December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Elliptic curves
by nobody＠zifi.genetics.utah.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The arrival of warm weather is heralded by the pig shit (or whatever kind of shit Intel swines have for brains) getting soft in Timothy C[unt] May's mini-cranium and the resulting green slime seeping through key cocaine- and syphilis- damaged nose and onto his keyboard. ^ ^ (o o) Timothy C[unt] May ( ) \___/ !_!

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Apology
by jc105558＠spruce.hsu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

- James - wrote: >I am writing this ... >Tim May, do >you have anything on subjest to discuss? I apologies publicly for this comment. I'm sorry Tim. My bad. - James -

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Re: PGP in Russia
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:29 AM 12/6/96 -0800, Declan McCullagh wrote: >A slight correction -- taking PGP out of the US is not illegal, as long >as you take adequate measures under the presonal use exception to prevent >your laptop from being stolen by foreign nationals and keep records of >your trip for five years. At least that's what y my friend from the State >Dept told me when we had dinner a few weeks ago. Don't the ITARs say it's illegal to "disclose" that material to a foreign person? If that's the case, then presumably a person could take the material out of the country without "disclosing it," or he could "disclose" it to that foreign person inside the US. True, the government seems to have already taken the position that there is a personal-use exemption, but so far we haven't heard any action with regards to in-country disclosure to a foreigner. I'm not trying to give them any nasty ideas, but a domestic sting with this as its nexus seems possible. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Coderpunks
by mixmaster＠remail.obscura.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim C[retin] May's IQ is lower than the belly of a pregnant snake. His ignorance and stupidity are bottomless. o o /< >\ Tim C[retin] May \\\_______/// // ||||||| \\

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States' crypto legislation
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

hi I wonder whether various states in the US have laws restricting use of cryptography. In particular, does anyone know of such laws in Oklahoma? thank you - Igor.

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Re: The Science Generations
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:12 AM 12/6/96 -0800, Dale Thorn wrote: >I would guess that those who became and remained successful technically >(as opposed to becoming "business people") were using HP computers and >such in the 1970s. I for one was a heavy user then, and PETs, Apples, >Radio Shack, etc. computers weren't reliable enough for serious work. I guess those people using VisiCalc on the Apple ][ weren't doing serious work :-). (Also the many small businesses using these early machines for AR, Accounting etc.) Me, I was doing OS programming on IBM 370s. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | The lottery is a tax on | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | those who can't do math. | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | - Who 1st said this? | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Gilmore / Logos
by Butler, Scott 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sorry for the spam, but does anyone know if it is true that John Gilmore and this Logos character are the same person ? Before you dismiss the idea, just think about it for a minute. Cheers Scott ;-D

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Re: denial of service and government rights
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 04:02 PM 12/6/96 -0700, John Kozubik wrote: >you were speaking of human rights, and the issue of Bush being Knighted >... just out of curiousity, why is it against the constitution for Bush >to be Knighted?? > >Thanks > Article 1 Section 9 of the Constitution of the United States: No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

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Re: Silence is not assent (re the Vulis nonsense)
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Blanc Weber wrote: NOTE: original posting undeliverable due to spelling: cyhpherpunks > From: Dale Thorn > If you could analogize the list to a human society, then you might > understand that a pattern of decadence can set in here as it does in > the more visible society, as is run from Washington DC, etc. It is > my hope to make a contribution here (as in the more visible society) > to fight off some of that decadence, even when I get beat up on for it. > There is a huge the difference between a society of people relating to > each other based on principles of coercion vs an extemporaneous society > of individuals who make their own decisions (daily) about when/where/how > long they will associate with another. > The society run by Washington,D.C. expects that people will have no > choice but to fly in formation in the direction set by the leader who > represents the majority (sort of). That's a judgement, rather than an obvious truth. Fact is, service in Washington is purely voluntary, and one can leave anytime they wish. > The virtual "society" of the cpunks is only based on their interest in > opening up their mail and reading a few messages here & there according > to their mood of the day or the moment. Sounds pretty casual, doesn't it? Maybe there are a *few* c-punks who fit that description, but there are at least as many who are in this thing for some heavy action, if you know what I mean, and I think you do. > It is true that formal societies, like the one which was initially > intended by The Founders (of the US), often run afoul of the original > purpose for which it was begun. They decay for many reasons. This is > precisely one of the elements in the background of the cpunks thinking > ("the founders" and others) about societies and the "ties that bind" > (supposedly) us to each other: the interest in being released from that > supposition that we are bound to each other and are obligated to > maintain a relationship of some kind (as determined by the PC moral > 'authorities'). [snip] When I "joined" the Audio Engineering Society in the late 1970's, to get their journal cheap, it was going pretty good. Eventually it decayed quite a bit, where they were running more pictures of their get-togethers and awards programs than anything else. I see cypherpunks in the same straits potentially, as long as so many of the long-term "members" can continue claiming that "It belongs to one person, really, our Cypherpunks God", etc. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of potential here, and I hope it continues, but.... BTW, thanks for a very civil reply.

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Re: Systems with weak crypto, was: The House Rules At The Permanent VirtualCypherpunks Party
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:46 AM 12/6/96 -0500, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: >If an entrepreneur wants to sell a new electrical gizmo and wants an >independent review of its safety, he pays $$$ for it. Apparently one of the >functions of the new brand of "cypher punks" is to provide a similar service >for free. Sorry, I'm not a part of it, and I'm not *that* interested in Don's >proposal. I have better use for my time. However, I assume that you have no objection to others reviewing Don't proposal for free (Actually for reputation). > >I also don't think that the ease of breaking the code should be the only >consideration in evaluating a low-end cryptographic product. ... > >... If someone wants to market (and support) a crypto package for >the masses and gets the masses to deploy it, I take my hat off to them. It >doesn't matter if the code itself can be cracked as easily as the codes used >in PKZIP or MS Excel or MS Word (reportedly). If the users discover that the >code isn't strong enough for their needs, they'll upgrade to stronger codes. >The path from weak crypto to strong crypto is much shorter than the path from >no crypto to some crypto. > >If the user interface and [did you mean "is" - bf] logical and transparent >and provides hooks to >replace the weak (non-export-controlled) crypto being shipped with a stronger >one (say, by FTPing a DLL) then it's a Good Thing. Good interfaces are definitely something needed for the widespread adoption of crypto, either strong or weak. However, the general opinion I have heard is that UIs with easily replaced crypto are covered by ITAR. >Don is doing a Good Thing and the "cypher punks" are doing an evil thing. If Don is contributing to better interfaces, then I agree he is doing a good thing. If all he is doing is proposing a new algorithm and describing it with, to be charitable, non-standard uses of well defined terms, then I disagree. I strongly disagree that cypherpunks are doing an evil thing by exposing the weaknesses in anyone's (including Don's) crypto system. There are many ways to contribute, and publicizing the facts about a system are one of them. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | The lottery is a tax on | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | those who can't do math. | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | - Who 1st said this? | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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