December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Arguments for good crypto and against GAK.
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199706051819.NAA06360(a)einstein.ssz.com>, on 06/05/97 at 03:00 PM, "Peter Trei" <trei(a)process.com> said: >In short, it's possible to pro-crypto, anti-GAK >without ever getting near sounding anti-government; >in fact, being pro-crypto, anti-GAK can be a >conservative, anti-crime, law & order position. Well the real problem here is not GAK it is just a symptom. The problem is the position that our current government and especially LEAs in that government have taken that we have no rights. That the Constitution and the Bill of Rights have no meaning unless it is politically convienant to them. I don't see how anyone can look at the governments behavior in its push for GAK and not have utter contempt for them. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM5i/ZI9Co1n+aLhhAQHxRAQAytDQhogRQkzsD88hYhWWFZen44tVj3zd nAnlF+fqxBmitzcI/iSiH9QT//lLlr5FzUCFG2g/aasuo9j0AzcXc4pM87itvbfj WFJSZ7l8aN2xAkpWrIJoRo6C90tsPKWoqy3G9N/legeJPKrBx4gtpiuWv0wTBgDA OGerKywdxnE= =y+Qb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Privacy in Europe
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The recent post by John Young about the German woman charged with linking to Radikal caused me to investigate this issue. You may have heard that Radikal had an article on sabotaging train systems. The article simply stated that if you break open a certain type of control box found next to train tracks and yank the circuit boards, the trains will refuse to enter the given track segment. Hardly the worst of possible sabotages and considerably less fatal than other methods discussed on a mailing list near you. BTW, the woman has now been slapped with a new charge. Apparently it is illegal in Germany to publish criminal complaints. [Due to privacy regulations?] Since the woman has the official paperwork detailing the charges against her on her web site, she has now been charged *again* for violating the prohibition against publishing the official court documents. Things are better in Europe? You must to be joking. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred

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Re: Steak Knife Decryption
by dshipman＠ewol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:44 AM 6/7/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Maybe, if the robber can convince the victim that she (robber) is >irrational and would hold on to her promise not to kill him, she could >get the money. But how to do that? > > - Igor. > > Maybe she (robber) could turn turn him (robbee) loose for fifteen minutes, to show good intentions? -------------------------------------------- DLS

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Germany to Surveil CoS
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

DEPARTMENT OF STATE DAILY PRESS BRIEFING INDEX Friday, June 6, 1997 Briefer: Nicholas Burns [Excerpt] QUESTION: What is the State Department's reaction to the decision of the German Interior Ministers to put the Church of Scientology under nationwide observation by the anti-extremist watchdogs? MR. BURNS: Well, we understand that the German state and federal interior ministers have agreed to pursue the recommendations of an experts group which called for the collection of information on Scientologists and scientology. It is our understanding - and we have a very incomplete understanding, actually, of this decision - that the ministers directed state and federal law enforcement agencies to develop a plan to implement these recommendations. We will examine the details of this decision carefully, but since I don't believe our embassy in Bonn or our German experts here at the State Department have had sufficient time really to look at this in detail, I don't think it's appropriate for me to give you a detailed comment. I will say this. The United States obviously has to stand for freedom of religion. We have that in our own country and we stand for freedom of religion around the world. If you would just look at our annual human rights reports, I think four out of the last five years or five of the last six - I forget which - we have mentioned this issue of scientology. But I feel compelled to say something else about this issue, and that is that Germany needs to be protected, the German Government and the German leadership need to be protected from this wild charge made by the Church of Scientology in the United States that somehow the treatment of Scientologists in Germany can or should be compared to the treatment of Jews who had to live, and who ultimately perished, under Nazi rule in the 1930s. This wildly inaccurate comparison is most unfair to Chancellor Kohl and to his government and to regional governments and city governments throughout Germany. It has been made consistently by supporters of scientology here in the United States, and by Scientologists themselves. I do want to disassociate the United States Government from this campaign. We reject this campaign. It is most unfair to Germany and to Germans in general. QUESTION: Anything in this latest effort by Germany to deal with the Church of Scientology that concerns you? MR. BURNS: Well, Carol, as I said, we have a sketchy understanding, at best, of what this means. It appears to be instructions by state and federal law enforcement agencies to look at a set of recommendations and develop a plan upon recommendations. We have an alliance relationship with Germany. We have a very close relationship. I think among friends, you don't shoot first and ask questions later. What we need to do is study this issue, talk to the German Government about it, and then perhaps we will have something to say later on. But I think it would be most unfair to Germany for us to have detailed comments when we don't have a detailed understanding of what this process may or may not be. Yes. [End excerpt]

