal its deadliest arms from U.N. weapons inspectors, Iraq has >increasingly turned to U.S.-made computers sold in Baghdad since the >end of the 1991 Gulf War in violation of international sanctions, the >Los Angeles Times reported in its Sunday editions. > >Quoting U.S. officials and U.N. diplomats, the newspaper said that >Iraqi scientists and defense officials are using Western-made >computers to transfer data from bulky papers to small disks that can >be easily dispersed, making the information difficult for inspectors >to track. This is an interesting development because it also makes it hard for the Iraqi government to track what is going on, too. The government of Iraq has been aware of the dangers of computers for many years. At one time they were tightly controlled. Even typewriters were controlled. The government had writing samples of each one. Now, apparently, this policy is loosening. This suggests that U.S. policy of the last 8 years has managed to achieve what Saddam Hussein could not - it has made the Hussein regime a genuinely popular government. Still, it can't be universally popular. How many cypherpunks live in Iraq? Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHoZopaWtjSmRH/5AQG9ogf9FFdBqiwOk3gekieqIg3+Yr5pdaYM5/4v lIHPYuPM5IMpe8Wc1DX1FzG4YUC4hGMtj4w6eU8KNc3bSESVDPcU2boUVJtDjQp2 jUh13tKM/s6kwjQXKjH9j5G0cr1fsMrP9v7T4qNSEUA9VV8xI/Zqq7t/jLxncjSC jodmc/IcO5gPwxuvHLw8FR0/qpxuNJXSNWqzBptbT8vHldyPLg1E6rCOdWdNsDdN kvzyW9EXLbNWweK3ezFaWniytRbxE99poJN3iNcdsxjg94otIEpS3oCAJjuCmyrf HYRfv/Z5yzqpY5doAtdfy5RkvREwrINvCtLn+hgcBxQ0YTEDO8zUUg== =jyt7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: The Illusion of Freedom
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Nerthus wrote: >Monty Cantsin wrote: >>However, most people who engage in war are not in any sense free and >>the single most apparent feature of life in a military organization is >>the elimination of freedom and privacy. >> >>It is most often the case that in order to wage war, one must first >>become enslaved. > >Those who wage war are rarely the slaves. Those who die usually are. >The "cannon fodder" you mentioned. "Okay soldier, let's see that pass!" Is this the treatment accorded to a free man? Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHoUf5aWtjSmRH/5AQEp5wf+Msxpn/u0SRIxwAWsbTstxm2EK4PzUAg/ zZrPovQ/uhHjG0Wed3tAuaI2mK4EtTNoNEFhXkdbgDDGmsJj2eXeFVr7c0fMjHFt OSDJYuaHc26XYgiC6CqjBnn1viaoPXH873Fgo34v57tHOMqUMGWnKxLgr6DiGroz aZLVEsXJ0UN2C4Z2MuB2FB34MKgsg4TwwBlx33r5544vpHaURtnhedOBAurxpWE9 24WQs2NRh+ogvMk8XCg9stGwMSqR1cxfEkD4ogCWVdh5snvl8QYD3cw3j0fkiWsb YNJ6oqn9095/jBuJxXImd2Yc8a3fVeLlto8B2T/kVzcsfNVgOXdAGA== =tY4g -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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17 Dec '03

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New Algorithm (reposted)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello I send you links to my site where my crypto algorithm is published. I hope you will find time to visit it and see what I have discover. Algorithms I have design are Anigma and MEX128. Anigma is encryption algo based on use Variable Function Technology, it main characteristic is possibility to create unique encryption function for every possible key. This make algorithm strong to all known attacks, this is only my thesis I look for your help to find out is it true. Please visit <http://eon.pmf.ukim.edu.mk/~kbajalc/algo/index.html>. Documentation about Anigma and Mex128 now are available only in Macedonian. I will appreciate very much if you give me your opinion about Anigma and Mex128 or give me address of people who can do. Koki ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------- Kostadin Bajalcaliev http://eon.pmf.ukim.edu.mk/~kbajalc/ 26th of April Str. No: 14 91480 Gevgelija kbajalc(a)eon.pmf.ukim.edu.mk Macedonia kbajalc(a)informa.mk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------

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Re: Report on UN conferen
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mikhael Frieden <mikhaelf(a)mindspring.co> wrote reg. "illegal immigrants": > > In a much more fundamental sense, if they were not given > > constitutional protections they really could be rounded up and > > bussed across the border. > > And what would be wrong with this? > Not a damned thing. While in this country they are in the act of > committing a crime. Once they have been deported they have > stopped committing the crime and then they can plead to appear > in court. It used to be, that people are "felons under an increasing number of laws". Now we've congressed to an "increasing number of felons regardless of what they do" (their "crime" is being from "other side" of the pencil-lines, that the statists have drawn on their papers). Even the "freedom-loving", no-boundaries etc. Cypherpunks fall over those imaginery "border-lines", without having it ever dawn on them, that *everything* done now to "illegal immigrants" will one day soon be extended to the government-issued passport/digital VeriSign-Tax-ID bearing "Americans" as well. (Please refer to the "War on Drugs" for proof of patterns.) In fact, it's being done already. The systems developed to "track down illegal aliens" can track ANYBODY for that matter. AnybodyHomeMonger

