December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by Mike Howell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anyone know how to connect to the internet thru MSN mail?

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by Mike Howell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anybody know where I can get good scanning program. Thanks a lot, 451 degree :-)

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Re: "----- Message body suppressed -----"
by Lou Zirko 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: alano(a)teleport.com, cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Fri Aug 23 22:43:00 1996 I just got 17 more in the last 30 minutes. They appear to match messages delivered already as per sender, subject and time. The only common issue I see it toad. I have copied a set below. - ------------ FULL Message Return-Path: cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1]) by infinity.c2.org (8.7.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA15937 for cypherpunks-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 06:57:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from big.aa.net (root(a)big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA15932 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 06:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fozzy.aa.net (moon-c24.aa.net [204.157.220.124]) by big.aa.net (8.7/8.7.5) with SMTP id GAA06741 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 06:57:16 -0700 X-UIDL: 840751255.041 X-Intended-For: <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> From: blane(a)aa.net (Brian C. Lane) To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: SpamBot Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:56:22 GMT Organization: Nexus Computing Reply-To: blane(a)aa.net Message-ID: <321c65db.721494(a)mail.aa.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk Well, with all the other noise in the list lately, I'll add a little of my own. I woke up today to find my mailbox filled with 20 messages from a 'careernetonline.com' offering to spread my resume across the net for $60. It was one of those terrorist spams where they apologize for wasting your time and tell you that you can stop getting spammed by replying to the message. Well, I really hate giving in to terrorists, no matter what form they take. And I'm sick and tired of spam. So, I'm starting a project called SpamBot. You feed it a message and a list of addresses and the bot send the message to those addresses until they reply with an appropriate message indicating that they are at least looking into the problem. Some people may say that this is sinking to their level. So it is, but I think its time that system administrators realized that there are people who don't appreciate being the target for shotgun marketing schemes (none of which have been of any use to me). Watch my webpage for more info on this helpful little bot. Brian - ------- <blane(a)aa.net> -------------------- <http://www.aa.net/~blane> - ------- "Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice" - B. Goldwater ============== 11 99 3D DB 63 4D 0B 22 15 DC 5A 12 71 DE EE 36 ============ - --------- SUPPRESED Message Return-Path: cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1]) by infinity.c2.org (8.7.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA20706 for cypherpunks-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 19:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from littlewing.mcom.com (h-205-217-255-33.netscape.com [205.217.255.33]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA20700 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 19:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by littlewing.mcom.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA08776; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 19:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maleman.mcom.com (maleman.mcom.com [198.93.92.3]) by tera.mcom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA13912 for <mcom.list.cypherpunks(a)tera.mcom.com>; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 06:51:48 -0700 Received: from ns.netscape.com (ns.netscape.com.mcom.com [198.95.251.10]) by maleman.mcom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA11324; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 07:24:22 -0700 Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1]) by ns.netscape.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA08688; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 07:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA15937 for cypherpunks-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 06:57:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from big.aa.net (root(a)big.aa.net [204.157.220.2]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA15932 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 06:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fozzy.aa.net (moon-c24.aa.net [204.157.220.124]) by big.aa.net (8.7/8.7.5) with SMTP id GAA06741 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 06:57:16 -0700 X-UIDL: 840854011.002 X-Intended-For: <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> From: blane(a)aa.net (Brian C. Lane) To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: SpamBot Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:56:22 GMT Organization: Nexus Computing Reply-To: blane(a)aa.net Message-ID: <321c65db.721494(a)mail.aa.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk ----- Message body suppressed ----- - --GAA13919.840808533/tera.mcom.com-- > At 06:25 PM 8/23/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: > >At 1:10 AM 8/21/96, Skip wrote: > >> ----- Message body suppressed ----- > >> > > > > > >Sounds good to me. Keep it up. > > It looks like an internal mailing list version of Cypherpunks at > Netscape is > feeding back into the regular list with weird results. > > --- > | "Remember: You can't have BSDM without BSD. - alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com > "| > |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: > | > | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man > | > |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the > keyboard.| > | http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ | alano(a)teleport.com > | > > > Lou Zirko (502)383-2175 Zystems lzirko(a)c2.org "We're all bozos on this bus" - Nick Danger, Third Eye -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 iQEVAwUBMh56UctPRTNbb5z9AQFi4Qf9HKkx+OBM4CdgkIsZvWRsiJ8PDR/TCzai 5vjLUFuDG2462VRHV5onGQ4KZo7XwnyGsjdAgUrx3XzXcXAbKyA3luDOkM5C/8Vk YRBO3pLnCCBUB+54QVt65QgjMZ6JtuCuUZO3ntwwUL9Wde/Y1v0nmHXmuZZE++v3 tyrWrfDRh1aEuwGNjNcEEFQ9ZUEsM/y5RCvVlD/4VyvWSUvDejGItMnIbMWICs2j jt48NNiMK3uU4A5bLDbonzgn4f6n21wF62AJwkAf3UB0DMwJ9DLz2isfOUe50B3h FPw1FZqPvdOz5BV61bKcx2ABU5GZDEe+ZBZ5zdFZ7Xl7JaQbg46CYg== =uBW8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Who Is Littlewing? or Supressed Message.
