December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Washington on the verge of being nuked?
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Manhattan would be easily blown, remotely. Place a time-charge beneath a car at the head each principal subway line (which commence in other boroughs), set to blow at the main stations. For the West Side, supplement with a charge in the PATH train from Jersey. For the East Side, supplement with another in the LI Railroad from the Island. Forget anything above 86th Street, they'll applaud; like the WVA and VA hillfolks will hooray the destruction of see-navel DC and its high-pitch babbling wonks. As will anyone of any capital (or high-tech vale), globally, not drunk with power or mad to get it. That's what horrifies the powerful about of terrorists: they're both spitting images of their opponents. Both willing to kill indiscriminately for vainglory of blind faith and ambition. Both willing to betray their kind for a step up. Probably the stealth bombers will led by a highly trained ex-, or covert member, or Top Gun grad, of a duly authorized terrorist, wing, sub, cell set up to kill for a culture's honor and commerce -- for blood-drenched national security. USG and IraqG, any G, joined at birth, never separated, working in concert.

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"Ken and Brenda Kingston" <kingston@cheerful.com>: Telephone Scam Alert
by nibor55＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: "Ken and Brenda Kingston" <kingston(a)cheerful.com> To: "Bill Manago" <managob(a)primenet.com>,"Ken Kingston" <kingstob(a)fhu.disa.mil>,"Mark & Kay Barrett" <msblkb(a)primenet.com>,"Mike & Dianne Higgs" <homeys(a)primenet.com>,"Mike Roberts" <n9lem(a)aol.com>, "Rachel M Parker" <xyz987(a)juno.com>,"Robin Parker" <nibor55(a)juno.com> Subject: Telephone Scam Alert Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 20:07:14 -0700 Message-ID: <001601bd3375$82a232a0$b037c5a9@pc1> I want to let all my friends know about this scam going around. It does not matter who your local or long distance carrier is, this can cost you a lot of money. Please read and if you get a call like this, report it to the police and the FCC. If you have a caller ID, get the number too. Subject: High Priority message High Priority ** On Saturday, 24 January 1998, Naval Air Station, Joint Reserve Base, New Orleans' Quarterdeck received a telephone call from an individual identifying himself as an AT&T Service Technician that was running a test on our telephone lines. He stated that to complete the test the QMOW should touch nine (9), zero (0), pound sign (#) and hang up. Luckily, the QMOW was suspicious and refused. Upon contacting the telephone company we were informed that by pushing 90# you end up giving the individual that called you access to your telephone line and allows them to place a long distance telephone call, with the charge appearing on your telephone call. We were further informed that this scam has been originating from many of the local jails/prisons. Please "pass the word". Brenda --------- End forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

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17 Dec '03

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What's the latest in factoring?
by Alan Tu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi all, First, I want to say that because I've heard that traffic on this list is heavy, and I don't have time to file away 40 messages a day, you must write to me personally in order for me to see the message. My PGP key is provided at the end of this message. What is the latest factoring breakthrough (at least in the civilian world?) I had heard a while back that the most recent event was accomplished by Samuel Wagstaff of Purdue University, whose team factored (3^349-1)/2, which is a 167-digit number (about 552 bits). Is there anything more recent? Also, whereas 1024 bits was the commonly accepted threshhold for key lengths more than two years ago, what's the threshhold now? Because I have DOS (and like it) I use PGP 2.63ix, when should I retire my 1024-bit key? I don't expect anybody to answer that I should do so immediately, but can someone give me an idea on what people are doing in regard to key length? Sincerely, Alan Tu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv Comment: Requires PGP version 2.6 or later. iQCVAwUBNN0kkJezmBrl2RXhAQGxnAP9HyIvtTcOeN77s3p80OmSefhagtfxQGEm H3NqWzxrqEvfODat63UFDVxcf28cSSog3666Icys1nLY9JhNSFZrruejbRIJ6P4o AKHfxBwUSO00GvSyCl9nI5VjJDoRG2elDZf7iPP1M9h+IoTXuSDpdWnL9uBpqhvi SFg4sXOKEOA= =co6G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Type