December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: "Countless third world deaths"--who cares?
by jbugden＠smtplink.alis.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hard Media <zaid(a)hardnet.co.uk> wrote: >Citibank is a major player in the third world debt crisis. [Thomas Bass interviewing Citibank's Walter Wriston] > goes on to ask if "Walter" has made any "bad loans" ie to >dictators and other nasty sorts >...jeez sorry but there's naivity and there's stupidity "Timothy C. May" <tcmay(a)got.net> wrote: >Money was lent for economic development projects...some worked, >some didn't. Lenders of money don't "cause" deaths. People are >responsible for their own actions, mostly. If their governments are >corrupt, they need to replace those governments. In Re: Stopping the buying of candidates "Timothy C. May" <tcmay(a)got.net> wrote >Our political system is already in thrall to various special interests; > [...] So be it. Let the highest bidder buy the government he can. In RE: wired wankers Dale Thorn <dthorn(a)gte.net> wrote: >These are very serious folks [Wriston et al.]. [...] > Don't get in their way unless you have an angel on your side. >An angel with a bag of cash, actually. In Re: Timmy May is a jerk "Timothy C. May" <tcmay(a)got.net> wrote: >I guess I'm not much of a joiner. I never donated to the United Way "Timothy C. May" <tcmay(a)got.net> wrote: >If this sounds harsh, so be it. >Cypherpunks is not about redistributing wealth. Ahh, but you don't really believe this. Your vision of cypherpunks is all about redistributing wealth. Just not in the sense you speak of. There is naivete and then there is complicity. James "Timothy C. May" <tcmay(a)got.net> wrote: >People are responsible for their own actions, mostly.

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New On WWW.Infowar.Com Vol I #3
by Betty G. O'Hearn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

New On WWW.Infowar.Com Take a look. Pass it on. We thank our sponsors: National Computer Security Association Open Source Solutions New Dimensions International - Security Training Secure Computing Corporation HOMECOM Communications There is a lot included in this newsletter including the RELEASE DATE of Winn Schwartau's new book., "Information Warfare Cyberterrorism: Protecting Your Personal Security In the Electronic Age." _____________________________________________________________ On www.infowar.com: What's New **December 2, 1996** deadline and call for papers for the 1997 IEEE Symposium on Security and Privacy In Russia, they don't have Ghost Busters!! They say they've figured out how to crack DES and other crypto services. You have to read this important announcement. DoctrineLINK - the most comprehensive online guide to military doctrine currently available. PKZip Trogan Horse.... Distribute to your security personnel. Beware of the Answering Machine Scam!!! 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Re: Stopping the buying of candidates
by Matthew J. Miszewski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> >"Wink, wink. Nudge, nudge, Senator. Look at your account balance > >tomorrow. Never forget the National Association of Manufacturers was > >there for you" (Obviously a completely random selection 8-) > While I have worked through essentially none of the details, if the system > can be implemented well enough, all this kind of information will be blinded > into oblivion. Donations won't be tallied individually, and news of their > arrival will be disguised, possibly by limiting the size that is credited to > the candidate per day and thus in effect splitting up a donation to make it > "arrive" over a period of a week or two. Only overall totals will be > reported, possibly rounded to only two significant figures, and even then > possibly only on a weekly basis. Politicians need money to pay bills. If you are cutting off all prediction of money appearing (which is impossible unless you get rid of all special interests) no campaign can ever have the ability to plan. This is a major part of all campaigns. Resistance to this will be high (not that this wasnt expected.) > >> The candidate still gets the money, of course, and the contributor is still > >> free to both donate and speak...separately. The thing that's been cut off > >> is the association between the money and the speech...which is exactly what > >> the problem is, isn't it? > > > >See above for why the connection is not. > > Try again. Rather than trying to prove that a system won't work, why not > help develop one that will? Why don't you run for office. I did. Reality, after all, is far better than theory. > But "vote delivery" can't be proven, or even demonstrated with a strong > degree of assurance. Every candidate ever endorsed by the Firefighters Union in my town have been absolutely elected. Looking at the firefighters voting records and matching with their addresses shows a distinct pattern of voting in almost every election. They have sufficient numbers to win every time. > What I consider wrong is that government affects way too large a fraction of > our lives, without apparent Constitutional justification. If the government > at all levels were only, say, 1/10th of its current size, there would be > much less motivation for corruption. Power currupts. Not size of governement. I agree we need to shrink our gov't a whole lot. I believe whole heartedly in the Constitution. I advocate the entire Bill of Rights. I also support meaningful campaign finance reform. But ya know what? I lost. Change doesn't depend on changing finance laws. Much as in nature, these people will always find a way around it. It depends on helping people empower themselves. Making them know their vote DOES count. People who want real reform should fight actively for it. > Jim Bell > jimbell(a)pacifier.com Matt ++++==============---------------------------- Matthew J. Miszewski |The information revolution has changed wealth: |intellectual capital is now far more important mjmiski(a)execpc.com |than money. -Walter Wriston ----------------------------==============++++

