December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Orthogonal (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 05:05:07 +0100 (MET) > From: Anonymous <nobody(a)REPLAY.COM> > Re: Orthogonal > > Oxford English Dictionary Word and Language Service > > Do you have a query about words, their > origin, meaning, use, spelling, pronunciation, > or any other aspect of the English language? > Then write to OWLS at Oxford University Press, > Walton Street, Oxford OX2 6DP, England. > > All queries willl be answered using the full > resources of the Oxford Dictionary Department. Like the rest of the mentaly mastubatory on here, you missed the *entire* point of my original question. How did the word get there, NOT what the word means. I KNOW what and how to use the word. Some of you people are fucking worthless for anything other than baiting. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | | | If the foo shits, wear it. | | | | Killroy | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: (off-topic--delete now) Re: Search warrants and Senate hearing o
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Michael Sims wrote: > Declan wroted: > > Somebody writ: > > >The free market approach won't keep medical records private. > > > > We haven't tried that approach yet, at least in the late 20th > > century. ... > > In other words, the reason a "free market" approach may not work > > right now is because the market isn't free. > Declan, every part of the "health-care market" that people are > complaining about, the parts of it that routinely and for fiscal > reasons violate people's privacy, are completely and utterly > dollar-driven and do not result from big nasty government making any > laws. Right. And you're going to use examples pertaining to huge health industry corporations who exist only because of the mountains of government regulations which keep small health care providers from providing simple, sane market options. > That HMO... > huge insecure insurance databases... > > Oh, there are a few examples of government-caused... Do not pass GoFuckYourself. Do not collect 200 Reputation Capital Credits. The totality of today's medical profession and health care system *is* 'government-caused.' You can't piss in a pot you keep under your bed without violating a hundred laws from the Health Department to the EPA to... Kiss your child's 'stubbed' toe 'better' and you'll end up in prison for unlawfully practicing medicine. > The US has the closest to a free-market in health-care information of > any of the industrialized nations. Earth to Michael! Earth to Michael... > Gawd, libertarians complaining about a market failure. I may cry. No. Libertarians complaining about government perversion of a free market. If you cry, make sure you wipe those tears with a towel that meets government standards. (Cost: $3,000.00) TruthMonger

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William Louis Pol J. Pot speaks...
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED OCT. 27, 1997 THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz Pol pot speaks On Oct. 16 Nate Thayer, an American correspondent for the weekly Far Eastern Economic Review, conducted the first known interview since 1979 with Cambodian Communist Pol Pot. The New York Times printed excerpts Oct. 23. ... From 1975 and 1979, as summarized by The New York Times, Pol Pot "turned his country into a vast labor camp, driving people from the cities and forcing them to work in the fields in primitive conditions. In the name of a radical agrarian ideal, he slaughtered the middle class; professionals, monks, artists -- anyone with an education, anyone with glasses. ... ... That death toll would be equivalent to executing 75 million Americans. And what does the enfeebled mass murderer now have to say? "Our movement made mistakes," he graciously acknowledges ... "I came to carry out the struggle, not to kill people," Pol Pot still insists. "We had no other choice" but to kill political opponents, he argues. "Naturally, we had to defend ourselves." But "To say that millions died is too much. ... Even now, and you can look at me: am I a savage person? My conscience is clear." ... And now, the sheer mundanity of this tired old man, confined to a hut and insisting there were "only hundreds of thousands." ... Even if the survivors in righteous indignation were to seize Pol Pot and tear him limb from limb, the central, nagging question would remain: "Even now, and you can look at me: am I a savage?" No. Pol Pot is not a savage. ... It took the massive organization of the modern nation-state -- the division of labor with its apparent dilution of responsibility, welded to the pervasive notion that academy-trained government "experts" know better than the common folk how society should be organized, and have the right to enforce those plans by force -- to allow Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, and Pol Pot to engage in "social engineering" on this scale. Nor were any of these characters stupid, or even uneducated. Pol Pot studied under the best of France's socialist intellectuals. That is what finally must be acknowledged here. These mass murders were an exercise in the gratification of intellectual notions of how best to "improve" society. A letter writer recently commented that it would be absurd to blame Pol Pot's socialist university professors in Paris for what he eventually did. No, it is not. Ideas have consequences. The idea that the wise "social engineers" of government have some right first to conscript our youth into mandatory uniform propaganda camps ("public schools"), then to begin "licensing" our chosen jobs, then to seize huge hunks of our incomes to fund these schemes (higher percentages from the rich, of course, as they seek like Pol Pot to "level things"), and finally to catalog and track our employment as well as our cars, our guns, and our money, will eventually lead by logical and inevitable progression to government deciding -- under the guise of whatever "emergency" proves convenient -- who lives and who dies. What thing did government ever find in its power, and not eventually try? This is what is really being debated, when lonely voices cry out for "less government meddling in our lives," while the statists now in power (yes, including "conservative Republicans") respond, "Sure, sure, We hear you. Less government, right. But first we just need to institute this new nationally standardized drivers license with an electronically scannable fingerprint, and a way to eavesdrop on all your phone calls and e-mail, and a new law to require your bank to report any cash transaction over $2500. "But we'll get around to giving you that smaller, less intrusive government you keep voting for, one of these days real soon. Just as soon as we outlaw eight more kinds of firearms before lunch. After all, private citizens aren't allowed to own firearms, at all, in really (start ital)civilized(end ital) countries like Germany, Russia, China, and Cambodia. Meantime, I'm afraid you'll have to get in line over there to give us your urine sample. ..." But they don't mean for it ever to go as far as it went in Cambodia. Honest. And if some of their armed henchmen (start ital)do(end ital) occasionally get carried away ... well, they can always claim "self-defense," or quibble about the numbers. Vin Suprynowicz is the assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review-Journal. Readers may contact him via e-mail at vin(a)lvrj.com. The web site for the Suprynowicz column is at http://www.nguworld.com/vindex/. The column is syndicated in the United States and Canada via Mountain Media Syndications, P.O. Box 4422, Las Vegas Nev. 89127. *** Vin Suprynowicz, vin(a)lvrj.com "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." -- Samuel Adams

