December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: ASEAN nations generally pro-censorship
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> _________________________________________________________________ > ASEAN FORUM AGREES ON NEED TO POLICE THE NET > __________________________________________________________________________ >[...] > But the statement suggested there was no agreement on a uniform > approach to policing the Internet. One could argue that the hundred years war was in substantial part the result of regulatory arbitrage against attempts to censor the printing press, that it was in large part an unsuccessful attempt to create a uniform standard of censorship by force of arms. History suggests that there *wont* be a uniform approach on policing the net. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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"Intended Purpose" of the Cypherpunks List
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:09 PM 9/8/96, Wayne H. Allen wrote: > Well maybe, political issues galore certainly, but very very little >to do with cryptography. I mean what does TWA 800 have to do with this >list. I mean lets be completely honest here, whatever the original >purpose of the list was for its been allowed to shift away from its >intended purpose considerably. I'm curious. You say the list has "been allowed to shift away from its intended purpose considerably." First, who "allowed" it. (We should perhaps track down those who allowed this and rap them upside the head.) Second, and more importantly, just what was its "intended purpose"? While I delete immediately fantasies about how the Bilderbergers ordered TWA 800 shot down with Russian Strelas as a warning for Bill Clinton, the other discussions related to TWA 800, e.g., mandatory person-number I.D. to board planes, increased inspections, national data bases of "suspicious persons," etc., are very much on-topic for this list. But, then, what would I know? --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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RE: Court challenge to AOL junk-mail blocks
by Will rodger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Declan, in reply to questions about Cyber Promo's statue re: AOL wisely wrote: >>No. A customer buys service from AOL and in doing so signs a contract >>with the company. AOL and the customer each has certain rights and >>obligations spelled out in the contract. >> >>I confess I don't know if AOL's contract allows them to block spam. But >>in any case, spammers are not customers. >> >>-Declan >> Cyber Promotions of course is not now a client of AOL, which is one the company's defenses against AOL. Although AOL attorneys don't make the connection outright, their filings seem to imply that once one is an AOL customer, he's always subject to their rules. Wallace, it seems, had an account or two with AOL and was spamming during that time in violation of terms of service. They soon bumped him from the service. Now that he's not a subscriber, they claim Wallace is still violating terms of service. How that's relevant to a former subscriber is far from clear. Wallace's attorneys, of course say it isn't relevant at all. No doubt about it; this one is going to be a lot of fun. Will Rodger Washington Bureau Chief Inter@ctive Week -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.9 iQEVAgUBMjN30UcByjT5n+LZAQEO0QgAhKgbD1ljZfDoZR/J9PF9wQFgZxoSM8DZ SfhfPMNDnBDqx1dq2qjxbxKC0uqP5AQq76ZPr+MVexvdI9ec+8W9DFW/O8ujOsJT yU/vg0XnWC3kNeQVW9OpTjlNZrlm37TRM5Fl/JeBxrFlws1aS1fG57Xnq2YYEJJ2 hrn20q9szJiRLnFJ0hSfjhsYkLir7qErhqMMOu0kw1HAqfA7kAzmoxD4ukaeqqL9 Hkqqf2E59xtOSvmMRtqgtGhUijiMeuO1K/wCITp0SS6U4XieeHrV5jpfY3RU6c2s g7OBHkMq6fjzWO29WJO67imOeb45bsZMM3vvqKlH5lxXHR+g1DjUnw== =Iatg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: flimflamery on anonymity
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

james donald: > > Lucky Green and Dark Unicorn are not accountable. This is a problem? > > Because it is a problem "We" need to do something about it, (last line is sarcasm for the sarcasm impaired) At 11:39 AM 9/4/96 -0700, Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote: > scientists demand that each other be "accountable" for their > work, for example, and pseudonymous publication simply would > not be acceptable. So? Do you think cypherpunks are planning to go around with guns and force scientists to pay attention to pseudonymous scientific publications? > what about a business > that simply says, "we choose to require identity among our > customers, and you can go elsewhere if you disagree". the > extremist cypherpunks would be in a quandary over this example, > because they think they can support anarchocapitalist > freedom and anonymity at the same time. they will argue that > such a business will one day not exist. but shouldn't a business be > free to make this decision? rabid cpunks would probably > argue against such a decision. Cypherpunks would argue, do in fact argue, that such a business decision will be unwise in the long run for most businesses, but that all businesses, like anyone else, have the right to make stupid decisions. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: talker (fwd)