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Message header: Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1]) by adnetsol.adnetsol.com (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA19273; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 12:59:47 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA22074 for cypherpunks-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 21:17:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from littlewing.mcom.com (h-205-217-255-33.netscape.com [205.217.255.33]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA21979 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 21:13:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by littlewing.mcom.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA09395; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 19:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maleman.mcom.com (maleman.mcom.com [198.93.92.3]) by tera.mcom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA14308 for <mcom.list.cypherpunks(a)tera.mcom.com>; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 06:54:09 -0700 Received: from ns.netscape.com (ns.netscape.com.mcom.com [198.95.251.10]) by maleman.mcom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA06409; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 05:08:50 -0700 Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1]) by ns.netscape.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA01875; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 05:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA13213 for cypherpunks-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 04:49:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aeat.co.uk (gw.aeat.co.uk [151.182.136.1]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA13206 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 04:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clare.risley.aeat.co.uk by aeat.co.uk (8.7.1/AEAT-GW-1.3) id MAA20980; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:48:47 +0100 (BST) Received: by clare.risley.aeat.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13676; Thu, 22 Aug 96 12:49:06 BST Date: Thu, 22 Aug 96 12:49:06 BST From: peter.allan(a)aeat.co.uk (Peter M Allan) Message-Id: <9608221149.AA13676(a)clare.risley.aeat.co.uk> To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: cryptoanalysis 002 Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 ----- Message body suppressed ----- --GAA14322.840808677/tera.mcom.com-- =========== Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: 415-206-9906

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EVIL GUVMINT suppresses our mailing list. message bodies are truncated. we can circumvent the looming censorship if we compose our messages such that all the text goes into the Subject: lines. Please use only subjects to transmit your views. Thank you.
by maintains 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Husband/Wife jailed for saying Clinton SucksHusband/Wife jailedfor say
by nathan poznick 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, nathan poznick wrote: > ----- Message body suppressed ----- > > --CAA28506.840792176/tera.mcom.com-- what is the deal with this??? i never sent anything relating to this thread? nate. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^ Nathan Poznick ^ ^ <npoznick(a)harding.edu> ^ ^ http://www.harding.edu/~npoznick ^ ^ ^ ^ "640k should be enough for anybody." ^ ^ ^ ^ --Bill Gates, 1981-- ^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Re: Spamming
by Vipul Ved Prakash 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> The advertizers in printed & broadcast media exercise a great deal of control > over the content. E.g., a magazine that gets revenues from tobacco ads isn't > likely to run a story about tobacco companies trying to addict kids. That's > why you see more anti-tobacco content in broadcast media (who can't run > tobacco ads) than in printed media. (And there are cross-ownership > restrictions.) This can be true to certain extent. But if the mag doesn't maintain objectivity, it will kill itself slowly. Same is true of broadcast media. Vipul

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Generating credit card numbers
by William Knowles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 24 Aug 1996, Mike Howell wrote: > Does anybody know what I can get for generating the credit card > numbers? Since this is a federal offense, I would think 5-10 years in the federal pen. William Knowles erehwon(a)c2.net -- William Knowles <erehwon(a)c2.net> PGP mail welcome & prefered / KeyID 1024/2C34BCF9 PGP Fingerprint 55 0C 78 3C C9 C4 44 DE 5A 3C B4 60 9C 00 FB BD Finger for public key -- Vote for Harry Browne in November -- http://www.HarryBrowne96.org

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by Mike Howell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

How can I sign off the MSN forewer? Please tell me how can I quit this MSN thing for ever, I don`t want to pay for this anymore...

