December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by nobody＠replay.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>While I don't believe many people in government are "evil" or have "bad >intentions," I'm a strong believer that _systemic_ or _institutional_ evil >is possible. Thus, the wide opposition to mandatory key escrow, just as >civil libertarians of all stripes would oppose mandatory tatooing of >national I.D. barcodes on arms, or the mandatory retro-fitting of all homes >with special curtains containing a police-accessible "transparency mode." And the vision of 1984 looms ever closer. Pity you guys guessed....your activites have put us 12 years behind schedule to date, and we're not happy about that. --NSA

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Re: The Utility of Privacy
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:03 PM 11/17/1996, Black Unicorn wrote: >On Sun, 17 Nov 1996, Huge Cajones Remailer wrote: >> Are there similar sources of information calculating privacy risk? I >> don't think so. > >Ah, so let's ignore the risks, on the grounds that we have no idea what >they might be, or their magnitude. That's clever. I like that. The risks are not being ignored. What is there to fear? >> Informally, I don't know anybody who has suffered due to a loss of >> privacy. > >Your circle of associations must be limited. Examples? >> My question remains unanswered, probably because privacy isn't worth >> the effort. > >And no one can answer that question but you. Privacy is a personal >decision. I'm sure there are many out there who will suffer no harm even >if their SSN is published in the Wall Street Journal. The experience of others has value. >Why, however, fail to take out insurance when the cost is so low? Really >it doesn't take much in the way of effort or money to assure one's >privacy. (Hint: It's getting cheaper every day in some ways). > >Answer: Nearly all of the cost of privacy is concentrated in set up cost. >Maintaince costs are minimal once set up has been made. Yet getting over >that first hurdle is the biggest leap. Good. We are getting somewhere.

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Re: Does John Gilmore...
by George A. Stathis 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:04 ìì 17/11/1996 -0500, Black Unicorn wrote: >> Given that the free market rule is "he who has the money makes the >> rules", please explain how anything less than "subsidized speech" (as >> you put it) is anything close to free speech? >> >> [For those who's assumptions rule their perception: I am *not* arguing >> that all speech should be subsidized. I am merely pointing out that >> the organization that is spending the money to broadcast is >> controlling the speech, hence it is *not* free speech in terms of >> freedom or cost.] >Again, you confuse free speech with free broadcast. Well, I propose a solution to this problem: I don't mind paying fees in fact, if the prices are reasonable. For instance THIS text was _paid_ for, since I pay my Internet provider a certain amount of money every month. It would be unthinkable, however, that my Internet Provider would mess around with THIS text, or with ANY opinion of mine (I am sure you agree). Now, a mailing list has _some_ similarities to the services of an Internet provider, except (usually) the _cost_. I am sure Mr. Gilmore would be more than happy to be _paid_ for the (faulty) services he provides (to his list-members), since e.g. 1900 members times $1 per 2 months (shall we say) would earn him (shall we say) 950 dollars a month; Not much perhaps in some countries, but enough in most places as compensation for the services he provides. The problem with Mr. Gilmore (apart from being an asshole) is really that he is rather a thick-minded proponent of censorship of his list's 'eccentric' members, that such subtleties don't even cross his mind. >Forward complaints to : European Association of Envelope Manufactures >Finger for Public Key Gutenbergstrasse 21;Postfach;CH-3001;Bern >Vote Monarchist Switzerland "Heaven is a place policed by the English, cheered-up by the the Greeks, and organized by the Germans. Hell is a place organized by the Greeks, policed by the Germans, and cheered-up by the English." ...And what have the noble Swiss got to with this shit? They are the bankers for both! :-) Regards George

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No Subject
by Bovine Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The report estimated no such thing..its an urban myth. Give me a citation for the statistic from the report. On Sun, 17 Nov 1996, blanc wrote: > From: Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM [cut] > dv: I don't think John Gilmore's sexual practices are *that* bizarre. > The Kinsey report estimates that 10% of the population shares his > practices. > > bw: I guess you think you're talking to someone who gives a flip.

