December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Why can't they have it both ways for this one particular point? For instance, at netlynews.com, we have unmoderated bulletin board areas and "talk about it" sections where we want our readers to be able to speak freely -- no matter what country they're from. -Declan On Fri, 19 Jan 1990, Jonathan Gaw wrote: > I could imagine numerous scenarios where ISPs would prefer the telephone > company analogy of being a passive carrier, as opposed to the publisher > model. can they have it both ways? > > Jonathan Gaw > The Star Tribune > > Declan McCullagh wrote: > > > > My take on it is that overseas citizens have no Constitutional rights. > > However ISPs in the U.S. have rights that U.S. laws recognize and protect. > > > > If a U.S. law prevented an ISP from contracting to put a web site online, > > it would be like a law that prevented a U.S. book company from publishing a > > book penned by a German. Or the Netly News from publishing an article > > written by our London correspondent. Such a law would be facially > > unconstitutional. > > > > Perhaps the analogy between an ISP and publisher is inexact, but that's the > > type of analysis I'd pursue. > > > > -Declan > > > > At 23:33 +0100 11/18/97, Peter Herngaard wrote: > > >Does the First Amendment prevent the Congress from passing > > >a law that would make it illegal for anyone who is outside the United > > >States to > > >set up a web site in the U. S. in violation of a local speechcode? > > >For example, a German nazi organization could establish a WWW site in > > >California out of reach > > >of German law. > > >Would it be constitutional to make a law barring foreign citizens from > > >violating the speech > > >codes of their home countries using a U. S. ISP? > > ------------------------------------------------ > Jonathan Gaw > The Star Tribune > 612-673-4237 (voice) > jgaw(a)startribune.com (e-mail) > 425 Portland Avenue, Minneapolis, MN 55488 > http://www.startribune.com/etherblot > ----- Wasting Digital Bandwidth Since 1986 ----- >

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Dr Doobs'CD (was Re: technical issues of the list)
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> up on the web, ready for people to mirror. Dr. Dobbs' Journal sells >> a Cryptography CD-ROM with AC v 2, etc. on it for $99, and combined with > >Has anyone actually received this yet? I ordered mine in August, and I I called a couple of days ago. they said it should be shipped within 2 weeks...

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RE: export restictions and investments
by Jack Oswald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am also aware of a company called VASCO that bought a crypto chip maker in Belgium which was apparently OK too. Jack -----Original Message----- From: Jyri Kaljundi [SMTP:jk@stallion.ee] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 1997 4:45 AM To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com; cryptography(a)c2.net Subject: export restictions and investments How do the US export restrictions affect investments into non-US crypto companies? Is it legal for US private persons or companies to invest money into companies developing strong crypto applications for example in Europe? Since Sun bought the Russian Elvis+ company it seems to be Ok, just wanted to check if there are any other opinions. Does anyone know of any other non-US companies that have received US investments, or venture capital or whatever? Jyri Kaljundi jk(a)stallion.ee AS Stallion Ltd http://www.stallion.ee/

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Dateline / Nov. 18/97
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"I break the law by engaging in prostitution." "I break the law by doing illegal drugs." "I want others to go to jail for breaking the law, based on my testimony." Did the concern for the upholding of the letter of the law, by the allegedly abused woman, the police and the prosecutors, extend to requiring the accuser to be punished for her own violation of the law? I can hardly wait for the school-yard crack dealers to testify in the hate-speech prosecution of concerned parents who call them 'niggers'. Is it my imagination, or are there a lot of people going to jail based on the testimony of people who want other people to be prosecuted for crimes, but who don't want to be prosecuted for their own crimes? God Bless what the mainstream press still claims is America! TruthMonger

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ITAR
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If someone writes a piece of software, a networking layer, or anything else with support for later cryptographic enhancement but doesn't actually include the cryptographic implementation and it is later added by somebody outside of the United States does this fall under ITAR? In other words the original U.S. authors wrote the software with support for crypto, function hooks, etc. They didn't include any crypto at all. Somebody outside the United States uses these hooks and writes strong cryptography. These modifications are kept as patches and never exported from the U.S.. Is this allowed? What if the U.S. authors are actively collaborating with the non-US authors?