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Web Resource on Netspam
by Vipul Ved Prakash 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.metareality.com/~nathan/visit.cgi/html.Spam Title: Spam (Not the Hormel product) <a href="http://www.metareality.com/~nathan/visit.cgi/html.Spam" >[Fighting Spam] : [Graffiti] : [Home] : [Limericks] : [Linkage] An honest politician is one who takes your bribe AND votes as you ask. Spam (Not the Hormel product) Anyone familiar with the usenet has seen it. It's the vile stuff that brain-dead get-rick-quick scheme promoters and professionsal advertisers foist upon us all with increasing regularity. There are (to date) two species of spam, differentiated by the mechanism by which they are delivered. Each has its own defining charateristics, each has its own sub-species, but both have two things in common: they're made possible by the workings of the internet, and they're both examples of the same type of 'cost-shifting' that made junk faxes illegal. Contrary to postal junk mail, where the sender bears the full cost of delivery, the spammer bears only a fraction of the cost of delivery; the remainder of the costs are borne by us, the recipients. It's a waste of your bandwidth, your disk space, and your time. email spam Messages delivered by electronic mail to large numbers of recipients who did not ask for or otherwise solicit the messages. It's the junk mail of the 21st century, only worse. usenet spam Messages delivered by usenet to large numbers of newsgroups whose chartered topics are unrelated to (and may even explicitly forbid) the topic of the message. Not enough people seem to realize that there are constructive ways to deal with it, and to reduce the chance that you'll have to deal with it again in the future. What to do What NOT to do The most effective is to write some polite email to the administrator of the site from which the spam originated. You'll soon learn that most system administrators are very unhappy about users who spam the net. It's always gratifying when they write back to tell you that the offending account has been terminated. Start reading <a href="usenet://news.admin.net-abuse.misc">news.admin.net-abuse.misc to learn more about how to deal with spammers. If there's a 1-800 number, call it to express your displeasure. It might please you to note that 1-800 numbers typically cost them a small amount of money with each call. How much do you pay for your disk space and bandwidth with each unsolicited bit of email? It's only fair, right? Grab your telephone, or even pay them a visit in person. You generally have to have access to a unix command line to find the phone numbers and addresses, unless you're dealing with the same <a href="http://www.metareality.com/~nathan/visit.cgi/spam/html.Offenders">spammers that have been bothering me. Why stick to email? If they're in your area, tell them face-to-face that you object to their tactics. Don't post a follow-up message in the same newsgroup. Do you really think that the spammer is going to re-visit thousands of newsgroups to see what people had to say? The same goes for mailing lists. If you get spammed via a mailing list, never reply to the list. Your words will just get re-broadcast to everyone else on the list, thus doubling the nuisance created by the spammer. Fun stuff that doesn't get results, but might be good for a laugh RecyclingIf they enjoy sending spam, then it only makes sense that they wouldn't mind getting their own, right? Just for kicks, forward each new spam to the spammers who have pestered you in the past. While I can't vouch for its effectiveness, it does reek of poetic justice, and it makes me feel a little better. It usually makes people laugh out loud when I explain it, too. <img src = "http://www.metareality.com/~nathan/images/SMILE.GIF"> A Pre-emptive Anti-Spam TacticWhy wait to get spammed, when you can see them coming in <a href="news:news.admin.net-abuse.misc">news.admin.net-abuse.misc? <a href="http://www.metareality.com/~nathan/visit.cgi/spam/html.p.Pre-empt">Let the spammers know in advance that they will be charged (insert dollar amount here) if they send you any junk mail. Additional references Spam and Anonymous Remailing Services Damien Lucifer (<a href="mailto:ncognito@gate.net">ncognito(a)gate.net) operates an anonymous remailing service. He's put together a page covering spam and remailers, including how to get a remailer to stop spamming you, and it is my pleasure to host this page for him. mail bombing For advanced spam-fighters only. Can concerted emailbombing be employed as a legitimate spam-fighting tactic? Pros, cons, and related issues. About Junk Email Some of the hows and whys of junk email, and tactics you can use to help rid yourself of it. A press release from MCI ...with information about their anti-spam policies. See also their <a href="http://www.mci.com/aboutmci/news/nfr/spam.shtml">online policy statement. Note that MCI's seriousness about these statements has been severely questioned in light of their (mis)handling of the Moneyworld/CHAG spammer. 