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Re: [Fwd: National Emergency]
by Bob Faw 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:15 PM 11/17/96 -0700, you wrote: >This information may be of interest to you. Forwarded with permission. > >--RJ Dawnne Gee Why Dawnne, this is only logical--considering that the new "WEB-access TV" set announced this week has been declared a "weapon" for export purposes by our government. When our leaders consider public information to be a threat to national security, we're in a whole lot more trouble than most folks realize. bob faw p.s. Go to bed, dude, it's getting late. ;-) bob ----------------------------------|------------------------------------- B. D. "Bob" Faw |NewMedia Editor, Columnist, Webmaster Poet, Scholar, WordSmith, Engineer|"American Wine on the Web" http://www.eee.org/bobfaw/ | (a complete Internet wine magazine) bob_faw(a)eee.org | http://www.2way.com/food/wine/ bfaw(a)cello.gina.calstate.edu| newbie(a)pobox.com author(a)pobox.com |Senior Writer, "Faultline" TV Series ----------------------------------|------------------------------------- Webmaster, "The Journal of International Information Management" (JIIM) http://bpa1.aic.csusb.edu/pages/students/info479/bfaw/jiim/ ----------------------------------|-------------------------------------

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BayLISA: Randal Schwartz, Just Another Convicted Perl Hacker (fwd)
by Rich Graves 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This should be QUITE entertaining. -rich ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 17 Nov 1996 19:03:17 -0500 From: Laura de Leon <deleon(a)cat.hpl.hp.com> Newsgroups: ba.announce Subject: BayLISA: Randal Schwartz, Just Another Convicted Perl Hacker The BayLISA group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to systems and network administrators. The meetings are free and open to the public. BayLISA holds monthly meetings on the third Thursday of each month at 7:30 PM PST. We meet at Cisco building J in San Jose, on Tasman Drive near First street. (This is across the street from the room we met in at Cisco last month). See www.baylisa.org for more information. The meetings are also broadcast via MBONE. NOTE: AS OF OCTOBER, WE HAVE MOVED TO CISCO. This is a new location. Thanks very much to Synopsys for hosting us. Schedule -------- November 21 Randal Schwartz: Just Another Convicted Perl Hacker This talk will describe how the speaker became a felon in the process of doing his job as a systems administrator in the well-publicized Oregon v. Schwartz case (victim: Intel). It will include some points about Oregon's current law and the implications of this case on the computer community. There will be a special focus on how to make sure this doesn't happen to you. There will be copies of Randal's new PERL book available if you would like to get one signed. BayLISA Board Elections & member meeting before the regular meeting At 7:00, Elections for the BayLISA board will be held. We encourage all members to vote. If you aren't a member, this is a good time to join (see our Web site) December 19 Our Holiday meeting-- Join us to share goodies and computer horror stories, as well as descriptions of stupid computer tricks. There will be a prize for best story. This is a very informal meeting, and will not be broadcast on the MBONE. January 16 Brent Chapman, Containment Zones (firewalls to keep people in) February 20 Standards efforts and how they will effect you March 20 Paul Vixie [Schedule subject to change] For further information on BayLISA, check out our web site: http://www.baylisa.org/ To get further information on the meeting location, you can also ftp it from ftp.baylisa.org:/location For any other information, please send email to: info(a)baylisa.org If you have any questions, please contact me or the info alias listed above.

