December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Extra Income
by friend＠Summers.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: ECPA/1997: the other shoe?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:51 AM 3/5/97 -0800, Greg Broiles wrote: >I've seen discussion on various lists and in the media about the reissue of >Sen. Burns' Pro-CODE bill (S. 377); I was poking around thomas.loc.gov for >information about S. 377 and ran across S. 376, introduced by Sen. Leahy, >the "Encrypted Communications Privacy Act of 1997", which implements a lot >of legislation that cypherpunks types have been speculating about for >several years now. [snip] >I haven't had a chance to go over it in detail, but it purports to do these >things: >Makes the use of any cryptosystem in the US, or by US persons on foreign >soil, legal; Which is somewhat illogical, because if we assume that things are legal until made illegal, and there is no illegal cryptosystem, that means that no bill can "make the use of any cryptosystem legal." (I understand, of course, that you may simply be saying that the bill pretends to do it...) >Prohibits the implementation of mandatory key escrow Again, somewhat of a non-issue, wouldn't you say? What with the 1st amendment, the government would have an enormous uphill battle to make key escrow mandatory anyway. >Establishes standards and procedures under which key escrow agents may >release escrowed keys (including criminalizing wrongful release and >wrongful failure to release pursuant to court order/other authorization) Key escrow agents (to the extent they currently exist and will exist in the future) are presumably entitled to contract with their customers whatever conditions and terms their customers desire. If that DOESN'T include sharing the key with the government, as far as I know that's entirely legitimate. ("impairment of contracts.") Also, I see no reason to believe that those agents will necessarily have copies of the keys in unencrypted form, useable by the government. >Criminalizes the willful use of encryption to obstruct justice Which, as Tim May points out, could imply practically any useage of crypto with the "appropriate" misinterpretation on the part of government, particularly encrypted remailers. Just what the Leahy bill last year appeared to be intended to do. >Confirms that it is legal to sell any cryptosystem within the US Again, that's unnecessary and redundant. >Sets standards for the release of keys to foreign governments > >I'll post a more detailed summary later when I've had a chance to go over >the bill more carefully. What we should be particularly suspicious of is any differnces between last year's bill and this year's. Somehow I doubt we'll see any desireable change; all the changes will be bad. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: This list
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Chris Melancon wrote: > I joined this list several weeks ago to learn more about encryption and > related topics. To the few posters who have passed on something useful, > thanks. To the 99.44% of you who are more interested in talking about > who is performing fellatio on who or slamming Timothy May from as many [snippo] > Consider me unsubscribed, and may those of you who work so hard to make > this list the useless crap it has turned out to be continue to suck as > much as you deserve. Ooh, poor baby. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

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Secrecy Report
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The "Report of the Commission on Protecting and Reducing Government Secrecy," boosted in the NY Times today is available in PDF format at: http://www.access.gpo.gov/congress/commissions/secrecy/index.html It criticizes government's unwarranted use of secrecy as a means of control. The main report is 155 pages long with appendices of 120 pages, including a history of the abuse of secrecy in the NatSec era. It also has a section on "Information Insecurity" which addresses impending moves by the gov to deal with threats to the Racketeer-Influenced "if you knew what we know" Criminal Org. The NYT report and editorial is at: http://jya.com/newsec.htm

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Re: The Pro-CODE Bill could make things worse!
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:44 AM 3/5/97 -0800, Greg Broiles wrote: >"Exports. The publisher or manufacturer of computer software or >hardware with encryption capabilities shall disclose (for reporting >purposes only) within 30 days after export to the Secretary such >information regarding a program's or product's encryption capabilities >as would be required for an individual license to export that program >or product." > >The former has no real force, as "findings" aren't enforceable, but are >intended for use by courts who are interpreting or construing a statute. >But I don't see a technical reason why the latter wouldn't be enforceable. >(Modulo the First Amendment, of course.) Can it be construed as a "taking"? (Or was that just an "excise tax", payable in intellectual property rather than in money?) Unless the information required for an individual license is substantially less under the New Regime than under the Ancien' Regime, they're asking for a lot of information - in the past, it's included source code, documentation, etc., as well as customer data. What restrictions are there on government use of this information apply? State governments, e.g. California, have a history of ripping off copyright and refusing to accept lawsuits against themselves - can the Feds do the same? Maybe they can't refuse to let you export any more, but can they threaten to publish your source code on http://www.dockmaster.mil/warez/ if you don't do what they want?.... # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Re: EU-FBI Wiretap Pact and CALEA (Digital Telephony)
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

