December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: (Fwd) Re: Mr. May's Posts. Other Things.
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 04:33 PM 12/30/96 -0800, Ross Wright wrote: >This is the message I got in response to my post regarding Mr. May's >offensive, racist, and bigoted post about ebonics. His comments were not "offensive, racist, and bigoted." They were funny, intentionally so. The whole "Ebonics" issue is a hilarious example of political-correctness gone mad. Interestingly, Jesse Jackson tried to make it look like the blacks were the victims, the ones most offended by the actions of the Oakland schools people. Embarrassed, maybe, victims no. (A friend of mine greatly prefers the term, "Niglish." I try hard to not be so...coarse.) Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Responsibility
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mike Duvos writes: >Brent E. Turvey (bturvey(a)connix.com) wrote: > >: This NG is not a certified twelve-step program operating under >: anonymity. This is not even a group of people in recovery operating >: under any kind of professional guidance at all. It is in essence a >: PUBLIC FORUM on a given topic. There are no secrets, and no reasonable >: expectation of privacy. There is also no necessitation for legal >: confidance. > >This has been discussed before. Most people are aware of how Usenet >works, and people who don't want their posts linked to their real >life identities can post anonymously. > >: It's also unmoderated. Anyone can look in at any time that they want and >: review any posts current and past that they see fit thanks to the good >: people at Dejanews. And anyone can post whatever they want. > >Yup. > >: However there are a number of individuals engaged in exploitative >: behaviors with the survivors here and other places on the net. Any >: therapist or other certified mental health professional can give you a >: better and more complete definition of "exploitative behaviors" than I >: could do here. > >Changing our tune a bit, aren't we Brent? The infamous list was >advertised as a list of predatory offenders and abusers. Now it >seems to be just a list of people whose Usenet interactions with >others you choose to characterize as "exploitative." > >: It is mainly for the reason of professional ethics and responsibility >: that I posted the list of people to be careful of earlier this month. >: Incumbent in that responsibility is my desire to offer potential victims >: a survival tool. > >Quite frankly, Brent, you offering the survivors in this newsgroup a >"survival tool" is much like a person on fire offering a gathering of >penguins an ice cube. The patrons of this newsgroup are Past Masters >of survival. You, on the other hand, are a master only of sticking >your foot into one bodily opening, while simultaneously sticking your >head up another. > >: By posting that list, I made it totally available to not >: only the frequent and infrequent subscribers to aar, to explore on their >: own as they see fit, but to the law enforcement agencies who now monitor >: usenet as well. > >Who, I am sure, are laughing hysterically at all of this. Please >continue to pee on your chances of ever doing this professionally >at every opportunity. > >: No strict personal agenda; only a professional one. No personal attacks. >: Just observations of behavior. > >Goodness Brent, do you really think we need you to observe peoples >behavior for us? Most of us who have been around the Net since the >clever little protocols were designed by the engineers, and who can >even remember events like "The Great Renaming", and the origins of >Kibo, are fairly astute judges of human behavior. We have seen >all sides of every imaginable issue argued from every conceivable >perspective, and we know the names of all the major players and >where they stand on each one. > >: -- >: Brent E. Turvey, MSc Forensic Science >: bturvey(a)connix.com >: http://www.connix.com/~bturvey/profile.html > >Anyone want to join me in nominating Mr. Turvey for the coveted "KOTM" >degree? I think... > > Brent E. Turvey, MSc Forensic Science, KOTM Usenet > >has a very nice ring to it. He's definitely goofier than Drs. Grubor >and Vulis. I also suggest you visit his unintentionally funny writings >on autoerotic asphyxiation on the Web. Brent is a man of many talents. :) > >-- > Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ > mpd(a)netcom.com $ via Finger. $ > Is Brent as goofy as the ASALA terrorist (about to be fired by Earthweb for net-abuse), or even goofier? --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Building PGP on Freebsd?
by Adam Shostack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I get this message at the end, for building with the netbsd or the 386bsd config file. I know theres a simple tweak, can someone remind me what it is? Thanks, Adam gcc -o pgp pgp.o crypto.o keymgmt.o fileio.o mdfile.o more.o armor.o mpilib.o mpiio.o genprime.o rsagen.o random.o idea.o passwd.o md5.o system.o language.o getopt.o keyadd.o config.o keymaint.o charset.o randpool.o noise.o zbits.o zdeflate.o zfile_io.o zglobals.o zinflate.o zip.o zipup.o ztrees.o zunzip.o rsaglue2.o _80386.o _zmatch.o ../rsaref/install/unix/rsaref.a rsaglue2.o: Definition of symbol `_NN_ModExp' (multiply defined) -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume

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Re: (Fwd) Re: Mr. May's Posts. Other Things.
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On or About 30 Dec 96 at 18:16, jim bell wrote: > At 04:33 PM 12/30/96 -0800, Ross Wright wrote: > >This is the message I got in response to my post regarding Mr. > >May's offensive, racist, and bigoted post about ebonics. > > > His comments were not "offensive, racist, and bigoted." They were Be that as it may, it is still no call for threats of gunplay! That is NOT funny. I take such things very seriously. =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: 415-206-9906

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Re: (Fwd) Re: Mr. May's Posts. Other Things.
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On or About 30 Dec 96 at 19:12, Ross Wright wrote: > On or About 30 Dec 96 at 18:16, jim bell wrote: > > > At 04:33 PM 12/30/96 -0800, Ross Wright wrote: > > >This is the message I got in response to my post regarding Mr. > > >May's offensive, racist, and bigoted post about ebonics. > > > > > > His comments were not "offensive, racist, and bigoted." They were > > Be that as it may, it is still no call for threats of gunplay! That > is NOT funny. I take such things very seriously. Funny, yeah real funny. In other words: I'll popa cap in the motherfuckers ass just for him thinkin he gonna draw down on me! It just makes me more and more pissed off! I gotta have a cuppa coffe, and calm down! Ross

