December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Tim May's offensive racism (was: about RC4)
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Anonymous <anon(a)anon.efga.org> >This illustrates what a liability the poster has become to the >cypherpunks. The group is becoming just another militia front, >identified with racism and white supremacy, applauding violent murder >of government agents, one step from applauding the Oklahoma killings. >Its original purpose all but forgotten, the list has died, poisoned >by the hatred flowing from its leader. What would be the most effective way of managing the problem you perceive? Probably by writing the kinds of articles you would like to see on the list. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNGtyvpaWtjSmRH/5AQGnuAf8DuLcPSSxta4H5/1C0Apwn98wB2sSn4NT 4VcIfgZo/xQrQcb5HjMIj6F1mJ2modxqM4o33/SqKjceMZxGKPh3lmzraiogM7TS V/saJqc0hS4Dx7FheUeA6l6WO1vlLmDBgWBF6Wza4F2finYdviB7YOKA2PW9Qm9w uC1SQEO90mZfNHbQPYUAFXmVMSf9fvLbJL273YViV8NDWI6Fgca9gc5MZKuOyv2G 1IreweSHPfJLi0005bMKFrQWdMW+0DPUBoDTXLAzL87b9P7oRL+iDdrGqF9tc2H8 SJQ8WZpi2/tCMK15UQyNkFydm3gS29wjhToZQWK07T18SC6tDqcpww== =vTAR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Find the Mole in the Mirror
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- John Young wrote: >Monty Cantsin wrote: >>The right thing to do is to assume there are a certain number of moles >>around and engineer your activities accordingly. If you really think >>you can Find The Mole, then I would think your first step is to keep >>quiet about what you are doing. > >Like, if you will, Monty Cantsin, the venerable generic pseudonym for >sub rosa strategems. You fingering yourselves, Monty? > >If you haven't been IDed as a mole here yet, you will, probably by >your own woefully engineered statements. > >All of us are moles for one ideology or another, maybe for several if >the blowing wind tosses us that way. What's the point of being here >if not for relishment of deceitful faux combat, to draw out the enemy >(enemies) as Tim and Bob admirably display in their artful allure of >ulterior motivated peacemakers and condescendors, me for one, as >Declan love jousts CDT, as many us pisswind DC, NWO, ZOG, Armenians, >Nipponese. No, I mean a real mole. The kind that gets people killed or imprisoned. Actually, the nature of this particular group imposes some twists on Find The Mole. If this were some church group, and we tapped the phone of a suspected mole, and all we could get is 3DES encrypted speech, we could be pretty sure we found one. But that doesn't work around here. Anytime you see somebody doing something unusual, it is just as likely to mean it's Just Another Cypherpunk Who Is Up To Something. Likewise, operators of a mole will have a terrible time determining mole loyalty. A problem with informants is that they sometimes discover the target group is made up of pretty reasonable people and go native. And since using remailers is part of the cover... Moles can burrow in two directions. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNGtwoZaWtjSmRH/5AQFW1Af9Fu1B4bSiUbIiJuJnE48Xv/qScqldFqzT htUV4ZPHNzNvb3hQpaZMq5P1Lnyil2ZyhCA7u8ld6zbwfTc9JNMxb6OmWQN+pXdt 5ceDScGKtbp5uLtyaW0MbRvYPhY9RTvCl4IQbu++6AojiGd6/JxJFHD8L7XOlWV6 /IgfJ4r3aldRXZQpo+jTN2BL4HuvcrUSbBcj4H/rT7iZTS+Id1ZaR2FwxT01+z1g NaNxjaa83zlCyIUfRydPCmUPzk1lBjVQ3D6FKJjQ2A/PpQAly0Ynz6WQEYqE8h5N vA7vlm7W48kDS86DvK7RCaSe0w19BHcWQxyhDprAYUQ+XIrD2jZNaA== =mzrr -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Appeals court says CDA blocks liability for Internet providers
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=4th&navby=case&no=97152… Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:14:23 -0500 From: Patrick Carome <pcarome(a)WILMER.COM> Subject: Fourth Circuit Rules in AOL v. Zeran I want to bring to the attention of this group an important decision issued yesterday by the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit in a case that I argued on behalf of America Online, Inc. The Fourth Circuit affirmed the decision in Zeran v. America Online, Inc. that has been a frequent topic of discussion in this forum. In particular, the Fourth Circuit held that Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act (47 U.S.C. § 230) "plainly immunizes computer service providers like AOL from liability for information that originates with third parties." In an opinion written for a unanimous panel by Chief Judge Harvey Wilkinson, the court affirmed a ruling by the United States District Court for Eastern District of Virginia that is reported at 958 F. Supp. 1124 (1997). The case concerned the question of whether AOL may be liable for allegedly being unreasonably slow to remove a series of allegedly defamatory messages posted on AOL message boards by an unidentified third party. The Court of Appeals based its ruling on Section 230(c)(1), which states that "No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider." The Court of Appeals also rejected the argument that Section 230 should not apply in this case because the messages at issue had been posted before the statute was enacted.