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FC97 Final Call for Papers
by R.Hirschfeld＠cwi.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Financial Cryptography '97 February 24-28 1997, Anguilla, BWI FINAL CALL FOR PAPERS General Information: Financial Cryptography '97 (FC97) is a new conference on the security of digital financial transactions. The first meeting will be held on the island of Anguilla in the British West Indies on February 24-28, 1997. FC97 aims to bring together persons involved in both the financial and data security fields to foster cooperation and exchange of ideas. Original papers are solicited on all aspects of financial data security and digital commerce in general, including Anonymous Payments Fungibility Authentication Home Banking Communication Security Identification Conditional Access Implementations Copyright Protection Loss Tolerance Credit/Debit Cards Loyalty Mechanisms Currency Exchange Legal Aspects Digital Cash Micropayments Digital Receipts Network Payments Digital Signatures Privacy Issues Economic Implications Regulatory Issues Electronic Funds Transfer Smart Cards Electronic Purses Standards Electronic Voting Tamper Resistance Electronic Wallets Transferability Instructions for Authors: Send a cover letter and 9 copies of an extended abstract to be received by November 29, 1996 to the Program Chair at the address given below. The extended abstract should start with the title and an abstract followed by a succinct statement appropriate for a non-specialist reader specifying the subject addressed, its background, the main achievements, and their significance to financial data security. Submissions are limited to 15 single-spaced pages of 12pt type. Notification of acceptance or rejection will be sent to authors no later than January 17, 1997. Authors of accepted papers must guarantee that their paper will be presented at the conference. Proceedings: Proceedings of the conference will be published online in the Journal of Internet Banking and Commerce. Instructions and deadlines for submission of final papers will be sent along with notification of acceptance. Stipends: A very limited number of stipends may be available to those unable to obtain funding to attend the conference. Students whose papers are accepted and who will present the paper themselves are encouraged to apply if such assistance is needed. Requests for stipends should be addressed to one of the General Chairs. Registration: Conference registration and information on travel, hotels, and Anguilla itself is available at URL http://www.offshore.com.ai/fc97/. Workshop: A workshop, intended for anyone with commercial software development experience who wants hands-on familiarity with the issues and technology of financial cryptography, is planned in conjunction with FC97, to be held during the week preceding the conference. For further information, please contact one of the General Chairs. Send Submissions to: Rafael Hirschfeld FC97 Program Chair CWI Kruislaan 413 1098 SJ Amsterdam The Netherlands email: ray(a)cwi.nl phone: +31 20 592 4169 fax: +31 20 592 4199 Program Committee: Matthew Franklin, AT&T Laboratories--Research, Murray Hill, NJ, USA Michael Froomkin, U. Miami School of Law, Coral Gables, FL, USA Rafael Hirschfeld, CWI, Amsterdam, The Netherlands Arjen Lenstra, Citibank, New York, NY, USA Mark Manasse, Digital Equipment Corporation, Palo Alto, CA, USA Kevin McCurley, Sandia Laboratories, Albuquerque, NM, USA Charles Merrill, McCarter & English, Newark, NJ, USA Clifford Neuman, Information Sciences Institute, Marina del Rey, CA, USA Sholom Rosen, Citibank, New York, NY, USA Israel Sendrovic, Federal Reserve Bank of New York, New York, NY, USA General Chairs: Robert Hettinga, Shipwright, Boston, MA, USA email: rah(a)shipwright.com Vincent Cate, Offshore Information Services, Anguilla, BWI email: vince(a)offshore.com.ai Conference, Exhibits, and Sponsorship Manager: Julie Rackliffe, Boston, MA, USA email: rackliffe(a)tcm.org Workshop Leader: Ian Goldberg, Berkeley, CA, USA email: iang(a)cs.berkeley.edu Financial Cryptography '97 is held in cooperation with the International Association for Cryptologic Research. Those interested in becoming a sponsor of FC97 or in purchasing exhibit space, please contact the Exhibits and Sponsorship Manager. A copy of this call for papers as well as other information about the conference will be available at URL http://www.cwi.nl/conferences/FC97.

