December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

[SPAM] Timmy May's tentacle thinks I'm Timmy May's tentacle?
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timmy May lies, rants, posts off-topic, and pollutes the cypherpunks mailing list with his kinky sexual phantasies. Why is this cocksucking limey faggot dying from the combination of AIDS and the mad cow disease accusing me of being Timmy's tentacle? How could Timmy create a tentacle that knows something about crypto when Timmy doesn't? >Comments: Authenticated sender is <paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> >From: paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk >To: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> >Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 17:40:49 +0000 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >Subject: Re: [AP] Afghanistan >Priority: normal >X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) >Message-Id: <844193561.12763.0(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> > > >> > And this would accomplish???? And this has what to do with cryptography?? >> >> Nothing, of course - neither do Timmy May's stupid rants, lies, and personal >> attacks. >> >> By the way, your abuse of your native language suggests that you're probably >> a product of U.S. public education. > >Then it would appear that you are ranting here, your post is off >topic, you are lying, and in addition you have posted a personal >attack.. Haha! - I`ve found Tim`s secret pseudonym!!!! > > > > Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security > Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk > Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org > Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ > Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 > "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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Re: Weaknesses in Smart Cards? (Re: FLA_wed)
by norm＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:04 PM 10/1/96, Lucky Green wrote: >There is no way to know for sure, since Mondex won't release the specs, >but just about everybody I talk with that knows at least something about >their system agrees that if you crack a Mondex card, you will likely be >able to mint money. Since Mondex allows transfers from card to card to >card, it may be a long time indeed before the breech is disovered. If I >were a Mondex issuer, I would be worried. Very worried. > >--Lucky I can imagine a protocol that would allow the Mondex card to issue several brands of card that would normally appear to be one uniform brand until fraud was suspected or proven. Then only money passed thru the compromised brand would be suspect. News of the counterfeit brand would be spread among cards by a contagion algorithm. One morning your card would greet you saying that $38 of your cash is counterfeit, or worse, that your card could issue no money to other cards, but could be returned to the issuer for a partial refund. I would not want to hide my Mondex card under the matress for my old age. I recall hearing something about Mondex that suggested to me that the card rembered recent large receits and that money had fingerprints so as to remember, to a degree, where it had been recently. When questioned about the privacy issues they responded that of course only the authorities would be able to retrieve such information.

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Public Apology (this list is a joke)
by Dave Temple 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just wanted to apologize to the list for "whining like a 4 year old". I was upset that I was not "adult" enough to save the welcome message I received when I joined the list. I thought that if I acted like a jerk someone would get upset and either kick me off the list or at least give me instructions to do so myself. I was right. I joined this list knowing next to nothing about cryptography. I have learned quite a bit from those who have actually posted worthwhile mail and would like to thank them. I realize that a public list is very hard to maintain, we have just begun offering listservs to our faculty and we are already having problems. So thanks to those of you who have sent me messages on how to unsubscribe. Once again, I am sorry for the whining.

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Re: ITAR satellite provision
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:31 PM 10/1/96 -0700, Steve Schear wrote: >Does anyone on the list have the exact ITAR reg. text relating to the >exemption for space-launched crypto? I think you're talking about the definition of "export", located at 22 CFR 120.10: "Export means, for purposes of this subchapter: (a) Sending or taking defense articles out of the United States in any manner; or (b) Transferring registration or control to a foreign person of any aircraft, vessel, or satellite on the United States Munitions List, whether in the United States or abroad; or (c) Sending or taking technical data outside of the United States in any manner except by mere travel outside of the United States by a person whose personal knowledge includes technical data; or (d) Disclosing or transferring technical data to a foreign person, whether in the United States or abroad; or (e) The performance of a defense service on behalf of, or for the benefit of, a foreign person, whether in the United States or abroad. * A launch vehicle or payload shall not, by reason of the launching * of such vehicle, be considered an export for purposes of this * subchapter. Most of the requirements of this subchapter relate only to exports, as defined above. However, for certain limited purposes, the controls of this subchapter apply to sales and other transfers of defense articles and defense services (see, e.g., Sec. 126.1) of this subchapter." -- Greg Broiles | "We pretend to be their friends, gbroiles(a)netbox.com | but they fuck with our heads." http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | |

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RE: LivePGP (fwd)
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In response to my point that refusing to release the source code of his software will have the effect of discouraging its use by anyone with a clue, On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, Ming-Ching Tiew wrote: > > While most certainly you are entitled to express whatsoever > idea of yours and certainly the same applies to me. > This goes without saying. > I am most certainly not a crypto implementor, the entire > cryptographic part of LivePGP relies on PGP. It is taken > without a single line of change from the compiled executable, > which source is available in full. So, the peer review and > stuff are fully applicable. Incorrect. You have incorporated PGP in a new piece of software. How are we to know you took the code line for line unless we are able to verify this claim? Obviously, we cannot. Your software is, therefore, untrustworthy. This is not a matter simply of my opinion. This is basic doctrine in the development of crypto software. Ask anyone who knows what they are talking about. Joe Average may be interested in your product, but no expert, or even fairly knowledgeable individual, will ever take it seriously while the source code remains private. > I am also most certain that you will have a response to this > view of mine. For whatever it is, I forsee that we will remain > holding on to our own views. So, we should not carried on > with this "discussion", for it will not be a productive work. Your attitude distresses me and your ignorance of the importance of peer review gives me pause when considering your potential skill as a crypto programmer. > Anyway thank you for a brief moment of interest in LivePGP > which you have demonstrated. I really appreciate that. Many of us would appreciate it if your, seemingly very useful software, was also trustworthy enough to be used. > Regards, > Ming-Ching > > ---------- -- I hate lightning - finger for public key - Vote Monarchist unicorn(a)schloss.li