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Re: Key Signing
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Bill Stewart wrote: > At 01:21 AM 11/10/1997 +0100, Necessarily Knot, ME wrote: > >I am including the key (below) for my new nym, which has not been used > >before, and would like for people to sign it and send the signed key > >to the list. > >This way, people will know by the signature, that it is, indeed: > >Necessarily Knot, ME > > This was bizarre - what did you do to create the key and the ASCII version? > I imported the key into my PGP 5.0, and saw the double-key icon, > which says I have the private key as well as the public key, > and sure enough, it was willing to let me change the passphrase > (which was previously not set.) I was testing the procedure outlined in Epilogue 5 of InfoWar on a friend's machine and, sure enough, I got PGP 2.62 to spit out the private key he had created as Necessarily Knott, ME. > I'm not sure how comfortable I am signing a key which has the > private keys made public - so I signed it, and revoked it, > and you're welcome to the signed revocation certificate :-) Perhaps we have inadvertently taken key-signing to a new level. i.e. - develop software that will allow a user to have another user sign the key and then, when revoked, the software allows the user to sign with the revoked key, but not to recreate it or change it in any way. The software could be marketed to cryptographers with low self-esteem. > The keyserver says it accepted the certificate, but doesn't > find it when I query it for the key, but then it did that to me > earlier today, so I'm not sure if it's there or not. > (It's the server at http://www.pgp.com/keyserver/pks-lookup.cgi .) I added the secret key to the keyserver, and it also said it had accepted it, but does not show it on a query. > The KeyID was 0x61C747B1 - 512-bit RSA > > - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 > > mQBNAzRmZWoAAAECAMnJrqd/TERCLeFscdgNvwVxrVG4tRm0VThMEXXkctCGMaUD > jcETxcV0ZseRUcyUKfqlLd3CRsIwClozlWHHR7EABRGJAFUDBSA0bAHUClozlWHH > R7EBARcXAf9oQLI0CvkPpxPLcUgdlolZ6J9Y5f5AAeX169o6SPtxaJBaHp0C39+0 > h4EimgD+TB4kiCWvklDhkTDckAxweIjbtBVOZWNlc3NhcmlseSBLbm90dCwgTUWJ > AJUDBRA0bAGS+fMmybV+y8UBAYRCA/99H8XcS1h0X0l2vQ5zPqmOSiYQ0mfi5dXZ > iMOlqlnFzVyus3L6sIr9X7Xyzg8emaNfLslQBqiagLRyVVc6e5wTVSXOKQoMzqTm > s26OA/e+/1oZHx3mCgrJm2YWyjOVm8Vx1BwbrFSgTVgdiaKbeVKrj9Zbx178BYqs > Gd1RHLXjWQ== > =ANSy > - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > > But hey, since I've got this bogus key around, might as well sign > something with it :-) > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 > Charset: noconv > > iQBVAwUBNGwEogpaM5Vhx0exAQGupAH/duqAF915VFqxcFHk3wlmXzmU2DDQv9nP > 6FM0rU2MSfiFmfQu76dBAyriBAdEzk1Ry+oyZiWIlixGZYbLaXLU8Q== > =5ZQC > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Yep. That confirms that your message was sent by someone who is Neccesarily Knott, ME. Took a few days for you to reply to the message. Have you been waiting for the wee hours to see if you could narrow down the list of senders by seeing who is online at the time you receive a reply? I could add latency to this anonymous email, but that would be tacky. Necessarily Knott, ME -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBNGwftQpaM5Vhx0exAQGYzAH9HMbEev5KxJs9cqzYm4wbXv8+7Atxx5D/ gymQS2nhxp2aupDIewq9JkzK++VN7JAZJqyexrimiOh7ndvwI7ZOvA== =H6JV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Pointer?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I would like a pointer to the best source of information in regard to export laws about PGP. Please send the information privately encrypted to the key below. (my address is included in the key) Thanks -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 mQENAzLxHkoAAAEH/2dyJjKwOGNNWawJ6LOYjU1vuY/N0ZZ3DLg7wfF4wgGhSi7W GKpiF4xwInKTfL5kI1KsrCngSZ0PDUU1O7esZ1o/ojvwsUgYjrMR5xHX9+tU33s+ 42Ac80j2SXuUKjjQUrcdH1h+m+1fMCEGlGWCd0dDdWgb7soLolRR/cctRvZY7gRb ccslk1dXNv87s3SJ556iSZd6e0Zzuqfgu3Ymb/aeFPVWj869cnYdIa++JKv0Snfz N24kXJsNZnAEtjLy751M6x2VpuOMy2oY+yHN4OGh5L2qfI5Ru75L7ga5lQEHQvR0 tCqsArUxmOPYledGaXXe0biDHDhCCXa52l7M1I0ABRG0NVByZXR0eSBHb29kIFBy aXZhY3ksIEluYy4gQ29ycG9yYXRlIEtleSA8cGdwQHBncC5jb20+iQCVAwUQMvEV hWV5hLjHqWbdAQHgtAQAh85mL4aesW7SteK5RLnl+Y/AKCBbOSF8Ec1g0UqG6kny 9QvaFRX9vfIhQsCGocpT7bMd13LWRlmDN9Dbyt8PCGQ+tru7f3RcHAKxOWU7sLiw xIQ6Vk8VL2KY5Td0jMUq7uiZuh63TNP8TLaMy+tfnLV1VUAPMBI0iXH7HTmRjqOJ AJUDBRA0bGFsnxN5TbzAQrEBAVrfBACQy0VIjTSPUamMvtrf706w52BlCLut5Xu3 qZYa6NEgGBdrJpqfKhNvtX3gPTP0UqBJF1qXivlNlFQuqs6rtkub+ax786dQ6RVM owgz7lPRePCcVHhX7WNWQLj/YYCWYwoQlzU9KLnJdt8GOQT+qiYFB1IjCsI5D7w7 0rIrq8heLg== =/bSN -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Re: [OB: CRYTO] Re: about RC4