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Re: Seeing Both Sides
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Robert Hettinga wrote: >Concord is clearly proof that Britain didn't understand that they >couldn't control America anymore and acted on that misinformation. It >was *their* problem, as the revolution bore out. Britain would probably have been capable of controlling America had France not intervened. France provided desperately needed powder and money to the revolutionaries. During the siege of Boston it was seriously proposed that bow and arrows be employed due to powder shortages. Spears were actually prepared for use! France also provided officers to staff the poorly trained and organized American armies, troops, and even a navy. The final victory at Yorktown was largely a French operation, for example. Here is Richard N. Rosenfeld's take on it from "American Aurora": Page 418: "There are approximately 32,000 French soldiers and sailors at Yorktown, four to six times the number of George Washington's army, and more than twice, if not three times, the number of all Americans at Yorktown, including militia. Indeed, there are many more French soldiers on the ground than American Continentals. The entire blockading force at sea is French." Page 419: "Of French and American forces which encircle Charles Cornwallis at Yorktown, the naval part of this circle consists strictly of French warships (more than thirty) and sailors (nineteen thousand!). America has no warships in this naval blockade." Page 419: "Orchestrating the siege at Yorktown is strictly a matter for the French. Washington has no experience in siege warfare. The French perfected the art. Rochambeau has taken part in fourteen sieges! General Lebigne, the Chevalier Du Portail, and other French officers and engineers take charge of siege operations." Page 420: "Two French soldiers die for each American death at Yorktown. Two French soldiers are wounded for each American wound at Yorktown. French casualties exceed 250." Page 421: "British General Charles O'Hara, acting on behalf of General Charles Cornwallis (who has pleaded illness), attempts to surrender Cornwallis' (sic) sword to French Commander in Chief General the Comte de Rochambeau, but Rochambeau magnanimously refuses to accept the surrender weapon and directs the British general to George Washington." Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHnGVJaWtjSmRH/5AQH3hgf+LcvSRiufKxypdjVEXn5vbMa1Ob2IUfyY qSklLDEdYlRP2iOtl1dsLT/XIXaabo6F8lkAVqBXnXffiLd5ewzWs51jI9HEeoMa gtlfgUS49fxBeLeaojen1VVLvr4zkVWjATmspNk1SRu2l6Arc/3KgwPeYgX0A9+V 5fqguVO/frV4BH6wqnVyuKosO2DXoP8njVfjwuTybwO1yO1BQ4+EtgW1m6jkXIwE RjSZsGS7+KK2Ywu9eGWdC2Y0sOPG6k9zy/4zmm+xlttocYx75ixwCwYNWJihNfPe /uT8emxWak0aPAAynug6ZGPU3CXdRZ3JsWKB6a2s3kVgGiIQ2oLxrg== =ZZoe -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Violence and Depravity
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- A Noncom To Be Named Later wrote: >Monty Cantsin wrote: >>Violence is, in nearly every case, a poor investment of time, >money, and energy. > >I disagree. I've removed the discussion regarding McVeigh's involvement. It is entirely possible he is an Oswald. I simply do not know. However, my discussion was really intended to consider the morality of war and to point out that McVeigh's alleged actions and alleged values are not far removed from those exercised by governmentally sponsored warriors. If you like, change all the names and call it a thought problem. >Consider that if this action was meant to revenge or commemorate the >Waco massacre, it achieved the opposite goal. However, if this was >the work of agents-provocateur, it worked beautifully. For the sake of discussion, let's say that the Oklahoma City bombing was the act of provocateurs hoping to increase the power and authority of the U.S. Federal government. It is the case that the use of violence has been applied to this goal successfully many times in the past. This certainly does call into question my claim that "Violence is, in nearly every case, a poor investment of time, money, and energy." Your observation and my claim are actually not inconsistent if you consider that I do not consider increasing the power and authority of most governments as a good thing. Let's expand the discussion to war. If one considers it desirable to: 1. increase taxes, 2. to waste vast resources, 3. to kill large numbers of civilians indiscriminately or methodically, 4. to kill large numbers of conscripts, 5. to destroy the land, 6. to create millions of people who will live the rest of their lives in post combat nightmares, 7. to lay the seeds for future wars, 8. to create thousands, or even millions, of orphans, 9. to cause food shortages and disease, 10. and to traumatize human society, then violence in the form of war is a good investment. Not too many people see this as desirable. I still maintain that in nearly every case, if one is intent on pursuing a worthwhile goal, it will not be attained through the use of violence. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHoSgpaWtjSmRH/5AQG+FQf/TRMgXwhH3nlJ27EMupdSxZoIwWQQRdkn g0E5PjVaB7E6xHuUpq+fKW7zqzm9egIEPa2aQxthXkghjiT+7yDZgkeLlbZ6NCs3 UtUTQUo57uHPHioojwI9Q+d2ENG+QTLIGHeaoOVDHPzMATffFCZ1B6qdBcjdHaJ3 BnxBviPffrfAMsl1C4foOTSrIonKKd74ad0j2vCefGN3w8c71RKilrTBFZfVEoD1 gKG+Dn8u4ea83QNLOR7zuJf8Zwsas9aqvaMD5qcQLZyhxm/ehm/UOqWQRdPDAb13 4o0Cd0kZ+3DyIs6dzi9PZVOge594rt6LBOPQfMcoB899t/SpxI0Q0Q== =a8p7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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