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Civil rights and double jeopardy
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:51 PM 10/1/96 -0700, Dale Thorn wrote: >Once they could no longer look the other way, those higher-level >authorities should have proceeded against the local governments as I >specified, rather than undermining the Constitutional enumerations. The protection against double jeopardy is constitutionally based and cannot be modified by statute, e.g., the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The various civil rights acts, movements, and statutes did not make Congress nor the executive adopt a loophole around the double jeopardy protections; the loophole existed considerably prior to then. The double jeopardy clause is interpreted (and has been since at least 1922) so that it only bars multiple prosecutions (or punishments) by the same sovereign. In _US v. Lanza_ 260 U.S. 377 (1922), the Supreme Court wrote: ". . an act denounced by both national and state sovereignties is an offense against the peace and dignity of both and may be prosecuted and punished by each." Where an act violates both federal and state law, both the federal and state governments think they get an opportunity to prosecute. Thus, racial violence or murder which violates state assault or homicide laws gets a state prosecution; and where it also violates federal civil rights laws (18 USC 241 or 242) it is also prosecutable federally. Ditto for many drug crimes. An act which does not violate federal law (say, jaywalking) cannot be prosecuted federally; this limits the situations where multiple sovereigns can lead to multiple prosecutions. (but with Congress expanding federal criminal law ...) (There's an exception to the dual sovereignty exception to the double jeopardy clause, the "Bartkus exception", where the second prosecution is a sham or a fake undertaken to serve the interests of the first sovereign; but it's very hard to win a _Bartkus_ argument. Stacy Koon (one of the cops convicted for the beating of Rodney King) tried to argue Bartkus and lost.) Sorry for wandering off into legalpunks land but it's simply not the case that the civil rights movement caused the erosion of the double jeopardy clause, or that there's a magic "civil rights exception". Dual-sovereign double jeopardy is alive & well in drug prosecutions today. Civil rights just gets all of the press. -- Greg Broiles | "We pretend to be their friends, gbroiles(a)netbox.com | but they fuck with our heads." http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | |

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Re: active practice in America [RANT]
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mark M. wrote: > On Mon, 30 Sep 1996, Dale Thorn wrote: > > Re: Below text. One of the most fascinating aspects of the Simpson > > case (to me, anyway) is how persons who know about conspiracies, > > mafia hits, etc., are still willing to believe OJ is guilty (fer > > sure), looking only at the "evidence" presented by the same folks > > who (send for list). > Information about the evidence, crime and trial are not classified for > the reason of "national security" in this case. True, but what's reported is a joke, just like other media scams. > There's a motive and there is nothing outlandishly unbelievable about > the possibility that Simpson did do it. I didn't say no possibility, just very little probability. And what motive did this wealthy man have to savagely (inhumanly, yet) murder those two people? There are people who have plausible motives, though. > OJ never was in the military and there is nothing that even remotely > suggests that he had anything to do with the CIA. CIA, remotely? I guess Colby, Jr. living next to Nicole is outside the boundary of remote? I guess A.C.'s boss Ippolito, *close* friend of George Aronow, *close* friend of George Bush, etc. is also out of bounds? Ever hear of international coke rings? OJ was up to his neck in Mob, and looks like Denise Brown likewise. Too remote for you? > The Simpson case and the JFK assassination are not even remotely > comparable. Lessee, an apple and a banana are "not even remotely comparable", due to so many differences, etc. But, I can eat both of them, and get nutrition from both, so, they *do* have quite a bit in common. The Warren Commission, and all "official" treatments of the JFK assassination were not based on the real evidence, nor was the OJ trial. If you're one of those people who saw Ruby do it, and you said "gee, musta been just another wacko", then you could look at the OJ trial the same way and say "gee, just another crazy black man", etc.

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Re: White House crypto proposal -- too little, too late
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:50 PM 10/1/96 -0700, John Anonymous MacDonald wrote: >> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:56:21 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> >> >> "What?" I asked. "Unless you're talking about import restrictions." >> >> "Exactly," he said. >> >> -Declan > >I don't doubt that they can do this if they really want to, but I >wonder what legal basis they will use for import restrictions. > >Are there any current import restrictions for products on can legally >manufacture, sell, and use in the United States? "Sugar" Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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unsubsribe
by GOULDING CP 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

unsubsribe

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Re: This list is a joke
by Dave Temple 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Actually, I am not adult enough to save the welcome message I received when I joined the list. Thanks to the many people who have since sent me the instructions. I am sorry I had to whine to get them. > > I guess you are not adult enough to take yourself off the list. > > > andrew >

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