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ryan Anderson wrote: > On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, Anonymous wrote: > > > > (And they wonder why we kicked Japan's butt.) > > > Because they couldn't speak a non-native language perfectly? > > No...because they couldn't speak a 'Native' language perfectly. > > Cherokee! > Navajo, if I understand what reference you're making. :-) You are > referring to the practice of using Navajo Indians for much of the > top-secret communications during WWII, right? Right! It is em-bare-ass'ing to admit that my second 'guess' was going to be Comanche... I'm not too dumb to use a Search Engine, just too lazy.

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Re: Mad as Hell
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Blanc wrote: >Tim May wrote: > >>Colorado state Senator Charles Duke, also in the studio audience, >>spoke about the 10th Amendment Sovereignty Resolution, a modern >>version of Magna Carta designed to force a constitutional showdown >>with the federal government. > >This sounds interesting! This is what I had in mind, in that other thread >about "What Will Revolution Look Like" Be wary of the faux freedom advocates who hide behind the 10th. Duke and his ilk seek to pull the rug out from under the feds so as to impose their own version of law on their "constituents": CDA-morality rammed down the throats of hapless citizens living within the wrong borders. In many cases, State Sovereignty is just another phrase for the "Petty Bureaucrats Reempowerment Act": moral dictators hiding behind the flag of freedom. As for me, I'll take Individual Sovereignty over State Sovereignty on any day. The 9th Amendment states: "The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." I leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine what those "others retained by the people" are. (hint: I'm not talking about Civil Rights) >(In a silly mood, I could see a gathering of such supporters in a large, >crowded courtroom, all wearing T-shirts saying, "It's *ShowTime* !!!" ) Given the public interest in Court TV and the OJ trials, it seems the US justice system has become a form of entertainment. Nothing wrong with wearing a T-shirt that states the obvious. How about an interactive TV show called "Kangaroo Court" that lets the viewers at home be the jury? "Press 1 to fry him, Press 2 for a slap on the wrist, Press 3 for ... " Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNGtaieFWwZe05jcJAQE/Sgf+KC+8suk475bcEtE9b4mix8o8ZyyOH6RK VE+fn6BSYny+0vkoG84g1+K36IB/1f6DiZ3R0+/OqH4cUbxtp0zVBN60UhNzx4ee g2Vmdyeo+uHfNgB7CUvI4/YYAANNKPsDprYjxbGkmIrpaZIeVx/Ta623vjualyef tDZu6Zbn+n3vZxev+mQtwZBEur7LrDjlnlF8FnADs5SOc2L5MhxizV0zOFx2Gszt 6qU+m0sPfHibrEF+yRfemhdX//E98SSsxbnLCLmSOT9lX1uu4aX1OK9ekhnltcft iDzzesTBT/bFm35s8zdnMoh5cEsf08nF7I24JP3tdVJrCXX+4XRDlw== =kP2L -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Hyperlinks case settles at door of court
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Stewart wrote: > >The Shetland Times case has been settled - links will be permitted with > >certain conditions > >See http://www.shetland-news.co.uk/headline/97nov/settled/settled.html > And it was even settled reasonably, and without setting new bad UK case law. People acting reasonably and settling their differences without resorting to promoting strict new laws enforced by armed agents of the government? The end of the world _really_is_ drawing close, isn't it? [That wasn't an earthquake...that was the people in Hell, beginning to shiver, from the cold.] BrrrrMonger > (For those who don't remember the case, the Shetland News and > Shetland Times are Scottish newspapers with web pages. > The News was linking from its page to some of the Times's stories > without pointing out that the stories were in their competitor's paper, > and the Times sued them. In the settlement they agree that the > News may link to the Times's pages, and that they'll only do so > with visible indications that they're doing so.) > Thanks! > Bill > Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com > Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Re: Mad as Hell