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RE: (Fwd) Re: Mr. May's Posts. Other Things.
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On or About 30 Dec 96 at 18:03, Blanc Weber wrote: > You have to understand - Tim is from California. > If you choose to carry, you will be held to a higher standard of > behavior > than those that don't. Yes, part of that "higher standard" is to keep your fucking mouth shut about that piece in your sholder holster. Those that brag that they are packing and won't hesitate to use it are usually those that freeze under fire or snap at the workplace. A true shooter shut's the fuck up and if needs be, let's the weapon do the talking when the time is right. That mutually assured destruction shit only works for governments. In this day and age you better think EVERYONE'S packing, and if you shoot your mouth off about your little pea shooter you just make yourself a target for the first shot fired. Ross =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: 415-206-9906

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Re: Crypto reg clarification from Commerce Department
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I believe that Kutz is speaking the truth. Keep in mind the paragraph with which you're concerned is not the meat of what's being amended. That lies in the next line, Section 736.2(b)(7)(ii), which reads: You may not, without a license from BXA, provide certain technical assistance to foreign persons with respect to encryption items, as described in Sec. 744.9 of the EAR. "Technical assistance" is still troubling, but not as much as investment would be. Assistance is aimed at training, and the regulations somewhat exempt classroom discussions. Of course, the uncertainty and the potential chilling effects are good reasons to continue with the court challenges. -Declan --- > I just got of the phone with Bruce Kutz, Export Policy Analyst, Office of > Strategic Trade and Foreign Policy Controls. (202) 482-0092. He seems to be > the contact person for the new regs. > > I pointed Mr. Kutz to the section that alarmed me: > > Sec. 736.2 General prohibitions and determination of applicability. > > * * * * * > > (7) General Prohibition Seven--Support of Certain Activities by > U.S. persons--(i) Support of Proliferation Activities (U.S. Person > Proliferation Activity). If you are a U.S. Person as that term is > defined in Sec. 744.6(c) of the EAR, you may not engage in any > activities prohibited by Sec. 744.6 (a) or (b) of the EAR which > prohibits the performance, without a license from BXA, of certain > financing, contracting, service, support, transportation, freight > forwarding, or employment that you know will assist in certain > proliferation activities described further in part 744 of the EAR. > There are no License Exceptions to this General Prohibition Seven in > part 740 of the EAR unless specifically authorized in that part. > > Mr. Kutz seemed surprised. Apparently he had not been aware that this > section was included in the new crypto regs. He then assured me that > > 1. Proliferation in the context of this paragraph applies only to > proliferation of > a) nuclear (bomb) technology > b) missile technology > > He read to me EAR Sec. 744.6 (a) or (b), which are referred to in the > paragraph in question. Sec. 744.6 (a) or (b) seems to support this view. > However, he did not explain to me why the paragraph was included in the > crypto export regulations when it only applies to nukes and missiles. > > 2. The Department of Commerce has no intention of banning the financing and > contracting of non-US crypto development. > > 3. Technical assistance to non-US parties requires a license. > > Mr. Kutz encouraged me to make use of the public comment period and ask > Commerce to clarify the section. Public comments will be accepted until > February 13, 1997. [Public comment is requested only after the new regs > took effect...] > > I received the impression that Mr. Kutz genuinely believes that the section > in question does not apply to crypto. If I was concerned about potentially > violating the regulations, I would try to get a written statement from > Commerce that Mr. Kutz's view is indeed correct. As always, IANAL. > > > > -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred > Make your mark in the history of mathematics. Use the spare cycles of > your PC/PPC/UNIX box to help find a new prime. > http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm > > >

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Re: (Fwd) Re: Mr. May's Posts. Other Things.
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On or About 30 Dec 96 at 20:29, Graham-John Bullers wrote: > You mean we cannot choose to be RACIST BIGOTS shame on you. Sure you can, I got no problem with open disscussions of views. Any views! But a private threat of gunplay, that you have no right to! > > http://www.free > net.edmonton.ab.ca/~real/index.html > > : > real(a)freenet.edmonton.ab.c > a > Graham-John Bullers email > : > ab756(a)freenet.toronto.on.c > a > > Of course, I'd treat a "slapping" as an assault. I'd love to put a > > clip of hollowpoints through your chest. > > > > Your place or mine? > > > > ---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, > > digital =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: 415-206-9906

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17 Dec '03

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Re: With my deepest regards....
by AwakenToMe＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 96-12-30 17:46:12 EST, you write: << AwakenToMe(a)aol.com wrote: > Adam Breaux wrote: > > I am withdrawing from this list. Not because of the volume of > > email...that I can deal with...but what I cannot deal with is the > > volume of garbage and egotistical ranting[snippo] > Note to cypherpunks: This guy complains about the problem, but he *is* > the problem. *He* wants to tell us *he's* leaving. Talk about ego- > tistical ranting! What a hypocrite. > Since I never said I dont contribute to the problem.. I think Ill point > out... that in a reverse notion...He isn't the problem. What you replied > back is the problem. Argumentum ad nauseam. The point is, Adam (I think) wanted to tell us he's leaving. Well, who gives a shit, anyway? Instead of ranting against me, tell the cypherpunks why they should care that this particular individual is "leaving the list". >> he did: =-} <<I am withdrawing from this list. Not because of the volume of email...that I can deal with...but what I cannot deal with is the volume of garbage and egotistical ranting that seems so prevalent in what should for all sakes and purposes be a discussion of cyphering and security. Apparently the name of this list is designed to mislead...because of all the posts, a grand total of 5% proved worth reading at all.>>

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