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sun, 8 Sep 1996 16:41:06 -0500 (CDT), Jim Choate wrote: >> Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 13:23:06 -0700 (PDT) >> From: "Z.B." <zachb(a)netcom.com> >> Subject: Re: talker >> >> I just checked www.juno.com to see what kind of system they have, and it >> appears that it is a free email service. No charges at all. No wonder >> we get so many idiots from there - free mail and they probably don't >> bother to verify the people they give service to, either. > >Well we know at least one cpunk who is anti-anonymity.... Not necessarily. I think he's just saying that if it's free and anonymous you have no quality control. Even a token fee keeps out an amazing number of loons... - "'Anonymity is bad,' says a source who wishes to remain anonymous." - Nuff' said. * Home: Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp * Autoresponder: send email w/subject of "send resume" or "send PGPKEY" * Work: cadams(a)acucobol.com | V.M. (619)515-4894 | (619)689-6579 * Member in good standing of the GNU whirled hors d'oeuvre

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Re: Voluntary Disclosure of True Names
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:49 AM 9/5/96 -0700, Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote: > I have seen it repeated here often that somehow anonymity is some kind > of a "right" that one should have in all kinds of different & important > transactions, not merely on "cyberspace debate societies". I see > here frequently the implication that *private*entities* that want to > enforce identity in their own transactions are somehow implementing > a corrupt, orwellian system. We hold that private entities have the right to attempt to impose corrupt orwellian systems provided they do not do it at gunpoint, but we doubt that they will succeed without guns. > it sounded to me like that was all > Dyson was advocating. "Restrictions much stronger than a warrant" would imply that remailers would have to keep logs under penalty of law. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: Browne and foreign tyrants
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> jim bell <jimbell(a)pacifier.com> wrote: > >And this was a real shame. Over 30 million people died in WWII, directly or >indirectly. We knew that Hitler was going to be a problem well before 1936. > Think how many could have been saved... > >If anything, WWII is excellent proof that AP is a good idea. Stauffenberg >was the German who bombed Hitler's meeting in 1944 but failed to kill him. >Stauffenberg knew as early as 1942 that Hitler needed to be killed, and a >recent "60 Minutes" episode related how hundreds of people knew about this >plot. In the late 30's Bugsy Seigel was in Europe visiting a friend (a countess, I believe). At one of her parties Hitler and a few henchmen also showed up. When Buggsy found out who they were he went to get his gun and finish them off. It was only on the pleading of his friend, that it would set off an international incident and could ruin her, that Buggsy relented. Too bad he wasn't more of a hot head. PGP Fingerprint: FE 90 1A 95 9D EA 8D 61 81 2E CC A9 A4 4A FB A9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Snoop Daty Data | Internet: azur(a)netcom.com Grinder | Voice: 1-702-655-2877 Sacred Cow Meat Co. | Fax: 1-702-658-2673 7075 W. Gowan Road, #2148 | Las Vegas, NV 89129 | --------------------------------------------------------------------- Just say NO to perscription DRUGS.

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Re: Conservation Laws, Money, Engines, and Ontology
by Greg Kucharo 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

One thing that occurs here. I imagine a scenario where you have a "share" of resources on a system(and ISP for example). You're metered as to how much you can post or store. Actually as it is now posting is regulated through extra payments per meg above the limit. Spam is being somewhat regulated by Terms of Service type things, but my point is what is to prevent pooling resources among several system to achive the same Spam pursuits some have. Say for example that an individual gets several accounts to balance the load at thier point. The Usenet for example has no "choke point". How could ISP's apply conservation here? If you limit the amount of traffic you still aren't holding back the flow of "spam". Here's where reputations could come in. You cound't open a new account anywhere without a good "reputation". This could aid in balancing the load of certain people. ??????????????????????????????????????? Greg Kucharo sophi(a)best.com "Eppur si moeve" -Galileo ???????????????????????????????????????