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[NEWS]
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

American Banker, 10/24/96 Gonzalez pushing consumer safeguards for electronic banking Rep. Henry B. Gonzalez called Wednesday for aggressive congressional action to protect consumers in the emerging world of electronic banking. Releasing a blueprint for legislative action, the Texas Democrat urged Congress to: *Adopt public policy standards relating to privacy, disclosure, access, equity, and financial reliability for electronic banking products and services. *Hold oversight hearings to assess how well the industry is serving the consumer in these five areas. *Enact laws if the industry's performance falls below minimum congressional standards. *Define financial transactions to include the exchange of financial information as well as cash. *Consider revising current consumer protection laws. "Many of the federal consumer protection laws are nearly 30 years old, and they were not designed to deal with the effects of these new technologies," said Rep. Gonzalez, the House Banking Committee's ranking minority member. The report, "Connecting Consumers: Consumer Issues and Emerging Financial Technology," recommends subjecting banks and nonbanks to the same laws and regulations in this area. Republican committee members and banking regulators have been reluctant to issue rules that might hinder the development of new electronic banking products. [I.e., more regulation of electronic commernce. -DV] --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: Stopping the buying of candidates
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:32 AM 10/24/96 +0000, Matthew J. Miszewski wrote: >> While I have worked through essentially none of the details, if the system >> can be implemented well enough, all this kind of information will be blinded >> into oblivion. Donations won't be tallied individually, and news of their >> arrival will be disguised, possibly by limiting the size that is credited to >> the candidate per day and thus in effect splitting up a donation to make it >> "arrive" over a period of a week or two. Only overall totals will be >> reported, possibly rounded to only two significant figures, and even then >> possibly only on a weekly basis. > >Politicians need money to pay bills. If you are cutting off all >prediction of money appearing (which is impossible unless you get rid >of all special interests) no campaign can ever have the ability to >plan. No, I didn't say I was "cutting off all prediction of money appearing." But it would be a long shot from having particular donor's names associated with particular dollar figures. And, the system would simply have to adjust. Campaigns would have to adjust their spending to match the current realities, and donors would have to recognize that they're going to have to donate a bit earlier to accomodate the delay. >This is a major part of all campaigns. Resistance to this >will be high (not that this wasnt expected.) > >> >> The candidate still gets the money, of course, and the contributor is still >> >> free to both donate and speak...separately. The thing that's been cut off >> >> is the association between the money and the speech...which is exactly what >> >> the problem is, isn't it? >> > >> >See above for why the connection is not. >> >> Try again. Rather than trying to prove that a system won't work, why not >> help develop one that will? > >Why don't you run for office. I did. Reality, after all, is far >better than theory. I'd prefer doing something far more...uh...permanent than to merely REPLACE officeholders. >> But "vote delivery" can't be proven, or even demonstrated with a strong >> degree of assurance. > >Every candidate ever endorsed by the Firefighters Union in my town >have been absolutely elected. Looking at the firefighters voting >records and matching with their addresses shows a distinct pattern of >voting in almost every election. "Firefighter's voting records"? I _thought_ we had a secret ballot in this country. Maybe you're from some town that I don't know about! Besides, what you're saying can be considered a bit of self-fulfilling prophecy. Some cities ALWAYS vote one way, or another. Over time, public employees simply adjust their politics to match their wallets, etc. Remember, these are PUBLIC employees after all, which really just means the employeees of the thugs who get into office. It does not serve their interests to go against the winning candidate. If, one year, the party normally out of office appears to be winning, the Firefighters will simply adjust their politics accordingly. Simple. > They have sufficient numbers to win every time. Whichever candidate wins, "has sufficient numbers to win." Tell me something else I don't know. >> What I consider wrong is that government affects way too large a fraction of >> our lives, without apparent Constitutional justification. If the government >> at all levels were only, say, 1/10th of its current size, there would be >> much less motivation for corruption. > >Power currupts. Not size of governement. Size of government is evidence of the size of the corruption. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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to whoever runs the "best of security list"
by Matt Blaze 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've noticed that frequently when I send a message to cypherpunks, someone forwards the message to some list called, I think, "best-of-security". I have no idea who runs this list or who is forwarding my messages to it, but the list appears to be badly misconfigured. Every time one of my messages gets forwarded, I get literally two or three dozen bounce messages from undeliverable recipients on that list. My guess is that the best- of-security list software incorrectly identifies the original message author, instead of the list owner, as the originator of messages, and so errors are sent to the wrong place. So to whoever is running the best-of-security list: please either fix your list software or stop forwarding my messages to it. Thanks -matt