30 days between announcing that the situation is being dealt with and finally cutting off a spammer with message-per-week spamming speed? This is pretty disgusting in light of the good press MCI got when they announced their spam policies. It's starting to look more like a PR stunt than a policy statement. I can only take comfort knowing that at least their sysadmins are aware of (and frustrated with) the situation. I must disclaim that civil legal issues may be involved in the MCI/Moneyworld dispute, so there may be things going on that the public isn't aware of. Still, for MCI not to have covered its corporate ass does not speak well of MCI's sincerity or the competence of MCI's lawyers. Outlaw Junk EMail Now! Write your legislators, ask them to expand the TCPA to include junk email! Note that as the law is currently written, it is unlikely to be applicable to email. Fighting Junk Email" More information about junk email and related issues. Includes pointers to mechanical tactics for dealing with junk email. Spam FAQ Everything you never wanted to know about net spamming. Get that spammer!Webified TCP/IP tools to aid in the fight against spam. <a href="http://techweb.cmp.com/net/issues/036issue/036law.htm">Litigation to the rescue? Use of the Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991 (47 U.S.C. sec 227) to nail junk emails. The case described was settled out of court, but the ideas is intriguing. This commentary, written by a lawyer, does not seem optistic about applying the TCPA directly to junk email, but doesn't rule out the possibility, either. Litigation to the rescue! $500 fines for junk mail via the courts. Sounds like promising tactic for dealing with intra-USA spammings. <a href="http://www.metareality.com/~nathan/visit.cgi/spam/html.FaxLaw">Some commentary on this law was posted to usenet a while back. <a href="http://www.usps.gov/websites/depart/inspect/chainlet.htm">The U.S. Postal Service on Chain Letters Contrary to what the make.money.fast crowd would have you believe, these scams are illegal. See the aforelinked page for details, and and consider talking to the appropriate <a href="http://www.usps.gov/ncsc/locators/find-is.html">postal inspector as well. <a href="http://www.bbb.org/council/complaints/consumerform.html">The Better Business Bureau These folks will be happy to be notified of 'improper selling practices' via the aforelinked form. Anti-Spam lists This is a relatively new phenomenon. People are starting to offer the 'service' of collecting lists of addresses of folks who do not want to get spam. I think this is a bad idea, since it attempts to legitimize junk email, by implying that if an email address is not on the list, it's prefectly OK to send junk email. The other problem with this idea is that there are going to be several of them, and no junkmailer is going to filter their list using each "service." Thus, it will be up to the recipients to track down all of the "services." Currently there are at least three running. One is at http://dm1.com/Epreference/epref.html, one is at http://www.kenjen.com/nospam, and I don't have an URL for the last - it was sent to me via unsolicited email, naturally. Terms of Service and Acceptable usage policies Most Internet service providers require that their customers agree to a set of terms of service (TOS) or an acceptable usage policy (AUP). A random sampling: <a href="http://www.mindspring.com/aboutms/policy.html">Mindspring's policy, Primenet's AUP, MCI's spamming policy, and the terms and conditions for my own ISP, <a href="http://webfaq.halcyon.com/faq/nwn/nwntac.txt">Northwest Nexus (a.k.a. halcyon.com) I should note that while Northwest Nexus doesn't describe spamming in their terms of service, they have booted more than one spammer in the past. It surprises me greatly that they aren't explicit about this in their published terms and conditions. A spamhandling robot This is very "under construction," but worth mentioning anyhow. I'm putting together some perl code to automate the spam-handling process. Common flavors of net.spam The MAKE.MONEY.FAST scheme A direct descendant of the chain letters of old, this is the pyramid scam of the information age... A quick look at the mathematics behind the idea will expose the scam. Phone-sex cretins They post a couple of lines of text-mode heavy breathing, and usually a 1-800 number that you're invited to call. Call the 1-800 number. Really. It costs them money every time you do! They make their money via the 1-900 number that they ask you to call next. So just call the 1-800 number again. And again. And again. <a href="http://www.metareality.com/~nathan/visit.cgi/html.Spam" >[Fighting Spam] : [Graffiti] : [Home] : [Limericks] : [Linkage] Don't just browse here, say something! Speak your mind in this space here: <input type=submit value="Press here to have your words added to the page."