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AST Final Agenda
by Dave Banisar 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello, I hope you will be able to join us for our conference in Ottawa next week. Here is the final agenda. Dave PROGRAM ADVANCED SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGIES CONFERENCE II Sponsored by Privacy International Electronic Privacy Information Center September 16, 1996 Citadel Ottawa Hotel and Convention Centre Ottawa, Canada 9:00 am COFFEE AND REGISTRATION 9:30 am WELCOME AND INTRODUCTION: NURTURING THE SURVEILLANCE SOCIETY Advanced surveillance functions have become an integral part of widescale information systems used by governments and businesses. Monitoring of the activities of individuals is seen as a desirable - and often technically essential - componennt in many of these systems. Once regarded as purpose-built stand alone innovations, the modern surveillance device for identification, profiling or tracking has been re-invented as a tool for commercial leverage. In these introductory remarks, Simon Davies and Dave Banisar explores the key technical, political, cultural and legal changes that are nurturing the growth of surveillance technologies across the world. o Simon Davies, London School of Economics & Director General, Privacy International oDave Banisar, Electronic Privacy Information Center & editor, International Privacy Bulletin 10:15 am FEATURED SPEAKER: SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGIES OF THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES What kinds of technologies are the intelligence agencies of the world using? Who are they using it against? Are they legally accountable for their actions? Mike Frost, a former spy for the Canadian Security Establishment will talk about his experiences using these technologies to spy on Canadian citizens and the relationship of the CSE to the US National Security Agency. o Mike Frost, Former Intelligence Officer, Canadian Communications Security Establishment & author, Spyworld 11:00 am BREAK 11:15 am SURVEILLANCE AND THE INTERNET SIGINT ONLINE: GOVERNMENT SIGNALS INTELLIGENCE ON THE NET o Wayne Madsen, Author, Handbook of Personal Data Protection >From Fort Meade, Maryland to Cheltenham, England and from Canberra, Australia to Issy les Moulineaux in Paris, signals intelligence (SIGINT) specialists are honing their skills at monitoring digital information. SIGINT agencies everywhere are increasingly throwing their surveillance web over the Internet and other data networks of interest. This session shall examine the methods by which SIGINT agencies conduct such on-line intelligence-gathering activities, including manipulation of encryption systems to exploiting weaknesses in communications architectures, including the use of anonymous remailers, rigging encryption systems, and tampering with the simple network management protocol (SNMP). You will discover that Mae West is more than just a deceased movie star. Datamining the Net: Cookies, Crawlers and Trackers o Simson Garfinkel, author, Practical Unix and Internet Security and PGP: Pretty Good Privacy. A great deal of information is gathered on individuals on the Internet. >From Alta Vista to cookies to digital cash to Web Crawler, sophicated tools to collect, index and process this information are being developed. Simson Garfinkel will discuss these technologies, what information is being gathered and what is being done with it. 12:30 pm LUNCH (provided) 1:30 pm CONSUMERS AND SURVEILLANCE INTELLIGENT VEHICLES AND TRACKING Phil Agre will outline the remarkable variety of technologies of surveillance currently being planned or implemented for road travel. The motivations for these systems are numerous and include logistics, traffic management, law enforcement, pollution control, and marketing. Despite the diversity of motivations, certain unifying themes emerge. The vast majority of the functionalities provided by these systems can be provided anonymously. o Phil Agre, University of California, San Diego GENETICS AS A SURVEILLANCE IDEOLOGY Researches in the field of genetics are still largely dominated by the works of molecular biologists who tend to comprehend reality through the classical Cartesian-Newtonian paradigm which postulates that it is possible to reduce the universe to a mechanical model in which peticular effects can be described as the direct results of specific causes. Such an approach does not acknowledge the fact that human physical and mental health is the result of very complex interactions. Most illnesses and deviant behaviors are multifactorial (physical and social environments are at least as much important as the genetic factors) and polygenic (numerous genes could be involved). In short, there are large probabilities that an individual carrying many "defective" genes may never develop the corresponding illness. Unfortunately, such fields of activities such as risk management, insurance, law