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Nonookie Matsurbatshi's final offer...
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

TruthMonger wrote: > > * News of the Weird reported in 1994 on the controversy over who > owned the world's largest cow hairball > In the course of his work at a local beef plant, > Canchola plucks out the non-championship hairballs, dries them, > has colleague Frank Alcala paint faces or scenery on them, and sells > them for $50 each. For more details: http://misty.com/chop_chop.htm

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NBC Mugs Jim Bell
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

An NBC News story this evening on the threat of CB terrorism full-screened a closeup of Jim Bell's mug shot, the same as the lead photo in US News last week. The story presented much the same line and Internet sources of frightening information but did not balance it with a sidebar on burgeoning anti-terrorist opportunism as did US News.

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Re: e$: Snakes of Medusa on Wall Street? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:10:17 -0500 > From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> > Subject: Re: e$: Snakes of Medusa on Wall Street? (fwd) > > At 3:14 pm -0500 on 11/18/97, Jim Choate shows the benefits of being on the > top of a CDR address stack :-) : > > > Um, I believe that went from the late 1500's to the early 1700's at best. > > Nope. Check it out. As defined in any decent book of American history, > well, maybe one that hasn't been too "revised" :-), the "Great Awakening", > which gave us most of our American-flavored religions, happened in the > early part of the 19th century, though rumblings started shortly after the > revolution. I did a little web-search (still being at work and deprived of my library) but what I can find clearly indicates the 'Great Awakening' was fininished by the mid to late 1750's. Most of the sources that I found from Alta Vista give the beginning of the Great Awakening as the late 1600's to early 1700's. While I clearly put the beginning of the movement too early (I always get this confused with the beacon on the hill jive) all the evidence that I can gather shows that it did *not* extend into any part of the 1800's. As I understood the movement it didn't survive the American War of Indipendance. I used Alta Vista and search terms of 'great' & 'awakening'. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Overcoming War by Making Friends
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Anonymous <anon(a)anon.efga.org> wrote: >Monty Cantsin writes: >>One of the things that appeals to me about the tools the cypherpunks >>are developing is the likelihood that they will end war. What >>percentage of wars are instigated and organized by governments? >>That is, how many wars can we think of in which a war originated in >>the population of country and dragged its unwilling government into >>the fray? I cannot think of any. > >That's a good point. Cypherpunk technologies should actually >_reduce_ the scope of violence, killing, death. And really, once we drop all the propaganda memes, isn't it sort of reasonable that if people are able to talk to each other without fear of retribution that the right things are going to happen? >It's ironic that some of the greatest supporters of crypto privacy >are also the ones who call for more killing, who support terrorist >actions like the Oklahoma bombing or a nuclear massacre. They don't >seem to understand what this technology is all about. Oh, but The Masters of War understand all too well what this technology is about! "The story is told of Sir John Hawkwood (1.) that when two mendicant friars greeted him with the conventional 'God give you peace', he retorted: 'God take from you your alms.' When pressed for an explanation, he replied: 'Why do pray to God that I should die of hunger? Do you not know that I live by war and that peace would undo me?'" 1. Hawkwood was a highly successful English leader of mercenaries in Northern Italy during the 14th century. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHICqZaWtjSmRH/5AQFS7Qf9H2nW2cJSZCWiVVArQOVHHW9dPCpYDpbI VERttztxiOO4TOgIFu0UylC2odJ5QR+pI4KvpTZiGJrBZX+ctCt81B8axT+1PKUE frgx+oiIOCQtmcMsJWnfTNklltX0Zh8APuIcNYwmcJqr8cuIGsotCiDYhJXnGYCP /Uu8KzlN8GwWkIPUiDcKDNrWinYJHiKiB6u1o2iuyedUoW5GKrF8TFSifXm2Mn4O Va4FqUB5lcgN5tIHejATQV19tGofzQfuagrUABbxzUQyjkwLG1jwtVZv6Yk3t2vB O67UTwuT2/XsVZ5T9VikU6YYVbDJ+grbVJyvSrEaMvVR7U+G+Y6HAw== =Wrf+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: export restictions and investments
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Tue, 18 Nov 1997, Jack Oswald wrote: > > I am also aware of a company called VASCO that bought a crypto chip maker in Belgium which was apparently OK too. At this point a brief overview of modexp accelerators might be in order: o the Belgian chips I've seen are too slow. o the Rainbow board is OK, but non-exportable. o the Chrysalis PCMCIA card has the same performance as the Rainbow board at half the price. Also non-exportable. o the Ncipher SCSI based accelearator screams, but it a bit pricey. UK product. Exportable (?) http://www.ncipher.com/ o a high-end Alpha also performs rather nicely, according to some benchmarks Eric Young once posted. -- Lucky Green <shamrock(a)cypherpunks.to> PGP v5 encrypted email preferred. "Tonga? Where the hell is Tonga? They have Cypherpunks there?"

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