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Re: Arguments for good crypto and against GAK.
by Carl Ellison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:00 PM 6/5/97 -6, Peter Trei wrote: >In short, it's possible to pro-crypto, anti-GAK >without ever getting near sounding anti-government; >in fact, being pro-crypto, anti-GAK can be a >conservative, anti-crime, law & order position. Yup. Let me add one more I just posted to the cryptography list. When you have non-GAK strong crypto for criminals to use, they (like the rest of us) will be seduced into believing that they have privacy and will loosen their tongues. As a result, more and better intelligence will be available over that communications channel. For the proportion of cases where the person on the other side is an agent or someone turned by threat of prosecution, this intelligence falls into the hands of law enforcement. Even better, this person who is reporting to LE is remote from the real criminal(s), so he is in substantially less danger of being frisked to discover a wire. - Carl +------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Carl M. Ellison cme(a)cybercash.com http://www.clark.net/pub/cme | |CyberCash, Inc. http://www.cybercash.com/ | |207 Grindall Street PGP 2.6.2: 61E2DE7FCB9D7984E9C8048BA63221A2 | |Baltimore MD 21230-4103 T:(410) 727-4288 F:(410)727-4293 | +------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Privacy in Europe
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <Pine.3.89.9706061758.A25516-0100000@netcom22>, on 06/06/97 at 05:49 PM, Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> said: >The recent post by John Young about the German woman charged with linking > to Radikal caused me to investigate this issue. >You may have heard that Radikal had an article on sabotaging train >systems. The article simply stated that if you break open a certain type >of control box found next to train tracks and yank the circuit boards, >the trains will refuse to enter the given track segment. Hardly the worst >of possible sabotages and considerably less fatal than other methods >discussed on a mailing list near you. >BTW, the woman has now been slapped with a new charge. Apparently it is >illegal in Germany to publish criminal complaints. [Due to privacy >regulations?] >Since the woman has the official paperwork detailing the charges against >her on her web site, she has now been charged *again* for violating the >prohibition against publishing the official court documents. >Things are better in Europe? You must to be joking. The problem with Europe is we kicked out the Germans and left the Nazi's. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM5i6no9Co1n+aLhhAQFIYAQAoK5o6kQ36FeI3B5uP2/FGZfpTDanDYnc LY0TCxv1BeJrzCw8nvWleouOw3IwzJmK3EiCp6A4K9svrZPfWGSXhZjvyW+6tJPB ujAz/gyUj2mFNdLz6/bJHp4uIirWPxyiJrGlBuEA8uJrGiu4n20zsXeBAvNNUY6u 6kiak6sbr9Y= =Tj5L -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: NYT on German Net Police
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Young wrote: > Robert Hettinga wrote: > >> Recall a previous report that Kohl and other heads of state are > >> to meet in Denver on June 20-22 to plan a global attack > >> on "cyber-terrorism," including the spread of encryption: > >> > >> http://jya.com/denver.htm > > > >Wow. What an opportunity for street theater *that* might be... > > Excellent suggestion, Agent Provocateur (AP) Bob. > > Now, what would be the cyber-version of street theater? Meet incoming International airline flights and hand out free copies of strong crypto (electronic and/or text) to incoming foreigners. Carry passports with Public Key footprint as identifier. > For examp, the security arrangements for the trial will be broadened, > and artfully leaked to the Denver-ensconced and equipped media, to > promote and protect the priceless Derrieres of State. > > But what might cyber-terribles do to work-a-round the highly > classified meat protections? Provide delegates with bogus/forged information regarding meeting, times, security proceedures, etc. > Denver's Judge Downes sent a missive in plaintext to IRS, a > spit in the bucket another Bob said. What about a bigger oyster > hawk at the lens and mikes of the leaders of the free worlds? Forged conference media handouts with quotes from Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini. FalseMonger

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Steak Knife Decryption
by mpd＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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