> The true beauty of Usenet is the way it allows free communication. You can be rich/poor/ugly/ religious/atheist or a member of any race/religion or be young/old... That's the wonder - everyone can talk to one another and share ideas. Then spam comes along. It fills up newsgroups with so much noise that no one reads it any more. That wondrous method of communication has been lost. That's why I hate spam. You just don't get it, do you? No, deleting one piece of email doesn't take much. Then again, neither does appealing to a system administrator to have the spammer shut down. Two or three bits of junk a day really is something I can live with, but I don't want to. So why should I? Two or three bits of trash by the roadside won't mean the end of the world. Tossing empty cans out the window costs less than having your trash hauled away - what a great opportunity to save money! If litter were acceptable, a public beach would be no place to spend an afternoon. Postal mail costs the sender with each mailing. This keeps junk postal mail to tolerable levels. EMail costs the sender maybe $20/month, period. Are you so fucking stupid that you don't realize what a cesspool the net would be if this were allowed to grow unchecked? -NW People complain about spam and mass E-mailers. But my question is: what's the big deal? Does it REALLY take THAT much PRECIOUS time out of your day to click and delete a piece of E-mail? I think that the people complaining about others taking advantage of an excellent business opportunity ought to just relax a bit. And just HOW does it COST you to deal with SPAM? With ISP's dropping access prices and providing unlimited access to the internet, how could it possibly COST someone to get an E-mail message? I think you people really need to just kick back and relax already. Geeze, if it wasn't SPAM what else would you find to complain about? Spam isn't about content, spam is about quantity and cost shifting. TV spam would be the same ad on every channel at the same time. Print spam would be junk mail sent postage due or charge-on-delivery. With the ads on TV and in newspapers, the advertisers pay the expenses associated with publishing their ads. With net spam, the recipients pay the expenses associated with carrying the ads. That is the key difference. The costs of ads in traditional media help to support the very media that deliver the ads. With net.spam, there are no costs, and the ads just serve to sap the medium. All you need is a free trial account (AOL, interramp, or earthlink, etc are famous for this), and you can broadcast a huge amount of spam before anyone notices. Or, you can pay for an account with MCI, and broadcast huge amounts of spam for 30 days after the sysadmins realize what's going on. -NW Net-based spam is not the only form of spam. There is spam in print and spam in TV advertising. Wouldn't you say every Calvin Klein ad on TV, magazines or billboards is spam? How about Budweiser, Lite beer, and McDonalds commercials. If you see any type of advertising that offends your senses, you should feel free to boycott the products, ask your friends to boycott the products, etc. If the company has an 800 number or web site, let them know that you find their advertising offensive. I am really, really, REALLY tired of being solicited to buy things whenever I log on to my computer. I mean, I pay for the phone line, the software, the hardware, the accounts and my time is worth money as well. I get a LOT of e-mail and a SIZEABLE portion of it is junk e-mail. When I read news, about 10% of it is junk e-mail; more if it is a small newsgroup. I want to know what uninformed idiot is selling my address, or where these people are GETTING it. I have never bought anything over the computer. I have bounced unsolicited junk back to the people who send it. (I love how righteously indignant these people are: they send you mail and expect you to buy something from them and when you fail to perform as expected with joy and gratitude...if you should, in fact, protest them wasting your time and resources...they get downright rude and abusive. The presumptuousness of it just really annoys me.) The capper is that I did some artwork for the anti-Canter- and-Siegel "Green Card Lawyers" tees