December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: whine politics again
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Monique Lamont wrote: > on the subject of wine-importing restrictions in florida: > tcmay wrote: > > Every day that passes, I'm more convinced that McVeigh did the right > thing. > > Some innocents died, but, hey, war is hell. Broken eggs and all > that. > it's illegal to ship wine to floridans now, so therefore it is okay > to execute the responsible officials and blow up innocents. > > HELLO PEOPLE! buy a clue from the Discount Clue Store, and > while you are out, stop by the Jiffy Lube and get your > common human decency refilled. > alice0 > --------------------------------------------------------- > Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > --------------------------------------------------------- aliceO wants the innocents to live so that she can spam them to death from her account at hotmail.com. They're better off dying quick and painlessly... SpamMonger

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Re: Disinformation in L.A.
by jimbell＠pacifier.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:14 5/11/97 EDT, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: >I bet the NCSA folks are kicking themselves for missing the opportunity >to have Jim Bell speak at InfoWarCon 96 :-) Hey, there's always 1997! Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Announcing: a new John Wiley book on Web Security
by Avi Rubin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Announcing: The Web Security Sourcebook (John Wiley & Sons, Inc.) by Avi Rubin, Dan Geer, Marcus Ranum foreward by Steve Bellovin A new book on all aspects of web security. More information can be found at http://www.clark.net/pub/mjr/websec/ ********************************************************************* Aviel D. Rubin rubin(a)research.att.com Secure Systems Research Dept. Adjunct Professor at NYU AT&T Research Labs 180 Park Avenue http://www.research.att.com/~rubin/ Florham Park, NJ 07932-0971 Voice: +1 973 360-8356 USA FAX: +1 973 360-8809

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Re: Dr. Vulis
by The Spectre 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Tue May 13 09:55:34 1997 > Dimi (Closet Homo) isa pimply old dweeb sitting at a Xenix 286 > computer masturbating at his own imagined cleverness. > This is the down side to anonymous remailers.. I think if you don't have the balls to say something, don't say it. Obviously, someone is saying something they don't wan't other people to think they think.. I am, obviously, tired of adding filters to my mailbox. Please knock off this bullshit. I think whoever posted this is a pimply young asshole sitting on a c64 attempting to masturbate himself but can't find a microscope with high enough magnification. - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzM2vJwAAAEH/1uuDgh1udD+DbU9ies8Lst3j7bmlM+m+aN0gVwerfx+uA14 AG6RDZwwCLwCZYxh0/AizW1b25nHs5XDFW7QIVo1/agtbyz3rt7plcp3wi+rXPxo zFPgILegG2k81mHYIYVJ1g9bEExVGsNc7GMthkaOjPL2VYirQPRtAa4ZZc6JuCLH I85xIcwuLppYajUU4WMMf4yz+5w1WtTlHdL9+ec6BHoF+fOhsF/8DMd5nveFl0aM G52t+z6okMw9vFjLbEtj0BbDRsMjRJNM5uFQWzU+nPEaUzVP+MySe/yrjR2P3dZa UKjpG3Er7U4DV7rb8mE20Wet10jJoALjG8yMZrUABRG0HVRoZSBTcGVjdHJlIDxz cGVjdHJlQG5hYy5uZXQ+iQEVAwUQM0qy66AC4xvMjGa1AQGNLAf/QY5SyC/jybOQ asYfNqhPFip0gZwUutOOgPdyrEsXoxFOWJ9OG95dzvNJ3of22zh4RLusUt5NT7lB DFUKiP4aQsNf5XmW+qk/R1nmqyO/XHAAAdIos2SGsYew2d3JatIlFZIQ+vMkEOC0 +oPotz7effhkDKeYl+Qdla9eZ1C47Be2NrA1sH26jKYhCob6VnAK+zAin8ZPEnb0 XEKQTMVdE2ehv2Q8PxygZhDI0L6sM6EgguvDWjJuGN4bIhxh22dAyNRJ7CVQsqwV rj4TtkAuqUb0nyQvD2xUeJcB/O+1LCH7oFBE4EG1qEIl7asVjEURrfej7OwxRrA0 J0Lc5tZToA== =tS4W - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBM3hy1qAC4xvMjGa1AQHocQf/Spz1KiQluhmediPl0Z8L7RwmJIbIW85+ 0hmYBAyhodH78oZHr3JKtiqFExjX68jlQDUDWqiJetnmU2ywyncW0RcjwuNigM4C LYBRhTK1lxcMO1pkl9E8K4KF4UW/zRbkgfkCczVJHpeTkjTu7MuHKVxkeguugANt iUQCTl8+eu5uHBt1GzrwBUwOgDZoOGtt+rFacBoBBbP8cXvibMZBn73BS/pEmApL qY3OScaqz9CQ554m5fysA64zoI8wt4Y8pPtnz6lcv7l01yMJCH6I5FUOARHpe2YP TObQL+c2QlRVkjpP7MJj7VtC2n7W5pD4G+Aj8qV+166WZHjT5jlQ8w== =WZ6c -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: PGP
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Given Timmy C[retin] May's propensity to molest little children, is it any surprise that the state of California wants to have him castrated? ,,, (o-o) -ooO-(_)-Ooo- Timmy C[retin] May