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"So Says I", 10/24 ISIG Meeting
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 13:58:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: mcooley(a)tiac.net Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> From: mcooley(a)nethorizons.com (Marianne Cooley) Subject: "So Says I", 10/24 ISIG Meeting fyi >Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:45:27 -0400 (EDT) >X-Sender: mcooley(a)tiac.net >To: isig(a)bcs.org >From: mcooley(a)nethorizons.com (Marianne Cooley) >Subject: "So Says I", 10/24 ISIG Meeting >Sender: owner-isig(a)bcs.org >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: isig(a)bcs.org > >Join us for a great evening at MIT, Building 6, Room 120 for the latest ISIG >meeting. Here's the scoop on the main presentation which starts at 7 pm: > >"So Says I**": Financial cryptography, microintemediation and the power of >reputation in a ubiquitous geodesic economy. < Actually, "I" is "Joe Nebuchannezar" ;-), RAH> >(That really means there's a whole lotta' shakin' goin' on in the area of >electronic money!) > > >** "I" is Bob Hettinga, the founder of the Digital Commerce Society of >Boston, and resident man with opinions on most aspects of e$$ > > >Obviously, the net is going to give us the ability for anyone, anywhere, to >buy anything. No matter where the buyer or seller is, or, for that matter, >where the thing being sold is. > >However, financial cryptography, the technology which underlies digital >commerce, will have much more profound implications than merely the >simplification of sales and distribution. It permits us to make anonymous >*cash* transactions for everything from a billion-dollar foriegn exchange >trade to possibly even switching internet packets themselves. > >If this promise is kept, it could change the fundamentals of our entire >society. It forces profit and loss responsibility further and further down >into organizations until they break up into smaller competing operating >units. It makes book-entry transactions like checks or credit cards >obsolete, and replaces them with strange stuff like digital cash and >personal digital bearer bonds. It creates cash-settled auction markets for >practically anything. People joke about routers and switches which save up >enough from their traffic-tolls to buy copies of themselves. About >micromoney as processor food. > >On a macroeconomic scale, all of government's revenue sources are >book-entry taxes, like those on sales, income, and capital gains. "What >happens when taxes become a tip?", some people have asked. That is, if >government can't trace transactions anymore, because of the very way those >transactions executed, how will government be funded? > >Disintermediation is a common buzzword in the financial markets. It is >usually meant to describe what mutual fund companies have done to banks. >What happens when mutual funds become microintermediated? > >In this talk, we'll look at all of this, and what the world might look like >if Moore's Law and strong cryptography do manage to create a geodesic >economy. > >>From 6:30-7pm, we had expected to have a demonstration of Black Diamond's >web video software, but we haven't quite solved the technical details...(it >is active X, and we can't get that on a UNIX machine yet ;) ) I am still >expecting that one of their representatives will be joining us. We will >also have the usual Q&A during that time. > >If you don't know where Building 6 Room 120 is, the simplest way to describe >it follows: > >Go to the main entrance of MIT on Mass Ave and walk up the steps into the >domed building. Go straight ahead into the long hall ("the infinite >corridor".) Keep walking until you reach the sign that says Building 6,to >the right. Turn down the hall to the right until you reach room 120 on your >right. > > >Looking forward to seeing you all! > >Cheers, >Marianne >********************************************************************* > > Marianne Cooley Internet Special Interest Group > NetHorizons Unlimited Coming Soon! A *new* Boston Group > mcooley(a)nethorizons.com > 617.433.0825 > >Join "Life at Internet Speed" on www.boston.com Wednesdays from 1-2pm! >For a chat topic reminder, send an email to chat-reminder(a)nethorizons.com > with your full name and email address in the body of the message. >********************************************************************** > > > > ********************************************************************* Marianne Cooley Internet Special Interest Group NetHorizons Unlimited Coming Soon! A *new* Boston Group mcooley(a)nethorizons.com 617.433.0825 Join "Life at Internet Speed" on www.boston.com Wednesdays from 1-2pm! For a chat topic reminder, send an email to chat-reminder(a)nethorizons.com with your full name and email address in the body of the message. ********************************************************************** --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "The cost of anything is the foregone alternative" -- Walter Johnson The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/

