December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Police prepare stunning end for high-speed car chases
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Aug 10, 1996 23:07:44, 'shamrock(a)netcom.com (Lucky Green)' wrote: >At 23:16 8/10/96, Anonymous wrote: >>Why don't they just have government access to car engines? They could >>just require car manufacturers to include remote shutdown devices for >>the engines. > >But they will. Didn't you know that? Why don't we have people's access to government? We could require officials to include remote shutdown devices when they renege on promises, line their pockets, start wars to get re-elected, betray public trust by cruel neglect of their sworn obligations while strutting and bombasting -- damn fools interrupting my X-rated sleazy cheating schemes to fuck my neighbor's dog, or ferret, or mudhole; god, I hate my momma's favorite fuck-up, poor little me, please, world, help me get off Ritalin and wheat germ and my lead-filled ass. Now, off to Sunday school to pray not to burn in hell. On second think, fuck it, com 'ere pooch.

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INFO: Gather and talk to Republican luminaries live online from the convention!
by Voters Telecommunications Watch 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------------------------------------------------------------------------- REPUBLICAN CONVENTION! LIVE! CHECK IT OUT ONLINE! (DO NOT DISTRIBUTE AFTER AUGUST 20, 1996) WHAT: Live feed from the Republican Convention in San Diego over the net Eat, drink, shmooze with Republican luminaries through the Net. WHERE: @Cafe, #12 St. Mark's Place (212-979-5439) WHEN: 8:30pm, Tuesday August 13, 1996 At 8:30pm EST on Tuesday, August 13, 1996, the Republican National Convention will be broadcast live over the Internet! The Several members of Congress will be present and, technology and Murphy's Law permitting, they'll be able to talk to you online through CUSeeMe. Many of New York's Republicans will be gathering at the @Cafe (address below), one of New York's many fine cybercafes, to eat, drink, shmooze, and queue up for a chance to talk to notable Republican legislators live from the Republican convention. Montana Senator Conrad Burns, who has been a driving force within the bi-partisan push to deregulate encryption, will be cyber-present, as will Montana Governor Marc Racicot, widely regarded as a visionary. The event is being coordinated in San Diego by Mike Rawson of Senator Conrad Burns office. Rawson, who has been instrumental in putting the Senate hearings live online along with Jonah Seiger of the Center for Democracy and Technology, will be bringing Senators, and other luminaries to the event. The Republican National Convention's live broadcast page is at: http://www.convention96.rnc.org/live.htm Simply point your Web browser there on Tuesday night to see the live goings-on. The @Cafe is where most people will probably gather, but there are many fine Internet cafes in New York. To find the one nearest you, go to Clay Irving's NYC Guide at: http://www.panix.com/~clay/nyc/cybercafes.shtml @cafe 12 St. Marks Place. It's an Internet provider! No, it's a restaraunt! Whatever it is, it seems like a cool place! alt.coffee 139 Avenue A - Tel: 212.529.CAFE coffee. computers. comfy chairs. Cyber Cafe 273A Lafayette Street, New York, New York 10012 Tel: (212) 334-5140 Fax: (212) 334-6436 In the heart of SOHO New York, Cyber Cafe is a stylish interface between the latest internet technology and the best in fresh, organic food. Internet Cafe 3rd Street (between 1st and 2nd) Kokobar espresso bar-cafi-bookstore features workstations for all-out Internet access. Located in Fort Greene. The VOID 16 Mercer Street (at Howard, one block north of Canal) For more information on the live hookups from the Republican convention, contact Mike Rawson at Senator Conrad Burns' office at 202-224-8250. For more information on the gathering at the @Cafe in New York City, contact Shabbir J. Safdar at 917-978-8430. ###

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Re: Anguilla / taxbomber - legality
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:56 AM 8/11/96 -0400, Vincent Cate wrote: >But fraud is illegal in Anguilla, and fake passports are concidered >fraud. > I should have thought that fraud required use rather than manufacture. It is hard to defraud someone just by making something. You have to communicate with them in some way. The US has very broad fraud statutes and yet these passports are sold in the US. I've never heard of any action against them. There is also a First Amendment issue with the World Federalists and their "Citizen of the World" passport. In any case, and ISP is not a publisher or vendor. Sometimes people pay more attention to lawyers than they should. DCF