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Re: War & InfoWar
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

frissell(a)panix.com wrote: >But Blanc,what if "It Takes A Village to Raise a Child" and the village is trying to raise my child against my will. In that case, the only way to handle things is to destroy the village. Not to save it,but to save my child. > >Think about it. ...................................................... Well, I thought about it, while the list was on vacation. You're right, Duncan. Where should we start? Truthfully, I don't think you've stockpiled any explosives to use for such an act, and even if you had, I don't believe you would use them. You'd have to pay someone else to do the deed, and even so you'd probably start reflecting on all those other people's itty bitty children who would have to lose their lives in that total destruction, and chicken out. .. Blanc .. Blanc

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VideoWorld Justice
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From "Video Justice" TV show: "The video camera has evolved from passive observer to active participant" (in the war on crime). Golly gee, government wants to use video cameras to monitor citizens everywhere, all the time, and now we have a primetime TV show dedicated to convincing the citizens that the surveillance camera is their best friend. What a coincidence! With a dozen TV shows already championing law enforcement personnel with neatly pressed uniforms saving the citizens from bad guys wearing T-shirts, its refreshing to see fresh propaganda which informs us that surveillance technology is our new best friend. It was so enlightening to hear criminologists and prosecutors praise the emotional charge generated by seeing perpetrators "laugh" as they "terrorized" people by shooting them with paintball guns resulting in their receiving four years in prison instead of the one year that the prosecutor expected. ( 4 perps x 4 years x $65,000/year = > $ 1,000,000.00 of taxpayer money spent to incarcerate people who splatter someone with paint and laugh about it. If Tim May owns a paintball gun, then I guess that he can add to his list of potential felonies.) We also learn that surveillance cameras are "Invaluable weapons of enforcement in government stings" and that "The evidence they provide is incontestable." It sounds like we will no longer need judges and juries once the citizens are fully monitored. We are told that John Law is protected from claims of entrapment by the irrefutable evidence provided by their video taping of the government sting. Naturally, we only see a selective two minute tape of the entire operation. No video/sound recording of the setup of the victim/criminal is shown. There was no video shown of police brutality (ala Rodney King) and no questioning of why the technology is only geared toward showing what goes on in front of the camera, leaving the citizen unprotected once the officer takes him or her out its visual range. (Of course, any deviation from the "Sainthood of Authority" script would result in the show's producers losing access to the cheap source of their video propaganda.) Where is the legislation being put forth to require law enforcement personnel under video surveillance to prevent them from engaging in crimes against the citizens? Harassing them, beating them, becoming the source of crack flowing into their neighborhoods, spending hours and days manipulating them into a two-minute video scene which is staged to provide "incontestable evidence" of their guilt. Video cameras are commonplace to watch the citizens in banks in case someone tries to "steal" a few hundred or a few thousand dollars. Where are the video cameras that watch the bankers in order to provide evidence of their possible criminal actions? Video surveillance technology is the same old story. Provide a few emotionally charged scenes to scare the citizens, offer them a form of "protection" and then institute the technology in a one-way vector which points only at those on the bottom of the food chain. Same technological shit, different day. TruthMonger

