December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Noise: Re: Those Evil Republicans
by Hallam-Baker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Duncan Frissell wrote: > "They believe that the Government is the problem and that what everyone > needs is to be told, 'You're on your own; go out there into the tender > mercies of the global economy; have a great time in cyberspace, and we'll > get out of your way.'" -- William Jefferson Blythe Clinton in a speech to > the AFSCME in Chicago on Friday. > I guess he doesn't want us to have fun in cyberspace -- though he didn't say > so directly. If you had heard the whole speech rather than only the portion reported on CNN you would know that you have entirely distored the meaning. The point being made was that cyberspace is being promoted as a panacea for all ills, many of which it is creating rather than curing. Cyberspace is not a replacement for an ecconomic policy, Newts idea of giving laptops to homeless people is not a solution for poverty. Actually I think that this is quite obvious from the quote you give. Given the experience of derregulating Savings and Loans institutions I don't think the country could survive another round of deregulation. As Reagan said "Gentlemen we've hit the jackpot" - and of course they had, S&L was not a fiasco for certain people, just for the poor taxpayers. > In the same speech in which he talked about people hunting ducks with rifles. Damned unsporting eh? Isn't the NRA weapon of choice a surface to air missile? Phill

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Re: L&J: Libertarians
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:35 PM 6/23/96 -0700, Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: >On Sun, 23 Jun 1996, Jean-Francois Avon wrote: >> On 22 Jun 96 at 18:56, jim bell wrote: >> >> >> > In practice, I think we'll discover we don't NEED politicians at >> > all! >> >> I was having a discussion with a retired physics dept director the >> other day. He never heard of AP and we did not discuss it. But we >> discussed the Net a lot. And he made a very fundamental remark. He >> said someting along thoses lines (not an exact quote but one that sums >> it up in essence) : >> >> "It is amazing how the Net is. It is a total anarchy and yet, it >> seems to work *perfectly* well without any central decision making >> authority. Actually, no central authority could ever make it happens >> better than this actual anarchy led by self-interest on the part of >> each individuals each owning a tiny piece of the network." >> >> It make me think about how essential the govt is, and especially in >> the field of economy... >> >I think we need public administrators (not politicians) who are hired by >the people for the people to do specific jobs, like looking after roads, >public buildings etc. and the public administrators who don't do their >jobs well are fired (not assassinated) like any other employee.... FWP. Privatization will occur. People will, indeed, be hired to do the tasks you describe. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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One more reason to bash encrypt policy.
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tonight, on the CBS show "60 minutes", we saw as the first portion the story of Carlos Salinas, the ex-president of Mexico, and his brother Raul, who managed to acquire $300 million despite the fact that his legitimate income never exceeded $190,000 in any year. Well, Raul's in jail now, and his probably-crooked brother is in self-imposed exile (escape?) in Ireland. Okay, you ask, is this relevant to Cypherpunks? Sure! The government's wanting to maintain an encryption policy to ensure that it is capable of reading encrypted traffic, right? Well, the Bush and Clinton administration signed NAFTA with Mexico when it was run by a crook. Where was the CIA? The NSA? Raul's money went through Citibank. Where's the FBI? Isn't that one of the reasons we have such agencies? Or is corruption among family members of the Presidend an old and established practice? (Cattle futures? Sounds like a lotta bull to me!) Why wasn't this stuff revealed by the US government? Did it consider this corruption a failure? Or a SUCCESS? If we can't trust the US government to keep us from dealing with sleazy government's like Mexico, and exposing them, then why are we signing long-term trade agreements with them? How much of Raul's money was due to NAFTA, for example? Anyway, I think here's yet another reason to reject any kind of "National Crypto Policy" that's claimed to allow the government to snoop: Clearly, they can't even be trusted to do the right thing with their information when they don't have to decrypt it. I sure as hell am not going to expect them to do any better in the future. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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The Reno Text.....