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Re: National Socio-Economic Security Need for Encryption Technology
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:15 AM 8/10/96 -0400, Scottauge(a)aol.com wrote: >I was watched CBS reports a couple nights ago about how all these blue collar >and now white collar jobs are going across seas. > >So a possible way to protect jobs is to protect the knowledge on how to do >them. >In essence, knowledge is money, cuz that is what we usually want for it >now-a-days. "Oh you want me to do that for you, hmmmm, lets see...." The first axiom of economics is "Wants are unlimited." I'm glad that they're "shipping all those jobs overseas." The more people we have working the more goodies are produced. If the labor of US workers is freed up, then they can go about producing something else valuable that they didn't have time to produce before because those "third worlders" weren't doing their fair share back when they were trapped in feudalism or fabian socialism. You can't get more stuff (wealth) unless everyone is out there working to capacity (consistent with their desired work/leisure tradeoff). DCF

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Re: Email Bombing
by kickboxer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Yeah, but if the REAL email bomber were such an accomplished hacker, he did not alter the scripts well enough to make the SysAdmin overlook them... -kickboxer

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Re: Rumors of death of Anguilla Data are greatly exagerated.
by Vincent Cate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim: >(I have respect for what Vince did, by actually moving to the Caribbean and >setting up a data haven/offshore ISP business. Thanks. >However, just as we discuss >the situation about remailers going down, or monitoring the cleartext, or >blocking certain addresses, so too should we discuss what Vince is choosing >to do. Maybe he is ultimately right, maybe not. I'm including this preface >just so no one thinks I'm trying to start a feud. No way.) Sure. There are things to figure out, lessons to learn, ... >>This is a fraud by taxbomber. He is totally involved with selling fake >>passports. He calls them "camouflage passports" and they have names like > >"What is truth?" Many of the things customers of a data haven are likely to >be doing are "fraudulent" or "illegal" in some jurisdictions....I'm sure I >don't have to spend effort here citing examples from religious, medical, >and business domains. The fraud I meant was his saying that he is not selling fake passports in his "fee sorry for me I got cut off" post. He was selling fake passports. >Selling fake passports seems not to be something Vince ought to even be >paying attention to. Granted, pressure from outside states may put pressure >on Vince, but this actually confirms my worst (OK, _nearly_ my worst) >suspicions about the viability of such data havens. Remember regulatory arbitrage. The more jurisdictions on the Intenet, the better for users. That some things are not permitted in Anguilla does not mean it is not a viable jurisdiction for some other things. For example, tax free corporations, IPOs over the Internet, gambling (Anguilla should have bingo on the Internet by the end of next month). Vince >My lawyer called me up and told me that fake passports are illegal in >Anguilla and that I should pull this guy immediately. I did. It is our >policy to not permit anything on our servers that is illegal in Anguilla. >My lawyer is where I get the definition of "illegal in Anguilla". Tim: >Instead of "pulling" this guy, did you first send a copy of your lawyer's >letter to you to this guy, and advise him that he should remove just this >one specific item, the allegedly illegal British Honduras passports? After my lawyer called I disabled the web access. I believe this is a big part of his business, and it really just makes more sense for him to use another provider than to remove it. >Tim: >Then I suggest you carefully provide a full copy of what you consider to be >illegal to all subscribers. Will do. More than just leggality, what I consider acceptable. This will show up as http://online.offshore.com.ai/rules.html >I have some questions, though. Would bomb-making instructions be legal or >illegal, acceptable or not acceptable on your system? How about "Kill the >Queen" screeds? And so on. Not acceptable. This is not the market I am after. I don't see the profit in it. >If you "pull" the entire account of a business when the Governor-General, >or His Royal Excellency--or whomever it is that runs Anguilla--applies >pressure....well, you won't have much of a real data haven, now will you? I may not have your idea of a data haven. But there are things, like no-taxes, where Anugilla has stood up to the US pressure for years. >>He also suggested opening up bank accounts with these fake passports >> (encouraging fraud). > >On this last point, how is this "encouraging fraud"? If the laws of a country say it is fraud to open a bank account with a fake passport, then encouraging someone to do so is encouraging fraud. Check with your lawyer and see if you can open up a bank account with a fake passport. If I were making the laws I would permit numbered accounts etc, so there was no interest in fake passports for bank accounts. >Then they deny the loan. One use of fake ID is to open up loans or credit cards under fake names, get some money, and then toss the fake ID and never pay, and never be found. You would agree that is fraud? Tim: >I should remind readers that it is legal >to sell such passports in the U.S....somewhere I have one that says "This >document not good for travel in the People's Republics of Berkeley, Santa >Monica, and Madison," or somesuch. Regulatory arbitrage is a fun thing. If you want to do something that is not OK in Anguilla, but is in the US, then you should do it in the US. -- Vince ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vincent Cate vince(a)offshore.com.ai http://www.offshore.com.ai/vince/ Offshore Information Services http://www.offshore.com.ai/