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ANNOUNCEMENT Crypto Forum May 22, 1997, New York City
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Sender: Law & Policy of Computer Communications > <CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM> >From: "Abramson, Ron" <abramson(a)HUGHESHUBBARD.COM> >Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT Crypto Forum May 22, 1997, New York City > >Cryptography Forum >May 22, 1997 at 7:00 p.m. >Association of the Bar of the City of New York >22 West 44th Street, New York City > >Interested persons are invited to attend. No fee or >reservation is required. > >TITLE OF PROGRAM: >Guns, Ammunition and Cryptography: Is the Government's >Policy on Digital Encryption Creating a Crisis? > >A moderated panel will discuss issues raised by the >Government's policy on cryptography. > >MODERATOR: >Charles R. Nesson, Professor, Harvard Law School > >PANELISTS: >Jim Bidzos >President and CEO, RSA Data Security, Inc. > >Scott Charney >Computer Crime Unit, Department of Justice > >Kenneth W. Dam >Professor, University of Chicago Law School; Chair, >National Research Council Committee to Study National >Cryptography Policy > >Dorothy E. Denning >Professor, Computer Science Department, Georgetown >University > >David J. Farber >Professor, Computer and Information Science and Electrical >Engineering Departments, University of Pennsylvania > >Marc Rotenberg >Director, Electronic Privacy Information Center > >Sponsored by the Committees on Computer Law, Civil Rights, >Science and the Law, and Symposia, of the Association of >the Bar of the City of New York > >For additional information, e-mail jzammit(a)fulbright.com or >dcohen(a)bway.net > > # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Re: War & InfoWar
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Robert Hettinga wrote: >Ah. A 90's version of Freddy Hayek's "Road to Serfdom", maybe? >A turn-of-the-new-century Phabian Society needs a Stalin to make it's >dreams reality? > >Be careful what you wish for, ladies and germs... ............................................................. Well, now, what exactly do you mean? How does this relate to bombing a village, with all its communists & captives, out of existence? .. Blanc .. Blanc

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Re: `careerpunks'
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back wrote: > Seems to me many of the `cypherpunks' have become `careerpunks' and > are now more interested in trading crypto tips, trade gossip, than in > cypherpunks projects. > > They went through the phase of buying kewl domain names (take a look > down the subscriber lists), tinkering with remailers, and have now > graduated to making money from crypto consulting, and lost interest in > the issues where they don't add to the bottom line. People go through life changes and often try on different types of attire/lifestyles at various points along their time-line. Hopefully, they gather a few viewpoints and ideals along the way which will stay with them throughout the outward changes in their interests and directions in life. Doubtlessly, the cypherpunks list has sown many seeds of free thought which are growing in different ways throughout the cryptography industry. If enough of these seeds have sprouted successfully then there us always the possibility that the discussions on this list will play a part in a modicum of free thought being a part of the process by which future corporate decisions are made. Once one's consciousness (and conscience) has been exposed to a variety of viewpoints and influences it is harder to dismiss the views of others out-of-hand. Immersing oneself in a narrower technological arena of crypto interest such as is provided on the coderpunks and cryptography list is no doubt beneficial to increased crypto-technical expertise. For those who choose to retain their soul in the process, the cypherpunks list serves as an island of anarchy in which the tendency to merge into corporate robot- icism can be countered. TruthMonger

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