December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

off-topic/Flying cows
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I just had to forward this...<G> (translated from a german newsservice) -=> Quoting In:germnews@listserv.gmd.de to Harka <=- Last Page: Flying cow sinks japanese fishing boat Wladiwostok. A cow fell out of an airplane before the siberian coast and smashed onto japanese fishing boat, causing it to sink. That reported the German Embassy in Moscow in an internal note to the [german] State Department. Appearantly a russian military plane was flying over the Ochotskian sea with stolen cows on board; the cows started panicking and made the airplane instable in it's flight - they weren't tied to the walls. Therefore the pilots used the last possibility: they opened the back door and moved the cows out of the machine. One of the cows hit a japanese fishing boat and turned it over. The crew could save themselves to the coast, where they were arrested by russian guards, who wouldn't believe the cow story - until an investigation proved it valid. A russian official responsible for traffic is supposed to have mentioned this case to the German Embassy as a strange example for the terrible condition of russian flight safety. The State Department would neither confirm nor deny the incident. Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* This user supports FREE SPEECH ONLINE ...more info at */ /* and PRIVATE ONLINE COMMUNICATIONS! -> http://www.epic.org */ /* E-mail: harka(at)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail pref'd) */ /* PGP public key available upon request. [KeyID: 04174301] */ /* F-print: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBM2WN0jltEBIEF0MBAQErxwf/RYxrpCMrjqdd+PA7DU5E9i/sIIQguKnN +LlbHifsXXdPD6g5NIxbvUMH9ELagnld2qKScynJNtBDFiNYfIuyVWFJFUVOh4L0 VQjrM/6s3hLapHYS09JNBh2B6MgI3HbAfTngY5qwwU4gq7ia646d8Sj/B/Qb+MJz RYFAvF1VUzSC9oQUHZDeAnO/VwN5d2APQFS+6X0Qbo4lSbhSZiK2tV1xFoVcRN4D Kd17Ec6y/Um4Wwr6Y/yhfR4R8Z1xfojZhnQ/USq+hgPg+CqzIYHzpymQNHju2mvr /SAHJIh5KZTV692+Rdo/iHOrBVg0KoX+6fuVH+weYTw4+kBJtPKQjg== =nFLz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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Re: Netscape plans to support GAK
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Robert Hettinga wrote: >Yup. Looks like Barksdale(?) was right in his Pro-Excrow comments two years >ago in Boston after all. > >Mr. Weinstein's Black Rhino Ammunition Inc. "Mr. Kevlar" award went for >naught, I'm afraid... While it might be too touchy for Netscaper cryptographers to address openly, I wonder if there is not a scheme afoot to go along with the current restrictions in order to be better positioned to compete with others intending to launch robust encryption as soon as the leak in the dam globally breaks. There may be more to this story than appears in the PR of industry and government. The crypto fight may be a diversion. Suppose the governments intend to relax crypto restrictions once other technologies to monitor electronic transactions are in place and and enforcers have been trained to snare illegal transactors based on physical evidence of crime beyond the digital. Recall that that's what Peter Neumann and others on the NRC crypto panel suggested as an agenda for the FBI to forego undue crypto emphasis. Is it not possible that the US and other nations will allow strong encryption so long as other means are at hand to control any action merely cloaked in encrypted language, as has been done forever with stylistic literature and speech? To, as with its predecessors, tolerate the artist of cryptoanarchy but guillotine the actor.

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No Subject
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy Mayflower studied yoga back-streching exercises for five years so he could blow himself (nobody else will). o/ \ / \ / / \o / \ / \ /o\ / |\ / \