jim bell wrote: > > At 02:25 AM 3/3/97 -0800, Tim May wrote: > >So, either the reporters here have it wrong, by implying CALEA and the > >joint U.S.-U.K. agreeement applies to _e-mail_, or in fact CALEA is being > >seen as applicable to e-mail. If the latter, then things are in much, much > >worse shape than many of us feared. > > > >If this interpretation is upheld by the courts, we are in a state of war. > >--Tim May > > Indeed, we are. Notice also that there appears to be no illusion that > these kind of bills are being done due to public demand: News on this > subject is essentially nil, particularly in the mainstream news media. When one begins adding up all of the ways in which the country is being regulated and legislated 'outside' of the influence of the voters, then it becomes apparent that we acually live in a demon-mockracy. It makes for great news when some 'little guy' manages to 'slip one by' Big Brother, but the reality is that the court system is ruled by money and power. As in the example stated above, much of the legislation proffered by those elected bears little resemblence to issues that are of genuine concern to the electorate. Any issues that the government can't ramrod through using the methods above become matters of 'National Security'. The 'law of the land' then ceases to apply, as 'Emergecy Measures' and secretive regulatory agencies write the law with no voting and a single stroke of the pen. The government even has the power to negate the ability of the individual or group to act in their own interest simply by making laws and regulations vague and/or complicated enough that it is unfeasible to act simply because of the time, energy, and funds required to do so--not to mention the 'risk' involved. Through use of regulatory approval, or witholding of such, the government has the ability to influence the fast-moving course of various areas of technology. Does anyone here want to make large investments in a product that they 'may or may not' be able to sell? This forum has members in all areas of expertise surrounding crypto issues, but can anyone state, unequivocally, all of the finer points surrounding legislation, regulation, etc., in this area? (Even if you think you 'can' legally do this-or-that, are you going to do so if told by the government that you can't and will be subject to prosecution and/or financial loss?) Do you expect for the laws to apply equally to all in areas of major government interest? Some companies are 'approved' for export, while, on very questionable legal basis, others are 'denied' approval. Do you expect this type of gladhanded regulatory approach to be any different for CypherPunks remailers, versus military Onion Routers? When some remailer operator is 'set-up' by the Right Reverend G. Stooge on a pornography bust, or by G.I.Joe on a terrorism bust, do you expect the target to be a CypherPunk or a Vice-Admiral? The fact of the matter is, the government is fully capable of burying the facts on any area of interest they wish, under cover of defending us from the 'bad guys' lurking in the bushes, and once every four years they step into the limelight to decide who gets to spend the next four years passing another mountain of legislation that, inch by inch, eats away at the rights and freedoms that are theoretically guaranteed by the Constitution. One has to wonder just how many times in history a vote in favor of restricting the privacy and rights of citizens was gained by trading off a vote affecting 'hog futures'. -- Toto http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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No Subject
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Embedded in Tim C. Maypole's babblings are preposterous lies, wild distortions, child pornography (both as graphic descriptions and in JPEG format), ethnic slurs, and racial epithets. o o o o o /~> <><><> <> Tim C. Maypole o...(\ |||||| ||

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Re: truth (lack thereof) and the press
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Attila T. Hun wrote: > WHEN CULTURES COLLIDE > By Bob Djurdjevic > > The Mexican government itself is working to infiltrate and subvert > our government. They are working to grant dual nationality or > citizenship to encourage Mexican to become U.S. citizens so they can > "vote for Mexican interests" in the United States. > The United States is being > invaded by Mexico. The intent is to retake the American Southwest and > rename it Aztlan. Those who resist are called racist and will are > subject to attack. > > Published in THE WASHINGTON TIMES > BOB DJURDJEVIC, August 18, 1996 Think how much greater the threat would be if the U.S. was actually run by the voters. -- Toto http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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Secure checksums
by nobody＠hidden.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timmy C. Mayhem's abysmal grammar, atrocious spelling and feeble responses clearly identify him as a product of the American education system. >\\\|/< |_ ; (O) (o) -OOO--(_)--OOOo- Timmy C. Mayhem

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RE: Microsoft Authenticode key security
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

William H. Geiger III writes: > In <L0c53D131w165w(a)bwalk.dm.com>, on 03/05/97 at 07:44 PM, > dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) said: > > >"Bob Atkinson (Exchange)" <bobatk(a)EXCHANGE.MICROSOFT.com> writes: > > >> Actually, and sort of to the point, no, the keys never actually ever the > >> BBN box, except as part of a backup procedure in which they are > >> extracted in a doubly-encrypted form for which for security reasons you > >> need the manufacturer's help in restoring. > >> > >> To this day, no human or computer other than the box itself knows the > > >But do we necessarily believe what Microsoft people say? > > If Bill Gates got on national TV and told the world that the sky was blue > I'd have go outside and look for myself. Actually, around Redmond, gray skies are much more common. Really guys, If you want to attack Authenticode (and I personally consider it a bandaid on a dangerous system), then stealing or buying the key is not the approach to take. I see two possible approaches to prove it's weakness. 1. If they are using RSA, factor the public key. This depends on it's length. Considering the amount of cpu people seem to be able to muster for distributed cracks, etc, I suspect that 512 bit keys will soon be vulnerable (equiv = RSA 155). 2. Write a Trojan Horse ActiveX control which disables the Authenticode checking, then covers it's tracks. No, I'm not working on either of these. Peter Trei trei(a)process.com Disclaimer: I speak for myself, not my employer.

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