December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

PLEASE Nuke Singapore Back into the Stone Age
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:06 PM 9/1/96, James Seng wrote: >To understand the sitution better, you should not impose America >idealogy and perspection on how things to be done to Singapore. Singapore >maybe young but there are certain culture too. Who says this has anything to do with "American ideology"? The Usenet is propagated around the world. All we are saying is that honest commentary on the corruption of Lee Kwan Yew (and his billion dollars in Australian and European banks) will be reported on the Usenet. This is not "imposing American ideology" on anyone. Singapore, being the dynastic dictatorship that it is, may decide to block access all newsgroups which discuss Yew's tyranny, or pornography, or pro-Malay sentiment, or anything else banned in the Benevolent Republic of Singapore. This will be their choice, to ban access by citizen-units to Evil Thoughts. It is not an issue of "imposing American ideology" on the helpless in Singapore, any more than a book or magazine is "imposing" an ideology. It sounds to me, James, that you need to get out of Singapore and visit a country where free speech and free ability to read material is not treated as "imposed foreign ideologies." (I think you also need to look up what "imposed" means. The "Wired" magazine banned in Singapore is not something that is ever "imposed" on others....anyone is free to simply not read the magazine!) >is Singapore. As an example of what i mean, few years back, when they >introduced R rating movies uncensored in Singapore for people above 18, >it cause a surge in soft-porn movie to be screened. There is a general So? Your point being? After all, nobody is forcing _you_ to go watch these R-rated movies. You are free to not watch if you find them offensive. In a free society this is how things work. I think you'll find this mailing list anathema to your apparent ideology. ... >Singapore culture. Do not impose the general idealogy and culture within >your country into your argument. (Oh yea, dont give me the "Bull shit! ... >Now, what makes you think that citizen of Country A has the power or >rights to tell politicians of Country B what to do and what they cannot do? >Just wondering. Again, you really need to look up the meaning of "impose" more carefully. By posting a comment about how Singapore sucks, or how Lee Kwan Yew raped his country and deposited his profits in Australian and European banks, just what am I "imposing" on Singaporans or anyone else? I think you have little understanding of how the global Internet works. --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: anon.penet.fi: URGENT REQUEST
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:09 PM 9/1/96 +0000, paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk wrote: > I don`t know what the response to this will be, I need approximately > 5000 UK pounds to set up such an operation (Yes, a leased line really > does cost that much in the UK) and then a monthly income of around > 3000 UK pounds. A little greedy. Other people have set up a multitude of remailers for substantially less. We now need remailers, preferably many, many small remailers rather than one big remailer, that is as easy to reply to as alt.penet.fi, but which gives substantially better security, that is to say the reply address can map to a remailer chain, instead of being constrained to map to a regular address as the penet.fi remailer did. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Beta Scam
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.economist.com/issue/31-08-96/wb1.html Beware Geeks bearing gifts The Internet is well known as a pioneer when it comes to technology. Less noticed is its role on the cutting edge of management fashion. Nowadays, it is fashionable for firms to "outsource" product development to just about everybody. Leading Internet firms have developed this method a stage further: they have found an outside supplier so keen to tender his services that he is sometimes willing to pay for the privilege. The name of this fool? The consumer. [More on beta-scamming at the URL.]

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Hacker list information
by agt387465＠blackhel.fbi.gov 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Patrick: I am interested in a copy of your mailing list. Thank you. David Pfeiffer

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re:hackerlist
by patrickbc＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am planning to make a list of hackers and would appreciatte it if you would e-mail me with the following information. handle e-mail city,state url whether or not you would like to recieve the list when finished thanks for your help P. Cummings Patrickbc(a)juno.com

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Re: WARNING vIRuS!
by attila 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

kickboxer is full of shit --or trolling. since when can a jpeg or gif file viewer execute anything --nothing starts automatically, in any operating system. that is expecting a jump call of some sort. we haven't yet fallen into the impending insecure abyss of MS objects. to have a piece of code embedded execute, a "start-up" program would need to be previously passed to the target machine which literally scanned all memory for the startup sequence in the foreign material --and translate it. on unix, the code would need to be sophisticated enough to remove itself from the process table --even in sleep modes. and, in any system, the startup sequence must be readable, and therefore traceable by anti-virus routines. now that kickboxed has baited the hook for trolling, what new wet dream will we have for rebuttals?!? On Sat, 31 Aug 1996, kickboxer wrote: > There is a new and VERY dangerous virus called the HAZ-MAT virus! > it fucks up the sectors on your hd, and really messes up the partition > tables. It does this once a week, picking a random time to do it. 99.9% of > virus scanners and other antivirus programs will not recognize it, for it is > a totally new strain, using a never before seen code.... Be warned! The > HAZ-MAT virus usually resides in JPG, and GIF files... once the files are > viewed, the virus takes effect. > scan all images upon download! > > > -- you can fool all of the people some of the time, you can fool some of the people all the time, but you can not fool all the people all the time. --Lincoln? cc: Paul Penrod <ppenrod(a)earthlink.net>

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Re: hackers texts
by crichardson＠earthlink.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I working on a WWW page for people who want to recieve text articles on hacking/phreaking/etc. It's not very extensive now, but were working on it. Point your browswer to: http://home.earthlink.net/~crichardson/omega.html Also on this page are some files, as well as some other misc indexes. All feedback is apprechiated. -flux