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Re: Cypherpunks, Inc?
by Remo Pini 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: azur(a)netcom.com, cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Mon Nov 18 14:00:17 1996 > Now why don't the cypherpunks put together something like the item > below? In fact, why don't we form some sort of Guild, trademark the term > cypherpunks (I'll volunteer) and offer cracking and security products > (like the one below) or services? A product security endorsement from > Cypherpunks Inc. could carry a lot of weight :-) "We", do, check out the cryptocd at www.rpini.com. - ------< fate favors the prepared mind >------ Remo Pini rp(a)rpini.com PGP: http://www.rpini.com/crypto/crypto.html - ----< words are what reality is made of >---- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv Comment: http://www.rpini.com/crypto/crypto.html iQEVAwUBMpBd4hFhy5sz+bTpAQFqewf/aJ/xx/hxZn1o/nMKJcLjauCpfcZmxX12 aGD2fJw8PncAzmZAnyxP0/ymK21+mdry1wZPsJXLtqrwJqT8nxPqEXXtfh19MHm9 HB1pDo0nYSOWfP7ENq3lNe995FGEvQ6EMiyy/7PxulcY+0T53Q78CTk6GD0KgPxd rqmfmxvqNuKERzCONhtirkiwkm2NjFT2ytd7H3VTFSUv7wIHGp2dFiiscC2csP2I XUlVlQ7w6TUGkO498qSY3wB+ZLHMYYkU21rvKgCTz4AZqmTLRWgZar5g3qlug1uS RA1r/GB3vfa6KuTcOGowt26FvROEsHu3ZSrZzOry8U0LMo2tgIcNtA== =vtPA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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FC97 Final Call for Papers
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Sender: e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com Reply-To: R.Hirschfeld(a)cwi.nl Precedence: Bulk Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:46:13 +0100 From: R.Hirschfeld(a)cwi.nl To: Multiple recipients of <e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com> Subject: FC97 Final Call for Papers Financial Cryptography '97 February 24-28 1997, Anguilla, BWI FINAL CALL FOR PAPERS General Information: Financial Cryptography '97 (FC97) is a new conference on the security of digital financial transactions. The first meeting will be held on the island of Anguilla in the British West Indies on February 24-28, 1997. FC97 aims to bring together persons involved in both the financial and data security fields to foster cooperation and exchange of ideas. Original papers are solicited on all aspects of financial data security and digital commerce in general, including Anonymous Payments Fungibility Authentication Home Banking Communication Security Identification Conditional Access Implementations Copyright Protection Loss Tolerance Credit/Debit Cards Loyalty Mechanisms Currency Exchange Legal Aspects Digital Cash Micropayments Digital Receipts Network Payments Digital Signatures Privacy Issues Economic Implications Regulatory Issues Electronic Funds Transfer Smart Cards Electronic Purses Standards Electronic Voting Tamper Resistance Electronic Wallets Transferability Instructions for Authors: Send a cover letter and 9 copies of an extended abstract to be received by November 29, 1996 to the Program Chair at the address given below. The extended abstract should start with the title and an abstract followed by a succinct statement appropriate for a non-specialist reader specifying the subject addressed, its background, the main achievements, and their significance to financial data security. Submissions are limited to 15 single-spaced pages of 12pt type. Notification of acceptance or rejection will be sent to authors no later than January 17, 1997. Authors of accepted papers must guarantee that their paper will be presented at the conference. Proceedings: Proceedings of the conference will be published online in the Journal of Internet Banking and Commerce. Instructions and deadlines for submission of final papers will be sent along with notification of acceptance. Stipends: A very limited number of stipends may be available to those unable to obtain funding to attend the conference. Students whose papers are accepted and who will present the paper themselves are encouraged to apply if such assistance is needed. Requests for stipends should be addressed to one of the General Chairs. Registration: Conference registration and information on travel, hotels, and Anguilla itself is available at URL http://www.offshore.com.ai/fc97/. Workshop: A workshop, intended for anyone with commercial software development experience who wants hands-on familiarity with the issues and technology of financial cryptography, is planned in conjunction with FC97, to be held during the week preceding the conference. For further information, please contact one of the General Chairs. Send Submissions to: Rafael Hirschfeld FC97 Program Chair CWI Kruislaan 413 1098 SJ Amsterdam The Netherlands email: ray(a)cwi.nl phone: +31 20 592 4169 fax: +31 20 592 4199 Program Committee: Matthew Franklin, AT&T Laboratories--Research, Murray Hill, NJ, USA Michael Froomkin, U. Miami School of Law, Coral Gables, FL, USA Rafael Hirschfeld, CWI, Amsterdam, The Netherlands Arjen Lenstra, Citibank, New York, NY, USA Mark Manasse, Digital Equipment Corporation, Palo Alto, CA, USA Kevin McCurley, Sandia Laboratories, Albuquerque, NM, USA Charles Merrill, McCarter & English, Newark, NJ, USA Clifford Neuman, Information Sciences Institute, Marina del Rey, CA, USA Sholom Rosen, Citibank, New York, NY, USA Israel Sendrovic, Federal Reserve Bank of New York, New York, NY, USA General Chairs: Robert Hettinga, Shipwright, Boston, MA, USA email: rah(a)shipwright.com Vincent Cate, Offshore Information Services, Anguilla, BWI email: vince(a)offshore.com.ai Conference, Exhibits, and Sponsorship Manager: Julie Rackliffe, Boston, MA, USA email: rackliffe(a)tcm.org Workshop Leader: Ian Goldberg, Berkeley, CA, USA email: iang(a)cs.berkeley.edu Financial Cryptography '97 is held in cooperation with the International Association for Cryptologic Research. Those interested in becoming a sponsor of FC97 or in purchasing exhibit space, please contact the Exhibits and Sponsorship Manager. A copy of this call for papers as well as other information about the conference will be available at URL http://www.cwi.nl/conferences/FC97. --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "The cost of anything is the foregone alternative" -- Walter Johnson The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/

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DOO_dad
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Several pieces on the export of encryption regs, the crypto czar, Motorola's crypto modem, PGP's buy of PrivNet, and Keytronic's finger-ID keyboard. Professor Denning opines that the HP doodad will include GAK. ----- http://jya.com/doodad.txt DOO_dad ---------- The NYT has a long report today on a pedophile computer racket run from a prison. With details on how investigators were able to break through hard drive security and use DejaNews to track a suspect. A prison computer business was used to cloak the kiddy pixels. Red flags the Internet's lurid prospects compared to the virtues of do-me-dads like the Times. see: www.nytimes.com

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