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Re: Rumors of death of Anguilla Data are greatly exagerated.
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:20 PM 8/11/96, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >Timothy C. May writes: >> Selling fake passports seems not to be something Vince ought to even be >> paying attention to. Granted, pressure from outside states may put pressure >> on Vince, but this actually confirms my worst (OK, _nearly_ my worst) >> suspicions about the viability of such data havens. > >Vince has the right to run his business any way he likes. Of course. I never said otherwise, so this is a straw man argument. Ditto for remailers, ISPs, bookstores, blah blah blah. But this does not mean people should say nothing about what they learn the practices to be. >In some jurisdictions, "Fake" passports are legal. In some, they are >illegal. Vince feels that in his jurisdiction they are illegal. He has >every right to decide who to allow to run off of his web servers -- >even to be arbitrary about it. Of course. I never said otherwise. Those of us who have commented are not challenging his legal right to do so, only remarking that if he cancels accounts without stronger legal evidence, or without making it clear what is acceptable and what is not, he risks losing reptuation capital. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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US Power Outages
by I=(!isnum(self)) 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I wonder if someone's probing power-system vulnerabilities and defense strategies. Just coincidental that there's been all this noise about power grid vulnerability and two vast regional outages this summer? We spent an enjoyable evening around the oil lamps ... maybe it's not such a bad thing, this vulnerability...... <blink> ... POOF!

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Re: Rumors of death of Anguilla Data are greatly exagerated.
by Vincent Cate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Perry E. Metzger <perry(a)piermont.com> > Vince has the right to run his business any way he likes. This is a very good libertarian point. > Vince has made it very clear that he is NOT a data haven. Anguilla is > a TAX HAVEN. That is, if you are selling copies of some software over > the net or what have you, and you run the business out of Anguilla, > you are not liable for any Anguillian taxes because there are none. > > Anguilla is *not* a data haven, drug haven, or any other sort of > haven. I would have thought that Vince made this clear. And Anguilla is first and foremost a taxhaven. But it tries hard to be a very clean taxhaven (does not want drug money etc). I think that "clean" corporations operating here tax free is a potentially huge market. Anguilla and OIS are not the data haven of cypherpunks wet dreams. Neither Anguilla nor I want "hit men for hire" advertising here. Sorry Tim. And I think the loss in clean business would outweigh any money from such by a long shot. The concept of a datahaven is still evolving. There are things that we can and will do from Anguilla. So while Anguilla may not really far along the cypherpunk datahaven scale at this point, I would not go so far as to say it is not a datahaven. One simple example is that OIS was given a project Gutenberg CD-ROM and may sell online copies of old books. Some countries are extending copyrights back further into the past. Anguilla is not. So we could sell books that have expired copyrights in Anguilla but not expired in USA etc. Think regulatory arbitrage. Taxhavens are a huge and well understood market. Datahavens are still new. Not counting gambling, they may only be $0/year rounded to the nearest million. -- Vince ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vincent Cate vince(a)offshore.com.ai http://www.offshore.com.ai/vince/ Offshore Information Services http://www.offshore.com.ai/

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Re: Oregon License Plate Site in the News Tonight!
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:28 PM 8/9/96 -0500, David E. Smith wrote: >In Missouri, that's all they wanted (a PO Box). That's >perfectly copacetic by them. If you want to register for >voting - since we have Motor Voter - they of course need >a real address. And the post office's requirements for >getting a PO Box are nearly nonexistent. Using a Mail Receiving Service (MRS) address will usually work. Many bureau-rats have yet to compile or use a list of Mail Receiving Services. There *are* commercial firms that do compile such lists but they have to be used to be any good. In those rare cases where they turn you down for a registration or drivers license because they happen to notice that you are using a MRS, you can find a real person to accept your mail for you. I solved the problem once by advertizing on Usenet newsgroups for an address and cut a deal. Another possibility is to use the "homeless defense." I'm homeless, this is the only address I have. Auto insurance companies are more likely to give you trouble than government if you use an accommodation address since they have actual money to lose. There are still 10 or so states that do not require auto insurance so by forum shopping, one can dodge this problem and save money at the same time. Most states are not so fussy, and one can usually just use MRS addresses. Litigation to force you to list a "real" address is exceedingly rare (it's not worth the government's time). This is particularly so since it is trivial to switch cities, counties, states, and countries (if in the US use Canada) for official address purposes. You control your address. Move into a hotel/motel that rents by the week, list the address, and then leave. Even in the Nazi strongholds of Mitteleuropa with their address registration laws, one can crash with friends or sublet apartments and avoid the process. Holiday cottages let a month at a time is another technique. Plenty of Germans are living unregistered lives even today. Residence=Domicile Domicile requires "actual physical presence plus intent to make it your home." *Your* actions establish intent not any actions by the government. DCF "Last year, the Government of the United States collected more taxes from the American people than any unit of government has ever collected before in the history of mankind -- and still it's not enough."

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