Bits/KeyID Date User ID pub 1024/E5D915E1 1997/04/27 Alan Tu <atu5713(a)compuserve.com> Alan Tu <102534.2165(a)compuserve.com> -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3i Comment: Requires PGP version 2.6 or later. mQCNAzNivkwAAAEEALdGUXD3j+RioIirVG46N6LaGD3YMMVVT5Mjwr5JojQsDICy 856I06Ugo/Fqid2A/os7v/gwE+Sj/WhMERgTsTejUZtsucTpS9sae+cc27Fjjq1l hOnqcLZqnHDDNyn3+jesVFPLnRlSoHbmcBK1XDW/SJT1anZz55ezmBrl2RXhAAUR tCBBbGFuIFR1IDxhdHU1NzEzQGNvbXB1c2VydmUuY29tPokAlQIFEDOguk6Xs5ga 5dkV4QEBBF8D/1B0ePqlMavWEUMP0uTmyvWFI7jooAcih6uHZFo2u+u3EzE2Is8X EoLHg39DhjleTHPu6TnGsWIiwDYEslzYeVw/Cglx6eliYIr/qs7peEywuhtZsEFH ln6yR9IE6rX3b3GCvPSQ5uPhXWrd2kWaZvG4rQ4Oj1m3yTrFaPRqCBPvtCRBbGFu IFR1IDwxMDI1MzQuMjE2NUBjb21wdXNlcnZlLmNvbT6JAJUDBRAzyUJWl7OYGuXZ FeEBAc4TBACT8gLtyE0C8NBGs9aDa9kHfeNzN8VbNfUpoOiWi4duAAZFiAt/e+ji J2BUMLIY8kzm2WX4mVzpKYjvea5TtHeQgbESV1HVZ5k7abENMUYz5nSMloOE+bb+ XRzgGgFF3htGXDJNywlLNgoYi5vTMT0pbGlCzOu215Cc4mFls2w1iA== =CM85 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Re: BBN
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Galombos and a World where Ideas can be Protected (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:33:41 -0800 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Galombos and a World where Ideas can be Protected > >If there were no copyright, markets for information and entertainment > >would definitely have evolved differently than they have in the US > >and Europe, and would use much different mechanisms for getting money > >to the producers of information, such as standard sale contracts.* > .... > > It's always hard to say how reality would look in a different universe, one > with, say, no copyright laws. Agreed, however the motivations that drive people to creative or constructive acts wouldn't change. > However, we have some indications, because there are some things which are > very much like "intellectual property" which, in fact, have no protection > in the courts. > > Namely, _ideas_. > > For better or for worse, ideas are not protected against copying, use, etc. Agreed, but the ability to carry through on them *is* criticaly dependant upon the social and technological infrastructure of the participants. > And yet society works fine. Those who keep coming up with ideas find ways > to keep coming up with ideas, and often to prosper, as writers, > consultants, etc., often because of their ability to generate ideas. True, but what you are leaving out is their ability to impliment those ideas, which most certainly depends upon the infrastructure that surrounds them. Ideas abhor a vacuum. In such an environment it is reasonable to assume that people would not loose their basic instincts, among them greed. So it is clear that people would not stop having ideas, but the milieu of those ideas would be restrictive and most probably very paranoid. If you learned of a particular process or idea it would not be in your best interest to pass it around. Further it would be very difficult to trust others because there would be no consequence to them taking your idea and using their resources (which the creator was depending on to actualize the concepts) to create the end product themselves. Remember the prisoners dilema here... > Think about an alternate world where ideas are protectable before saying a > world without copyrights would collapse inevitably. This is a straw man. We are discussing the issue of what would be reasonable to expect considering human nature in an environment where there was *no* protection of ideas and no redress of grievances through a legal system. Intellectual anarchy if you will. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: the best justice money can buy --Lessig (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 18:12:38 -0800 > Original-From: Bill Stewart <bill.stewart(a)pobox.com> > Subject: Re: the best justice money can buy --Lessig (fwd) > >If there were no copyright nobody would have any reason to market > >software or much else for that matter. I would predict that much of > >the technology and infrastructure we have now wouldn't exist. > >It would also stiffle [sic] creativity and new methodologies because > >there would be no profit in it to recoup development costs. > > If there were no copyright, markets for information and entertainment > would definitely have evolved differently than they have in the US > and Europe, and would use much different mechanisms for getting money > to the producers of information, such as standard sale contracts.