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17 Dec '03

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Where are the tough guys when we need them?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim wrote: > America is emulating the Soviet "psychiatric prison" system. > Look at Roby Ridge, where some possibly eccentric old lady > is being beseiged by Waco-type raiders. Look for her to "set > her house on fire." > (Not to sound like the little dog in Oz, but: "Pay no > attention to the SWAT team pushing the nozzle of a flame > thrower under her door.") I can't help wondering if some former SPECWAR guy somewhere out there who took his oath seriously, just one, may not get a little sick of watching this stuff on the news and give the old lady a present and the Nazis a message one morning... a SWAT team sleeping the eternal sleep at their posts, their necks having been mildly adjusted during the quiet night. "Whatcha gonna do when they come for you, come for you...?" Nighty-night!

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17 Dec '03

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EU E-Commerce Report
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The EU-based Global Internet Project has published a new report on electronic commerce: http://jya.com/gip-ecomm.htm (29K) An excerpt on crypto policy: 1.No nation's cryptography policy can stand alone. 2. Immediate steps should be taken to solve pressing cryptographic needs that directly affect the global Internet. 3. Reliable and international systems for authentication and integrity should be established. 4. Governments and industry must respond to legitimate user concerns. 5. Users should be permitted to decide whether and the degree to which key escrow, trusted third party, or key recovery technologies will be desirable in their environments or not. 6. Trade barriers should not be disguised as cryptographic regulations. 7. Export controls on encryption should be made multilateral in practice and when used, focused narrowly and genuinely on national security threats. They should not be used as indirect domestic controls. 8. Governments should establish and publish the process by which keys will be obtained for government purposes. This process should include independent judicial review, time limits on access, reasonable notice to the key owner when this would not interfere with the purposes of the decryption, and opportunities for independent audit of compliance with legal process. 9. Liability for misuse of escrowed keys should be the subject of international understanding. 10. When key recovery is voluntarily chosen by the user, self-retention of key recovery information should be encouraged.

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Kyl S-474 Anti-Gambling Bill passes committee
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE APPROVED BILL (S-474) BY SEN. KYL (R-ARIZ.) TO PROHIBIT GAMBLING OVER INTERNET.<> - Senate Judiciary Committee approved bill by Sen. Kyl to prohibit gambling over Internet. As proposed by Kyl to panel, bill would have allowed states to allow Internet gambling, but provision was dropped when Sens. Biden and Sessions objected. [TELEVISION DIGEST, 66 words] Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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by business＠mail.t-1net.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Bob - FYI -- not sure if this was already posted ?
by Mark Grant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jonathan Wienke (JonWienk(a)ix.netcom.com) wrote: > Like a kidnapper is really going to encrypt a ransom note so the kidnap > victim's friends won't be able to figure out how to deliver the ransom > money. DUHHHHHHH! But what if you're out at lunch or on vacation, or just moved, and no-one can read the message because they don't have the key? We must have GMR encryption to FBI keys now, just in case! (That's not entirely facetious, I could see them making this kind of argument if CMR is widely adopted... it's not Big Brother, it's just another useful public service). Mark

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