and policy-making also work mostly within the Cartesian-Newtonian paradigm. In such a context, genetics can easily be transformed into an ideological justification for surveillance and social control of populations or individuals "at risk" as well as minimizing social and environmental responsabilities. o Pierrot Peladeau, Progesta Inc. & editor Privacy Files 2:45 pm BREAK 3:00 pm SOLUTIONS: PROTECTING PRIVACY IN SURVEILLANCE SOCIETIES A PRIVACY COMMISSIONER CASE STUDY: INTRODUCTION OF A DNA PROFILE DATABANK TO NEW ZEALAND Bruce Slane, Privacy Commissioner of New Zealand, will outline aspects of a new law which came into force in New Zealand last month. The law sanctions the establishment of a DNA profile database for police use in criminal investigations. The law also spells out how blood samples may be obtained from suspects for DNA analysis - voluntarily, by court order, and ultimately by force if need be. Bruce will explain the role of a Privacy Commissioner in scrutinising laws increasing state surveillance using the DNA law as a case study. o Bruce Slane. New Zealand Privacy Commissioner CAN PRIVACY STANDARDS ACHIEVE EFFECTIVE DATA PROTECTION? Privacy standards are becoming an important feature of the privacy protection landscape. The CSA Model Code for the Protection of Personal Information is likely to followed by other attempts to negotiate standards in other countries and at the international level. What are the market and regulatory incentives for the adoption of privacy standards? Can privacy standards exist alongside data protection legislation? What are the minimum requirements for a registration/accreditation system for a privacy standard? o Colin Bennett, University of Victoria 4:30 pm WRAPUP ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MORE INFORMATION More information on the conference will be available at the Privacy International mailing list at pi-news(a)privacy.org (subject: subscribe) or at the PI Home Page at http://www.privacy.org/pi/conference/ottawa/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- REGISTRATION Registration Fees [] Standard - $250 CAN ($175 US) [] Non-profit organizations/Educational - $125 CAN ($75 US) Information Name: ___________________________________________________________ Organization: ______________________________________________________ Address: _________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________ Phone/Fax: _________________________________________________________ Electronic Mail:_____________________________________________________ Credit card Number/Expiration Date: _________________________________ (Your credit card will be billed by "Diane Publishing" - Do Not Email!) 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It is based in London, UK, and is administered by the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) in Washington, D.C. Privacy International publishes a quarterly newsletter (the International Privacy Bulletin) and organizes conferences each year on privacy and technology. More information is available at http://www.privacy.org/pi/ The Electronic Privacy Information Center is a public interest research center in Washington, DC. It was established in 1994 to focus public attention on emerging privacy issues relating to the National Information Infrastructure, such as the Clipper Chip, the Digital Telephony proposal, medical record privacy, and the sale of consumer data. EPIC is sponsored by the Fund for Constitutional Government, a non-profit organization established in 1974 to protect civil liberties and constitutional rights. EPIC publishes the EPIC Alert, pursues Freedom of Information Act litigation, and conducts policy research. 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Re: Photoshop, Steganograhy, and cypherpunks?
by Remo Pini 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Mon Sep 09 08:17:48 1996 > Digital watermarking > adds copyright information to > a photograph that doesn't alter the photo's > appearance. The watermark is detectable even > after the photo is edited or printed and rescanned. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ go ahead, have a laugh!!! (or show me an affordable scanner with REAL 8bit color and a calibrated color scheme). - ------< fate favors the prepared mind >------ Remo Pini rp(a)rpini.com PGP: http://www.rpini.com/crypto/crypto.html - ----< words are what reality is made of >---- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMjO2kBFhy5sz+bTpAQGbCwf/TCkJvS/8Z3ER3YdR7S2jNw0SrIkDXRT/ GtfvKgmTrk+YMI+5Ko9aL7wu2XgdUF5dzjo1slpNBp8hbrMWUGiNufcI5FDnzrqP z5lCTZefsHounFV8LaQk19iODOAt6EA5Bo7hAMNH4MTsl07dHJ2wudEntmLA4Hpl Xo1U/u/+PrTROK/O4wHEcDVyMsEFhHW7rBdhx5U5Sh58CtI3ijQ9xfW2L9dCQHUF +SVaXTgHYaHnpBpKitkAgEEd2m2jVC7E6S0pPkEBm0k0yXzBNT9zBaD5xtUxI/kI sJWNQCCq4f0VXm1wl27H+FYYUD/VdLc/pniFppmVa+WEDFGGlWXnqw== =ajST -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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