by Censored Girls Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I read the Reno text from John Young's site. Now not wanting to get into technical details, It sure seemed kinda chilling to me. The first "loaded word" she used was 'consensus'. And from there on in, it was all downhill. I would suggest that you read it. Love Always Carol Anne Member Internet Society - Certified BETSI Programmer - Webmistress *********************************************************************** Carol Anne Braddock (cab8) carolann(a)censored.org 206.42.112.96 My Homepage The Cyberdoc *********************************************************************** ------------------ PGP.ZIP Part [017/713] ------------------- M8H,),S$8G>&.WP(8IRA`-M['+`Q%&_C"">5-F%LX@<_Q$;*P'',Q$Z/AA[8M MF=O0H+*%(-S%&>S%+FS&<LS%3(Q&#W1"<]2%`H^;,]^1C$'HBN8PX$4SYAU^ MPGD<Q0ZLA0D+,`MCT!LA**4M[-JPAK9F?40!AJ,CW"'%DR#:'9?Q)3[%<DQ` ------------------------------------------------------------- for next chunk to export --> http://dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/export/

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Re: CDT Policy Post 2.25 - Senate Encrypti
by shabbir＠vtw.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Damn, we've been found out. I don't suppose anyone will notice the fact that although I've helped with the preparation for the SAFE day, I won't actually be attending the event. Clearly, I don't want to get caught. -Shabbir J. Safdar * Online Representative * Voters Telecomm. Watch (VTW) http://www.vtw.org/ * Defending Your Rights In Cyberspace PS On a more serious note, I can't get testimony into the record for this hearing if you don't send it to me. Sooo...please either fill out the form at http://www.crypto.com/submit/ or if you find that format too constraining, just send it to me in email. I'll see what I can do to make sure PGP signatures are reproduced intact in the Congressional Record. Most everyone I know cannot simply jaunt off to D.C. for a day. Why not at least make your voice heard? anonymous-remailer(a)shell.portal.com writes: >WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT THIS VIOLATION OF OUR RIGHTS? EVER HERE THAT >IN THE US VOTES ARE supposed to be *****SECRET*****??? NO MORE! > >Why does the vtw cdt etc want to hand over your name to the us gov? Notice >how there's two events one on the east cost and the other on the west coast. >Why is that? So they can get more names! > >Read carefully: > >>TELL CONGRESS WHY ENCRYPTION IS IMPORTANT TO YOU - ADD YOUR VOICE TO THE >>CONGRESSIONAL RECORD >> >>Senator Burns, Senator Patrick Leahy (D-VT) and the other sponosors of the >>Pro-CODE bill want to hear from the Net.community about why encryption is >>important to privacy and security on the Internet. >> >>Please be sure to visit http://www.crypto.com/ and add your voice to the >>debate over encryption policy on Capitol Hill. Responses will be tabulated >>and the results, along with selected statements, will be included in the >>Congressional Record by Senator Conrad Burns. The restults will also be >>featured during the Security and Freedom through Encryption Forum (SAFE) on >>July 1 (details on that event are attached below). >> >>To add your voice to the crypto debate in Congress, visit: >> >> http://www.crypto.com/submit/ >> > >Right. Sure. And then they have a record of all the ppl interested in >cryptoprivacy (keep reading) > >>ATTEND THE SAFE FORUM - JULY 1, 1996 STANFORD CALIFORNIA >> >>On July 1, 1996, in the heart of California's Silicon Valley at Stanford >>University, members of Congress, prominent computer industry leaders and >>privacy advocates will meet to discuss the need to reform U.S. encryption >>policy. >> >>The event is FREE and open to the public, but space is limited and is going >>fast. To find out more, and to reserve