December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Moderation experiment almost over; "put up or shut up"
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Igor Chudov <ichudov(a)algebra.com> writes: > so we have myself, Jim Choate, and you who colunteer to host > mailing lists for the distributed cypherpunks. > > I have already created majordomo(a)algebra.com and cypherpunks(a)algebra.com. > > We can coordinate our efforts. Actually, we can even have a mini > mailing list for people who want to participate in the distributed > cypherpunks experiment. If there is any interest, I can create such > a list. Please do. Adam -- print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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Re: List! No Way: Creation of "alt.cypherpunks"
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Attila T Hun <attila(a)primenet.com> writes: > tim: > > two points you make: > > 1. the propogation is slow... > > 2. some sites do not carry alt. groups > > are enough to kill an active discussion list. of course, it does > slow down excessive volume. Is there any offline newsreading software for linux? (Something to grab feeds from an NNTP server of selected newsgroups to put in /usr/spool/news/, and something to queue posts for posting via NNTP when on line) (My difficulty with USENET groups is that we have pay per second phone bills over here, and online USENET reading is inefficient, that plus propogation delays). Adam -- print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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Re: List for discussing many majordomos
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Greg Broiles wrote: > At 06:59 PM 2/11/97 -0600, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > > >We can coordinate our efforts. Actually, we can even have a mini > >mailing list for people who want to participate in the distributed > >cypherpunks experiment. If there is any interest, I can create such > >a list. > > Yes, this is a good idea. One of the proponents of the "many majordomos" > project apparently has plans to impose his own ideas about intellectual > property on the project, and this seems like a pretty serious thing for a > setup that's allegedly going to prevent censorship. We need a place to > discuss this. I have acreated a mailing list, cypherpunks-hosts(a)algebra.com, for people interested in participating in the multi-homed cypherpunks list. You can subscribe to cypherpunks-hosts by talking to majordomo(a)algebra.com. - Igor.

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Re: Germany Versus Scientology
by Jeremiah A Blatz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Evil se7en <se7en(a)dis.org> writes: > I have posted a rather lengthy story about Germany's war against the > Scientologists. It was long enough to preclude mailing it directly to the > lists, so I have put it on my web site. You may find it at: > > http://www.dis.org/se7en/ > > with the link being directly under the large "X." I decided to post it > for the reasons that I know several people who suffered directly at the > hands of the Scientologists after trying to infiltrate their organization > via the Internet. These people will recieve this message due to this > posting. Enjoy. Heh, the top German Gov't anti-$cientoligist: "The state is obliged to protect its citizens from totalitarian organizations." I just love this whole thing. It's like two neighborhood bullies going at it in the school yard. It doesn't matter who wins, as long as it's long and bloody. Jer "standing on top of the world/ never knew how you never could/ never knew why you never could live/ innocent life that everyone did" -Wormhole -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQB1AwUBMwFSnckz/YzIV3P5AQH/DwL/aX8VIWcSo7JqQuxL3EgyqOnOyYikRlTh irV8YtXhDlsqbVaZDIPoweE5viibrR0ZrfuCqRm4oClGRvttSJdPxTN5iY5ry+HQ 6HFgT3zWxOH5OSyg/8tz2oVirtCOoGD/ =L0xY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Moderation experiment almost over; "put up or shut up"
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 01:23 PM 2/11/97 -0600, ichudov(a)algebra.com wrote: >linux with 16 MB ram will probably get you through. I have that available on the current machine. If no one else volunteers and there is interest in continuing the list, I am willing to donate the services of my machine. It is running Redhat Linux 4.0 with 16 megs of ram (soon to be upgraded to 32 or 64 depending on cash) and 3.3 gigs of hard drive. It is connected to the net via a T-1. Should be more than enough to run the list. And, yes, i have run majordomo before... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 iQEVAwUBMwFegeQCP3v30CeZAQEjuAf9HujkexOWErjLRt9cd1CtTo6IosU5UPxW 8ovctEooTql6ZPrAkdHWLATwFnInRdFBNRQeKPGCjdyS1U5VpXCDPrG24gs/BUdm ZQLAT8UdCOiS//vb7IXXUeAgvKT4VciqEfw4Z9r9NawDWA0K93Q+d+5iQ5bYxE72 KmEQHseHL/x1mJZ4x3OlVdUmxdpFeFOmIlu3Ik1L372sRTNgM1r7m1psh6gnr6dp mYIwEs3oG3gz0hwDV2FhdIg7O3xLBg80FWKufYylx2Z+3Ezm1wUArFTaFC4LwIvP 8cRGUucGd8GOanSIjaj8d72JQWgRIDRqtkWv9Tlz538n+SygJZBl9w== =0SlX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- | "Mi Tio es infermo, pero la carretera es verde!" | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com|

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List for discussing many majordomos
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 06:59 PM 2/11/97 -0600, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: >We can coordinate our efforts. Actually, we can even have a mini >mailing list for people who want to participate in the distributed >cypherpunks experiment. If there is any interest, I can create such >a list. Yes, this is a good idea. One of the proponents of the "many majordomos" project apparently has plans to impose his own ideas about intellectual property on the project, and this seems like a pretty serious thing for a setup that's allegedly going to prevent censorship. We need a place to discuss this. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 iQEVAgUBMwFm8f37pMWUJFlhAQE4uQf/RfjKd++IRYJZyLPRqsh150098IgMY4oE GITsrs9S4N/mCRzjPUYLDmDKmEkGlN3UilQsMVT7QiPA7vxpw3yvOgWEATXMRWo6 46BRFhKHbKupy6uVCbfrNiXRa76JSdWisxi9NzwJK7jmj5g8SsEJW1Z4pij5VYVJ Ck4mVziejIE/uyQ4hzenbS2ZN+EEApoF5dxVbS5rvlk/HEcUxJMUvuoxXiVm+fFQ gs59X/Yj4WtUCNb6STH89Qwdr2RdtK5yvqvP56cMNudIcdK28K/hiEXWtkCSueLu XU1aa02TQMn/oA24iGYpUF9gnjsGgieIJSx7VB96uE9UsOg6i71mIA== =ILiw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Greg Broiles | US crypto export control policy in a nutshell: gbroiles(a)netbox.com | http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | Export jobs, not crypto. |