* > On the other hand, if there were no colonialism, markets for sheep in > New Zealand would have evolved much differently than they did, > a problem they're now gradually working their way out of. The point is that it would *not* effect single instances or markets, it would effect the very fabric of trust that is inherent in a society that rewards creativity. If there were no copyrights and by extension no protection for the creator or implimentor of an idea we would have a situation where the groups with the resources would be the ones able to best actualize and therefore reap the benefits of ideas. In such an environment why would some individual choose to go head to head in a battle they couldn't win due to resources and a lack of a standard infrastructure? They wouldn't, they'd go back home and grow food and mind their own business. They wouldn't exchange ideas because it could be taken as a given that mail and other forms of non-direct communications would be insecure. >From this we can deduce that the actual target of delivery would very likely not receive it and that some intermediary would in fact take possession of that material and take advantage of it. So we can assume that people would not work on colaborations bigger than their immediate neighborhood. Now it is also clear that within that neighborhood some will have more resources to actualize ideas in respect to many of those who actualy create the ideas. In such an environment why would the individual increase this parties resource share to their own detriment? They wouldn't. > Copyright is certainly a major market convenience, because it means > that individual authors, middlemen, and readers don't have to > negotiate contracts each time they trade information for money, > or having to read the annoying shrink-wrap licenses on books > the way they did for a while on packaged software. It also > makes it more difficult for alternative mechanisms to evolve, > because it's got an 800-pound well-armed gorilla subsidizing it. The protection of ideas and the reaping of the actualization of the creation going to the creator is the issue, copyright is simply one of many mechanisms that impliment this fundamental belief of who should benefit. If we do away with this we are also doing away with a much deeper and fundamental aspect of modern society, trust that our toil will benefit us in the end. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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17 Dec '03

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Re[2]: SEC Rule Announcement
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text From: jmuller(a)brobeck.com X-Server-Uuid: b0fe6c76-9e59-11d1-b373-00805fa7c2de MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:39:08 -0800 Subject: Re[2]: SEC Rule Announcement To: "Robert Hettinga" <rah(a)shipwright.com>, <dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu>, "Arnold G. Reinhold" <reinhold(a)world.std.com> X-WSS-ID: 18C49FCB618-18C49FCB619-01 Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: jmuller(a)brobeck.com This is actually an NASD rule change; the SEC reviews proposed NASD rule changes and almost always approves them. The NASD rule change is in Notice to Members 98-11 (available at http://www.nasdr.com/2610.htm) and was approved by the SEC on December 31, 1997, effective February 15. The NASD views the change as simply clarifying a requirement that was already in place: the rule previously required that NASD member broker/dealers establish procedures for the review of all correspondence relating to solicitation or execution of securities transactions. The rule as amended will state that these procedures must apply to all incoming and outgoing written and electronic correspondence with the public relating to the firm's investment banking or securities business. The rule itself does not say anything about home offices, but in the introduction to the rule, the NASD says that it will "expect members to prohibit correspondence with customers from employees' home computers or through third party systems unless the firm is capable of monitoring such communications." My mama taught me if I can't say anything nice, I shouldn't say anything at all, so I will not comment on the rule. If you're interested enough to go to the NASD Web site shown above, you will probably also want to look at Notice to Members 98-3, which sets out general principles for electronic delivery of information between brokers and their customers. John Muller mailto:jmuller@brobeck.com For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "dcsb-request(a)ai.mit.edu" with one line of text: "help". --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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