your free ticket, visit the SAFE >>Forum Web Page at: >> >> http://www.crypto.com/safe/ >> > >And sign up for a free trip to the roundup of people who want privacy. Coming >soon to a police state near you. WHY THE FUCK DO THEY NEED TO KNOW YOUR >NAME FOR THIS SHIT??? WHY IS NO ONE ASKING THIS??? > >Look carefully at who's sponsoring this. Who are they, and where does >the money come from? Hint: three letters. > >Notice how they don't use PGP to sign the msg? Wonder why? What does PRZ >say about this? > >Is there anyone we trust involved who can answer for this? > >[///// THIS LINE ADDED BY EZBBS-MAIL / DO NOT DELETE / MSGID-33f1a9 / END //// >/] >

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Re: Zimmerman/Viacrypt
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Also note that "PGP" is Phil's trademark. If Viacrypt wants to market an 'escrowed' encryption utility that is compatabile with PGP, they can if they use their own code and if they don't use the trademark. --Rob. On 23 Jun 96 at 12:17, Rich Burroughs wrote: [..] > Phil's feelings about PGP are a different matter, though. If he feels it > shouldn't be used that way, and that Viacrypt has violated their agreement, > then he should pursue it, IMHO. It doesn't necessarily follow that he's > just using it as an excuse to wrest the commercial version from them. He > may feel they really have gone beyond what was agreed upon. I suppose it > will be up to the courts to decide whether the escrow system is a "back > door" or not. --- No-frills sig. Befriend my mail filter by sending a message with the subject "send help" Key-ID: 5D3F2E99 1996/04/22 wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com (root@magneto) AB1F4831 1993/05/10 Deranged Mutant <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key.

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(Fwd) Re: MD5 collisions
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This was sent to me today. Rob. ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 20:03:16 -0400 From: Zbigniew Fiedorowicz <fiedorow(a)math.ohio-state.edu> Subject: Re: MD5 collisions It is very easy to add SHA1 hash capability to the existing PGP sources. The patch is about 17K in size and there is an extra module which actually implements SHA1. I've put this up on my web page: http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~fiedorow/PGP Zig Fiedorowicz

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Re: L&J: Libertarians
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 23 Jun 96 at 22:21, s1113645(a)tesla.cc.uottawa.ca wrote: > David Friedman (<http://www.best.com/~ddfr> Thanks for the reference > > Anybody who discuss it openly on the net and plan to implement it will > > get killed by governments (pick your favorite one). I find it very > You don't see death > squads going after old anti-government Milton Friedman, do you? I guess I made myself misunderstood. I meant to reply to Jim Bell mentionning that he would like to see some peoples interested in discussing the implementation of AP. It is very different than just talking about (against) govt. > No offense meant, but have a couple of Valiums, J-F. No. No offense meant, but you are wrong here. Did you read Assasination Politics? By the nature of it, govt employees will get killed and *this* warrant trying to kill everybody they would suspect of setting up an AP server. > > And communicating with each other with PGP without remailers would > > probably put us instantly on a hit list. To quote a famous french > Use a nym. I do. No offense, but please, re-read the paragraph. That is exactly what I meant... > They already have such a thing. <snip> After all, Cypress Hill, > Hyperreal.com, High Times and The Economist are still in business. Did you read the AP essay? I don't think so otherwise