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Re: List! No Way: Creation of "alt.cypherpunks"
by Jeremiah A Blatz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- "Timothy C. May" <tcmay(a)got.net> writes: > At 7:11 PM +0000 2/11/97, Attila T. Hun wrote: > > I vote we just set up a new majordomo with some additional antispam > > filters including knocking out exploding mail headers, etc. I would > > accept excluding non-members as long as we take the remailers which > > are listed with either JP or RL. > > This is a suggestion I have long thought to be a good one. Only allow posts > from list subscribers, and make a special exception for remailers by adding > them to the approval list. Figure if a spammer is smart enough to know what > a remailer is, at least see her traffic for a while. Drop the inclusion of > remailers if volume is too high. A couple of "me too"s: Low volume spam via remailers increases the strength of the remailer net. Yay! Not allowing non-subscribers to post is not a problem is the mailing list is linked to the usenet version. The people who read/post to cypherpunks via a newsgroup interface now can just use the real newsgroup. Also, people who don't get alt.* and don't want to use dejanews can sub to the list version. Jer "standing on top of the world/ never knew how you never could/ never knew why you never could live/ innocent life that everyone did" -Wormhole -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQB1AwUBMwF8A8kz/YzIV3P5AQG+UgL+OPshqmTH8uLZw8gj/9OhrJ3qz+h8mo0t g+KY2rlNLgmMP9AJoGszlc02jNOxWKahBMT/tLWztBG4g3/0Jy4IIFMU0gRz9t/2 pRNwig+MHm5EvhClMeva3rhVe/7t0Fz9 =Xaaf -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Cypherpunks-related lists on toad.com
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, John - thanks for supporting and putting up with us all these years. How do you feel about continuing support for the cypherpunks-related lists that are also on toad.com, coderpunks and cypherpunks-announce? I'd guess that if we move the cypherpunks list to another machine, rather than mutating it into alt.cypherpunks, the -announce list should probably also move once the new list is working. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Crypto: Job Opportunity
by Carol Anne Cypherpunk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The Mining Co. (http://www.miningco.com) is looking for "siteguides". There will surely be a guide needed for cryptography. Pay is commensurate with hit volume, but it isn't too shabby, at about 3K per month after about a year. There is the original posting from Sideman's Online Insider following this post to acquaint you with the particulars. Good Luck to whomever from this list (for I'm sure someone will) takes the aformentioned position. I would, but I'm applying for a different site in the Culture/Beliefs section. On one other note, the PGP Plugin for Eudora is MARVELOUS! THIS I can even teach a clueless newbie! Carol Anne Cypherpunk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Uncensored from heavily.censored.org iQCVAwUBMwAfd4rpjEWs1wBlAQG3YwP/XXgJfqD06KTLfdDfj2mAweBrFAASsRR8 q37l43InJU/AVhRJ0MKkcmxto7sfO1jHNW6O0+0HjrnMRZAmnw7YH806+mCCerUG CeTT5U97Cp/V5Yud6r6f0vqP/BPk8etGIZnGgWKajJ49rFTGlk01AgQz1xE49mmI i962UdPbyVs= =69D8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ... For more info, check out < http://www.miningco.com >, sometime on Monday, they will make a lot more information available there than the "coming soon" that was there as of this writing. Member Internet Society - Certified BETSI Programmer - Webmistress *********************************************************************** Carol Anne Braddock (cab8) carolann(a)censored.org 206.42.112.96 My Homepage The Cyberdoc ***********************************************************************

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Re: List! No Way: Creati
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- -=> Quoting In:attila@primenet.com to Harka <=- In> I vote we just set up a new majordomo with some additional In> antispam filters including knocking out exploding mail headers, In> etc. I would accept excluding non-members as long as we take the In> remailers which are listed with either JP or RL. Were it possible to use Perry's PGPDomo, which would effectively keep out at least the Spammers? Perry? :) Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* This user supports FREE SPEECH ONLINE ...more info at */ /* and PRIVATE ONLINE COMMUNICATIONS! --> http://www.eff.org */ /* E-mail: harka(a)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail preferred) */ /* PGP public key available upon request. [KeyID: 04174301] */ /* F-print: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBMv/y/zltEBIEF0MBAQEnBQf/UVcg/iFUtR3hMk2zrNwZmweqE4XA3cLy ixfNNGoKO6cP0oUnSrqRoWW4LtMrHamMldBMXmFARmkh3joqgFZpzXSwCbiCSFtv yN7tDOmfzvDfI4gRpohuc7ou3rMMlbjs/lZamJAV5iByE8Kh3/phcvOmb5u9zjWK m/bcLsje39fLpIeMHL3y0jYf4Z5wyvb4dndBVeF+m50IguT9hVd3KZ4hza2XiKQr zPkX1Y2uDW1vq9/m2Wd9PLxnio5hrbOuLHdVFzTUxcVBfnJjMB0rrexW3z/2KqJ8 4V0r3xZXqui5z6k55PQTrVZt9Hqb+zVDoDAAA/tzMfHpVU+MOnM3Xg== =Jtwu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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