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Re: Fingerprint Stego
by Alec 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 12:37 PM 4/29/97 -0700, Mike Duvos thoughtfully wrote: |A funny story in last night's Seattle Times... | |It seems the INS and FBI are unwilling to grant US citizenship to |persons without legible fingerprints. [snip] Fingerprint escrow? Does this mean that, ipso facto (I love it), physically challenged individuals with missing or deformed hands are excluded regardless of other qualifications? What a monstrosity of a rule! Was this carried over the wire? AP? |"This is not something we take lightly," said INS spokesperson |Irene Mortensen. "We can't just arbitrarily give out citizenship |to just anyone." The fact that Irene Mortensen has citizenship at all proves her point. Is it not possible to retroactively _remove_ the citizenship of such an arrogant bureaucrat to test whether she could make the grade imposed on the rest of the world's "refuse?" "Dear Irene Mortensen: We regret to inform you....." Thanks, Mike, for the increase in BP. Alec -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 iQCVAgUBM2ZiXiKJGkNBIH7lAQH8CAQArOmQYxiaavj5FXdJUomjviRBcVfkxCRX PWCDZ/wMC68poOWEjKJECKYscVT0kMuw+FMOUKPYlMhR8kK33lvg4tOqbjMKyYMS LZbPU4M+jQNFq3y5c6hFUmtZg8zLATBIeb8lVRnWQ8qChSH8jdTSZLxhmTx8Azgt mrTXcnOk3dQ= =JZZe -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Fingerprint Stego
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Alec wrote: > At 12:37 PM 4/29/97 -0700, Mike Duvos thoughtfully wrote: > |A funny story in last night's Seattle Times... > | > |It seems the INS and FBI are unwilling to grant US citizenship to > |persons without legible fingerprints. > > [snip] > > Fingerprint escrow? > > Does this mean that, ipso facto (I love it), physically challenged > individuals with missing or deformed hands are excluded regardless of other > qualifications? What a monstrosity of a rule! Also, can one have one's citizenship revoked if they lose their fingers in a bizarre chainsaw accident? Or if the "Circle of Eunuchs" performs finger-castration on them because they are caught *fingering* people while they sleep? Why are not alternative methods of identification used, such as placing a tattoo on their arms? Or remove the threat they pose to others, by placing them in camps? Other, more crypto-relevant, concerns arise when one considers whether this fingerprint-anonymity is perhaps a form of biological cryptography. Is the person breaking any laws if their fingers leave the country? Can they be required to cut off one of their fingers and send it to the government under fingerprint-crypto escrow laws? Perhaps we need a "Truth in Spokespersoning" law which would require spokespersons to tell it like it is: "We regret to announce that we cannot allow this person to become a citizen, because we consider citizens to be the property of the state, and we need to be able to identify our property. "Of course, there may be other ways to mark the person for identification by the state, but we are too stupid, anal-retentive and uncaring to concern ourselves with looking into these areas. "Besides, we don't have to. We're the government and we can do whatever silly, stupid, uncaring and unjust things we want to our citizens without suffering any consequences for our actions." FingerMonger

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Policy Post 3.03 - House Subcommittee Approves Internet Privacy Bill
by Alan Davidson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