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Re: Esther Dyson on Remailers
by Dave Farber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Just for record, Esther's position is NOT necessarily EFFs. At 01:39 PM 9/1/96 -0400, Duncan Frissell wrote: >At 06:52 AM 9/1/96 -0400, Dave Farber wrote: >>EFF does not, to my knowledge, (and I am a Board Member) have an >>organizational view on this issue. There are a lot of different views and >>each member of EFF has their own view that they can and will state as >>private people. The tendency of the Press to label people with organizations >>affiliation ship gives the impression of organizational views. For example I >>certainly don't speak for the University of Pennsylvania when I say thing to >>the newspapers. >> >>Dave >> > > >At CFP in '95 in SF, Esther expressed the view that there was a place on the >Net for an anonymous ghetto (my words not hers) where people could be >anonymous but that most of the net would involve traceability of >transactions so that people could be held accountable and that businesses >and individuals would want to know who they were dealing with for payment >and accountability reasons. > >I am not stating her position well I'm sure but it was clear that she >thought that non-anonymity would be the rule not because it was mandated but >just because Net actors would want it that way. A short quote would not >allow anyone to understand her full position. > >If she believes that anonymity would be rejected voluntarily for practical >reasons then that is just a prediction of a market not a conclusion. Most >on this list would have no objection to making a prediction though we might >disagree with it. > >Just as Esther predicted that the net would end copyright, we might predict >that the net combined with immediate settlement payment systems might reduce >if not eliminate the need for "positive ID." > >DCF > > >

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DON'T Nuke Singapore Back into the Stone Age
by Arun Mehta 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 17:55 29/08/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >Personally, if this crackdown in Singapore happens, I intend to post >various anti-Singapore and anti-Lee Kwan Yew & Sons screeds to various >newsgroups that Singaporans might like to read. Then, if the Yew Dynasty >decides to pull the plug, it'll be to more and more groups. There are two sides to this: after all, it is the Singaporeans who finally have to sort out this problem with their government, and denying them the Usenet platform for discussion would only hinder that process. Then again, inappropriate postings are the bane of the Internet: the consensus on which the Net functions relies heavily on people not posting inappropriately. Of course, posting anti LKY stuff on a Singapore newsgroup might be perfectly appropriate -- it is the "more and more groups" part I am worried about. I quite frankly disapprove of the mail-bomb suggestions made on the list. Accessing the Internet is hard enough without these additional roadblocks. Mail-bombing one person on a server punishes everybody else on that server too. We need to work with the people in Singapore on this, not make enemies of them. I'm glad that the situation in Singapore is attracting much attention on this list, and that people want to do something about it. China is seriously interested in the experiment, and India will be too: the law here holds the ISPs responsible for ensuring that nothing objectionable and obscene is carried by them, and what simpler way to comply than to simply use the Singapore proxy. Right now, the law isn't being enforced, but soon some headline-seeking politician will point out this out, and the problem will be with us. So, it is important to nip the Singapore experiment in the bud. However, I think that the constructive approach, one which furthers the Net, "routes around", would work better. For instance, I'd love to see some smart venture capitalist fund a project that makes use of surplus, off-peak bandwidth on a transponder on any of the myriad satellites floating over Asia to download Web pages on request. Ideally, I should be able to send via pgp and anonymous remailer a request for a page, which would soon come beamed down unencrypted via satellite. No more waiting hours for the latest version of Netscape to download, and then restarting from scratch every time the line drops. Also, goodbye censorship. Even if the government decided to cut off Internet access completely, I'd still be able to receive what others such as Tim think might be of interest to me. How would this generate revenue? Well, there could be advertising appended to select pages, for instance. In any case, with so much uncertainity about how commerce on the net will work, and in good Internet tradition a la Netscape, it would probably be smarter to start with a free service, and figure out later how to make money from it, once it becomes popular. In a few years, satellite-based Internet access will become widespread and affordable. However, the next few years are really crucial. Governments are still trying to figure out how to deal with the Net, frame legislation, etc. This would be a good time to present them with a fait accompli. Hong Kong will revert to China next year. What better gift to the nervous freedom fighters there, than to help them with their Internet access? Maybe Hong Kong will take over China, instead of the other way around... I remember in Sculley's book "Odyssey: from Pepsi to Apple" he mentions how Steve Jobs finally convinced him to join Apple by asking if he wanted to sell sugared water for the rest of his life, or would he rather change the world. The Internet presents opportunities like that to far more people, and this, IMHO, is one of them: any would-be Sculleys out there? Arun Mehta Phone +91-11-6841172, 6849103 amehta(a)cpsr.org http://www.cerfnet.com/~amehta/ finger amehta(a)cerfnet.com for public key

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FW: get me off of this list!!!!!
by Herbert Feran 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- On Sun, 1 Sep 96 12:41:21 PDT Herbert Feran <porsche(a)themall.net> wrote: I need to be taken off of this list but I can't remeber the code to desubscribe. Can anyone tell me what the code is? ------------------------------------- Name: Herbert Feran E-mail: Herbert Feran <h7869755(a)themall.net> Date: 9/1/96 Time: 12:41:21 PM This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Herbert Feran E-mail: Herbert Feran <h7869755(a)themall.net> Date: 9/1/96 Time: 12:48:19 PM This message was sent by Chameleon -------------------------------------

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