Joel Furr was offering a while ago. The ultimate clue that I am not interested in spam of any sort, but how could they know? It's just amusing. Let it be known that I am not a test market, nor will I buy any of your crap, be it face cream, thigh cream, green cards, stock options, modems, books, herbs, or the golden goose itself. Not interested. I don't know you, I have no reason to trust you, and you are spamming MY mailbox and expecting ME to reward this with money. No, thank you. I've been online for more than 5 years, and I really long for the "good old days" before the Net was "cool". There ya go. My tuppence. Now...where do I go to put my name on the "Don't Send This Person Crap Mail" list? (Laugh) SPAM is only going to go away if we make sure companies learn that SPAMming doesn't get costumers to buy thier products and it does more to stop potential costumers from buying thier products. I've heard a couple of different conflicting stories about the origins of the use of the word spam in this context. The most popular version suggests that is was inspired by the Monty Python skit in which virtually every item on some restaurant's menu includes spam in some form or other. The waiter's recitation of the menu becomes unintelligible except for '...and spam, spam with..., spam salad, ...with spam, spam mixed with..." and so on. It really picks up when the Vikings start chanting "spam-spam spam, spam, spam-spam spam, spam...." ad nauseum. This is what the net would be like if this stuff was allowed to continue unchecked. If that's not a horrifying thought, maybe you should see the skit in question. My personal belief is that geeks (who make up much of the 'net community (myself included), much of Monty Python's audience, and probably most of Monty Python's cast) just tend to use the word spam when more appropriate words don't come to mind readily. For no particularly good reason, it really stuck this time. -NW Due to popular demand, I've expanded the first couple of paragraphs to better explain what spam is and why it's such a pain in the ass. Personally, I'm getting two to five unsolicited email messages every week. This is up from approximately zero unsolicited messages per week a few years ago when I first started using the Internet and Usenet. It's a trend that has been steadily increa sing, especially for the last year or two. It's a trend that really really worries me. It's a trend that is, worst of all, wasting my time! -NW I an working on a Usenet news server designed to filter spam from a news feed and quietly drop it. Announcements in due course (next few months) but if anyone wants to help with other platforms and live feed debugging please mail me. Wow! Thanks for the help. I'll certainly become an anti-spam activist and use your information to good effect. I don't get it! What is SPAM? Pardon my ignorance but what does "SPAM"ming mean? "SICK PEOPLE AGAINST MAIL"??? For the Spammers that have a web page I visit it with a macro every time that I leave my system idle while connected for more then 5 min. This way at least I'm sucking down their site and causing their site to slow down so those that are interest get bored waiting for an over taxed server to show them just what They get for "ONLY $9.99 A MONTH!!!!" and leave with out buying. The only reason they have the site is to make money. No Money, No Site, No Spam. Very nice -- I like the idea of dialing the 800 number in the ad. One might wish to be sure to mention (if there's a message taker or, even better, a human at the other end) that you saw their ad in (insert newsgroup here) -- and no, you're not interested in buying anything, you just wanted to see what they had. Unfortunately, every time you call the 800 number, chances are you're also adding your own phone number to a database that will result in your receiving "junk phone calls" on a variety of useless subjects. Solution? Make the calls from a pay phone, ideally one that doesn't accept incoming calls. Isn't spam remarkably like the countless hours of television (including but not limited to advertisements) that most of us watched in our childhoods? And to think, whoever controls the information going to the youth of the nation controls the future of the nation. Greedy, stupid corporations played a central role in molding us and shaping our opinions, attitudes, and perspectives. Something to think about, perhaps... <a href="http://www.metareality.com/~nathan/visit.cgi/html.Spam" >[Fighting Spam] : [Graffiti] : [Home] : [Limericks] : [Linkage] n a t e s c a p e </a >@<a href="http://www.metareality.com/"> m e t a r e a l i t y . c o m This page last updated Aug 21 Comments last updated Aug 22

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