----------------------------------------------------------------------------- _____ _____ _______ / ____| __ \__ __| ____ ___ ____ __ | | | | | | | | / __ \____ / (_)______ __ / __ \____ _____/ /_ | | | | | | | | / /_/ / __ \/ / / ___/ / / / / /_/ / __ \/ ___/ __/ | |____| |__| | | | / ____/ /_/ / / / /__/ /_/ / / ____/ /_/ (__ ) /_ \_____|_____/ |_| /_/ \____/_/_/\___/\__, / /_/ \____/____/\__/ The Center for Democracy and Technology /____/ Volume 3, Number 3 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A briefing on public policy issues affecting civil liberties online ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CDT POLICY POST Volume 3, Number 1 April 30, 1997 CONTENTS: (1) House Subcommittee Approves SAFE Internet-privacy bill (3) How to Subscribe/Unsubscribe (4) About CDT, contacting us ** This document may be redistributed freely with this banner intact ** Excerpts may be re-posted with permission of <editor(a)cdt.org> ** This document looks best when viewed in COURIER font ** ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- HOUSE SUBCOMMITTEE APPROVES SAFE INTERNET-PRIVACY BILL The House Judiciary Subcommittee on Courts and Intellectual property today approved the Security And Freedom through Encryption (SAFE) act (HR 695), sending the SAFE bill to the full House Judiciary Committee. The SAFE bill was passed by the Subcommittee without amendment and with unanimous approval. A House Judiciary Committee vote on SAFE is expected later this month. Today's vote marks a critical step forward in the ongoing fight to reform US encryption policy, and sends a strong signal to the Clinton Administration that Congress is serious about passing real encryption reform legislation. SAFE, and its companion bills in the Senate (Pro-CODE and ECPA II) are vitally represent the best chance yet of reforming US encryption policy in a way that protects privacy, promotes electronic commerce, and recognize the realities of the global economy. The full text of the SAFE bill, along with analysis and background information, is available online at http://www.cdt.org/crypto or http://www.crypto.com/ The Administration's allies did not introduce amendments to SAFE at the subcommittee markup today, though a tougher fight is expected when the bill reaches the full Judiciary Committee later this month. Rep. Bill McCullom (R-FL), voted in favor of the SAFE but expressed concern that the bill does not contain key-recovery provisions. McCullom, a high ranking member of the Judiciary Committee, said he hopes to address these concerns when the bill reaches the full committee. Also at the markup, Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-CA), an original co-sponsor of SAFE, noted that several privacy organizations, including CDT, have raised concerns about a provision of the bill which criminalizes the use of encryption in furtherance of a crime. Rep. Lofgren pledged to work with the privacy community to try and address these concerns as the bill moves through committee. CDT congratulates the subcommittee on today's vote and looks forward to working with the Congress, our colleagues in the civil liberties and Internet advocacy community, and the computer and communications industries to pass real reform of US encryption policy this year. For more information on what you can do to join the fight, please visit http://www.crypto.com/adopt. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ (2) SUBSCRIPTION INFORMATION Be sure you are up to date on the latest public policy issues affecting civil liberties online and how they will affect you! Subscribe to the CDT Policy Post news distribution list. 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Crypto gambling
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It has been brung to my attention that one of the horses running in this Saturday's Kentucky Derby is named Crypto Star. He already won the Louisiana and Arkansas Derbys. Vote Labour!!! --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: Data Privacy Laws
by 3umoelle＠informatik.uni-hamburg.de 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > According to the Registrar's office, anyone who is processing personal > > information, even as little as names and addresses received over the > > Internet, could find themselves facing an unlimited fine in the higher > > courts if they do not register with the Data Protection Registrar. > This is well known to most of us. Still, we periodically get "privacy > advocates" here on this list singing the praises of the various European > "data privacy laws" and urging other nations to adopt the same sorts of > laws. It is worth noting that the "Data Privacy Commissioners" in Germany (equivalent to the British Data Protection Registrar) are beginning to advocate technologies such as anonymous e-cash, pre-paid chipcards, pseudonyms, and of course encryption, rather than more laws.

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Re: Fingerprint Stego
by Robert A. Costner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:04 PM 4/29/97 -0400, Alec wrote: >Does this mean that, ipso facto (I love it), physically challenged >individuals with missing or deformed hands are excluded regardless of other >qualifications? What a monstrosity of a rule! Georgia in fact has a mandated fingerprint requirement for obtaining a driver's license. Practices vary from station to station, but there have been reports of handicapped or others who do not fingerprint properly being denied a driver's license. -- Robert Costner Phone: (770) 512-8746 Electronic Frontiers Georgia mailto:pooh@efga.org http://www.efga.org/

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Re: Data Privacy Laws
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:37 PM -0800 4/29/97, Ulf Möller wrote: >> > According to the Registrar's office, anyone who is processing personal >> > information, even as little as names and addresses received over the >> > Internet, could find themselves facing an unlimited fine in the higher >> > courts if they do not register with the Data Protection Registrar. > >> This is well known to most of us. Still, we periodically get "privacy >> advocates" here on this list singing the praises of the various European >> "data privacy laws" and urging other nations to adopt the same sorts of >> laws. > >It is worth noting that the "Data Privacy Commissioners" in Germany >(equivalent to the British Data Protection Registrar) are beginning to >advocate technologies such as anonymous e-cash, pre-paid chipcards, >pseudonyms, and of course encryption, rather than more laws. This is very encouraging, if true. (Not that I doubt Ulf, but one must always be careful in considering the plans and promises of government entities.) It would be especially nice (schon, or schoen--my Mac supports umlauts, of course, but I never try to use them in ASCII posts) if Germany were to abandon its control-freak stance toward the Internet and realize that "the best cure for bad language is more language" and "sunlight is the best disinfectant." (These are both well-known sayings about free speech.) --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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