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:23 am -0500 on 11/13/97, Tim May wrote: > >:-). Actually, Tim, I don't think it's dangerous, at least to me > >personally, and to anyone else on this list, for that matter. What I said > >was, you're counterproductive to your own cause (you could become a poster > >for statism, as I said before), and, if you continued to directly threaten > >the lives of people who had the power to hurt you, in public, with direct > > You have now repeated this "Tim has directly threatened the life of a > federal judge" charge several times. > > This is false. Well, I certainly used two forms of the word 'direct', right there in black and white, didn't I? And, having just watched Nat Hentoff say on TV that a threat would be something where you specified the time and place of some kind of violence against a person, maybe your saying something like, > But in many ways, this is good news. The war is coming faster than I > thought. > > The judge in this case has committed a capital crime. was *not* a threat against a judge? Right, Tim, if you say so. I expect that, in the legal, Hentoff sense, it's not a threat. After all, you didn't specify a date and time, and you didn't even say you, personally, were going to do anything at all. However, it's probably more than enough reason for someone with too may kevlar coats back in the office closet to trump something up and force a confrontation with you, just like they did with Bell. Well, no. Bell's arrest was just a byproduct of his car's siezure, like they said in the papers, wasn't it? Nonetheless, it's well within conception that, since everyone's breaking the law somehow, that something you're doing or have done would be used to cause a percipitating event, which you yourself say you would respond to with force. Astoundingly, it also seems like you're *trying* to create a confrontation. You seem to dare to them to do something so that you can meet them at the door, Mossberg in hand. "Please don't throw me in that briar patch", in other words. For instance, just last night, you said, > And the rumors are mounting about a series of possible raids around the > holidays this Thanksgiving Day. The FBI has acknowledge the fax sent out as > legitimate. > > While militia members and Cypherpunks may not be able to withstand a full > out war for very long, the mere willingness to defend oneself can itself > act as a deterrent. This is basic game theory, basic strategy. It sounds an awful lot like Fort Apache, Corrolitos, to me, Tim. > You claim I am doing "the cause" a disservice. Well, your "cause", whatever it is, certainly. I'm not sure, for instance, that holing yourself up behind a steel-reinforced door with lots of fun firepower is doing much for the spread of strong cryptography, I'll grant you that... > I claim you are spreading > misinformation and trumping up a charge which you must hope is being read > by the Feds. Right. And when Thanksgiving day comes, Tim, and the no-knock doesn't happen, or, even more interesting, nothing happens anywhere on Thanksgiving day, what are you going to say about my "misinformation" attack, then? That it "failed"? Remarkable. You win no matter what, right? Prove to me that there is no conspiracy? Or flying saucers, or whatever else? :-). Frankly, Tim, I don't think the Feds really care about you, or anything you've done, to date. Or at least they wouldn't, if you weren't, like the forest knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail, daring them to hack off another limb all the time. It seems to me that, before this little interchange we've been in, where someone finally stood up and said that the emperor had no clothes (at least as far as kevlar outerware and the global conspiracy to destroy the American Way is concerned) you would have continued to try to bait the federales, imaginary or not, with inflamatory trolls like those above, apparently in the hope that you could force a showdown with them. Hell, maybe you'll actually make it happen, someday. I guess I won't be surprised when it does. Or particularly care, even, given your vitriolic reception the mirror in your face. > You sicken me. Um, well... Take a pill, maybe? Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Tim May's offensive racism (was: about RC4)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> At 10:37 PM -0700 11/12/97, Nobuki Nakatuji wrote: > >There are RC4 sourcecode in ftp.replay.com. > >but, Is it same RC4 developed RSADSI ? > > > > It am developed. > > You go back where you came. You go back hotmail. We tired your stupid > questions on RC4 and your Misty posts. > > Sayonara! > > (And they wonder why we kicked Japan's butt.) > > --Tim May This illustrates what a liability the poster has become to the cypherpunks. The group is becoming just another militia front, identified with racism and white supremacy, applauding violent murder of government agents, one step from applauding the Oklahoma killings. Its original purpose all but forgotten, the list has died, poisoned by the hatred flowing from its leader.

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