you wouldn't have commented in that sense. What you say is true but IMO, AP is absolutely different from The Economist. Remember, it entails asassination of govt employees... > > C'Punks has a total cumulative > > subscription of, say, 10000 (out of the blue number), which represent > Closer to 1000. Send a "who cypherpunks" to majordomo(a)toad.com I did not say "subscription", but "cumulative subscription". I think that C'Punks is having around 1500 subscribers theses days. > ;-) In the past little while <snip> Interesting and good luck for the future! > I really do think it's necessary for people to read a good book <snip> wholehartedly agreed > The subject of "anarchy vs. statism" doesn't really have much to do with > politics, really. It's all economics. <snip> Somehow agreed. Regards JFA

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"Building the 21st Century Enterprise"
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just got a piece of junk snail with these words on it. It's an ad for "Financial Technology World Conference 1996". Highlight: Luncheon Speaker, September 17, 12:30-1:30 pm Dr. Nathaniel Borenstein Chief Scientist First Virtual Holdings, Inc As Chief Scientist of First Vortual Holdings, Nathaniel Borenstein created the first operational Internet payment system. It includes his picture. What can I say... I wouldn't buy a falafel in the street from this guy. :-) The conference is run my Miller Freeman, (212) 615-2765. I considered coming to heckle him, until I saw that this isn't even free: CONFERENCE FEES Fee is $795 per person... I suppose the audience will be limited to the people willing to pay lots of money to listen to Dr. Nathaniel. Very amused, --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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private message to anonymous recipient
by bryce＠digicash.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- C'Punks, I sincerely apologize for this breach of netiquette, but I can't figure out any other way to be sure of contacting my interlocutors. Please be patient with us, we'll have a better anon channel soon. Bryce - -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6.2i Comment: Auto-encrypted under Unix with 'BAP' Easy-PGP v1.1b2 hIwDulymyOnirHUBBACLxoU/DOrHiwd/4eedAqcMpeVBHJskv4mcFnG97Nxll6OV xRqNmVY7UT7HV6+8TgNsVPHtIz2gd76pT6gdscbZxFOnXNTOMR1c8kH/W0PZh8LY kE0WxxWyqghnw4j98jMCs1al+aMSKE9CzGVPM5v3iZjTO6taOguvOFaBzDSvwYRs A0jbHy8sKZitAQL+JDc20xS/fZPsIENngCyKcE7f8QsR85PhuQrBQeZuNsuOPU2v 5CbewkQR/+z3uzyJAfCcOUoXrPDecaMmyFYxrzjjYcjNhoxRDKEJa+X+SscvlcEp T06KDNUZrrXDUUevhIwDkJRPiBSKEeUBBACfB3dE6Izxr3V6qfnxgE3P09Tb1hNI 30ZcahXWwWMPnkIPXOESyNbSYquV+2Inw0sSumCk7A+uwSDQEdv7T+7NxnBBO6Cx EvUkOKIFa5ApyU38b/NjVeYK9XjOY5Zxz3smUwaRtCJwKSF/RfP/oRF465ZfiIaU 0bzo8Dx5o9H1bKYAAAHAl8upwh5wHWT+3xV89Vl0e+dsONfexbR28ON8o53gbLu1 UpgMhg3+ezSkPlaW5nXoDhME1Miwdi9/J9Rq3/CzF+jY4gus9pEobJ8MRZBLe2Lh O1cBCDzyzSJcQdt1kbItfMfKkm2PMKHYt+SyzR1l9hHq42UBqw6qGfbj0SiQ8hWf hwoAeL0xo2bfgwTYEX35QVc5FD5fEEAcsFOqgB/VzuxOfR9ydH1saOux8aXoF3N9 v/Y3pGMNxlAb+7NThv+Dt/GFK+3CnT9HbNE1h//SZL16THYByB1CzWqfUhrhW0XU BfPHkReKTnei5Tc9Hblu0JrGOctIKIjZiyRIJAZzPg2zq/lVwOdB5glZRtJ0LAID yvwODNXG71wLl2x8+jVFxCJTK5bAsQvluQXNwq8lPaDiJrBjsCWTYEbHXLnue4jO xvQQf+yGDLISXB1yVKUf0peuYSn6pmFw5pcftXbSE5hb5W1bkh7bUZs0nDt2AELa n/Ao8rnVWqiopUheIqIxEmxJZc4X99mTMQMUD4yr7ieR7+YtIkawOU4pGTyGZawM 3D5TFQdLphOUF512qGIxGbbg8NsZaPeIF133kHGOmw== =nVvT - -----END PGP MESSAGE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i Comment: Auto-signed under Unix with 'BAP' Easy-PGP v1.1b2 iQB1AwUBMc51q0jbHy8sKZitAQELJwMAubh35EvdnyJnRMb7aPS7SRiLuR5nZaFz HNDM7YzwRJn+O9DFrrYiXSKGuGvQ4QPs3PRJ+UqbrbgNe6brXyMrMuHwRqELR+yI uI4a2b4XBLGMVxutlznqYs221w7P3DSi =/xkk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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