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Rollerblade Inc. Message
by WEB Tech #5 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Today I responded to a rant per request of a cypherpunks(a)toad.com member. I now have been informed that the above news group is not a general use news group. I apologize for any extraneous, non-cryptographic related material that would have been forwarded to all of you earlier today. To illustrate my point, this situation would be similar to someone calling and leaving a message to return the call but deliberately listing the incorrect phone number. I have received numerous replies from many of you and have responded to as many as possible explaining the situation as best I can. Being a webtech for a high e-mail volume company like Rollerblade, topics in cryptography are becoming very important to me. You can bet that I will be visiting your Cypherpunks sites frequently to keep up with the latest trends in cryptographic technologies. Please excuse my oversight of sending an e-mail reply to an unknown news group, this situation has definitely opened my eyes to another important NETicate rule. Thanks for your understanding. Skate the World!!! Webtech5 Rollerblade Consumer Service

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Yet-another Czar
by Jim Ray 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Netescrow & Remailers?
by Hal Finney 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Up until now, when remailers have gone down it has not been in a circumstance in which escrow would help much. Generally they are taken down voluntarily or at the request of someone in authority (the owner of the computer they are running on, in many cases!). In these situations there would not be a problem in transferring the key to someone else. There have been a couple of times, particularly early in a given remailer's life, where people have clumsily deleted their remailer's key and had to create a new one. In such a circumstance a secure backup capability would be useful. But you don't really need the kinds of recovery that Matt's idea provides. Conceivably a remailer operator could be dragged off in chains, but it doesn't seem like a very probable scenario. Even then more traditional secret sharing based distributed backups would seem like a better fit than "net escrow". The main distinguishing feature of the latter is that society as a whole can choose to release a key without the owner's approval, but not any lesser group. Hal

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