December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: CDT Policy Post 2.27 - No New News on Crypto: Gore Restates
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 12 Jul 96 at 18:23, Bob Palacios posted: [Banner Snipped!]] > CDT POLICY POST Volume 2, Number 27 July 12, 1996 [..] > Today's statement is essentially a re-statement of the Clipper III proposal > released in May. Among other things, the Vice President: > > * Called for the liberalization of export controls provided computer > users participate in a "global key management infrastructure" > designed to make personal encryption keys accessible to law > enforcement. This is particularly problematic... if the mainland Chinese gov't requested a key from a N.Amercian or European (or even UN controlled) escrow agency, who is to say it isn't really for political reasons (even though they may claim the persons are drug smugglers)? Or what if the 'crime' was, say, discussing Mormon beliefs, which is illegal in Singapore (and I think Russia as well)? Or what if some terrorist was using keys escrowed in a country that sponsered terrorist acts? --- No-frills sig. Befriend my mail filter by sending a message with the subject "send help" Key-ID: 5D3F2E99 1996/04/22 wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com (root@magneto) AB1F4831 1993/05/10 Deranged Mutant <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key.

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Re: Internet Relay Chat
by AwakenToMe＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

welllllllll all, It really depends on what you do. Hacking IRC can be determined as hacking OPS in a channel... which I can see NO legal frontier in which it crosses. Its more of a battle of wits. Something as simple as finding a server disconnected from the net....making that channel there...and waiting for it to rejoin the net was used to hack OPS on a channel. Now.. that can be something done purely by accident..not realizing the server isnt fully hooked up at the time. Regards, Adam

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Re: Failed mail
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 13 Jul 96 at 22:22, root(a)mail.demon.net wrote: Could you please explain me why my message was blocked? P.S. any CPunks who could answer my questions below? Please reply by e-mail. Thanks ---------- begin quoted message ------------- > Whilst talking to mist.demon.co.uk: > > MAIL FROM:<jf_avon(a)citenet.net> > 503 Local policy blocks mail from <jf_avon(a)citenet.net> > > ------ Original Message Follows ------ > > Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for iolo(a)mist.demon.co.uk > id 837281345:17284:1; Sat, 13 Jul 96 19:09:05 BST > Received: from cti02.citenet.net ([198.53.26.132]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net > id aa16801; 13 Jul 96 19:08 +0100 > Received: from g34-138.citenet.net by cti02.citenet.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) > id AA13507; Sat, 13 Jul 96 13:17:50 EDT > Message-Id: <9607131717.AA13507(a)cti02.citenet.net> > Comments: Authenticated sender is <jf_avon(a)pop.citenet.net> > From: "Jean-Francois Avon" <jf_avon(a)citenet.net> > Organization: JFA Technologies > To: Edgar Swank <edgar(a)Garg.Campbell.CA.US> > Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 13:13:33 -0500 > Subject: SecureDrive(IDEA), Realdeal and plaintext attack > Reply-To: jf_avon(a)citenet.net > Cc: Iolo Davidson <iolo(a)mist.demon.co.uk>, > Arnoud "Galactus" Engelfriet <galactus(a)stack.urc.tue.nl> > Priority: normal > X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.32) > > Hi! > > I wrote to you the other day to send you my config files (excepted > Galactus). > > Just to refresh your memory: > > I use Secure Drive 1.4a on my data drive. > > While running Win3.11wg (with dos7 with locked drives), I load > realdeal.exe /pers . > > > Question: > > Since realdeal overwrite everything with 0s, and that theses > zeroed sectors are encrypted later with IDEA, will that give an > attacker an edge? The attacker will likely know that there are > large disk areas that contains 0s. > > Any comments? > > Thanks > > jfa > > DePompadour, Societe d'Importation Ltee; Limoges porcelain, silverware and crystal > JFA Technologies, R&D consultants: physicists, technologists and engineers. > > PGP keys at: http://w3.citenet.net/users/jf_avon > ID# C58ADD0D : 529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 > > -------- end quoted message ---------------

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Cybank breaks new ground; rejects public-key encryption
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Sender: e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com Reply-To: Ian Grigg <iang(a)systemics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: Bulk Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 22:55:43 +0200 From: Ian Grigg <iang(a)systemics.com> To: Multiple recipients of <e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com> Subject: Cybank breaks new ground; rejects public-key encryption This taken from their pages (http://www.cybank.net/cb-encr.htm) --------------------------------- Security and Encryption Cybank software is protected by multiple encryption and identification systems, some can be seen, others are invisible. Cybank cash can be traced back to the original account it belongs to. Cash Keys cannot effectively be modified with disabling them. Because cash keys are also password protected, they can only be created and spent by the authorised account holder. Cybank uses an encryption matrix of 380 characters. Cybank can safely transfer any Cash Key or message from point A to point B via the Internet. Cybank DOES NOT use Public Key Encryption (which has proven to be insecure). Here is a sample encrypted code, see if you can understand it: 193404158201838932119642777371870823541340764 [...] ------------------------------- I wonder if they intend to publish the protocols :-) -- iang iang(a)systemics.com --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "'Bart Bucks' are not legal tender." -- Punishment, 100 times on a chalkboard, for Bart Simpson The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/

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Re: Stuffs used for detection
by Remo Pini 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:52 PM 7/12/96 +0800, you wrote: >In our school library, there is a depository area wherein you deposit your things and get the tag. Since the library doesn't allow those tags to be brought out from the library, everytime you brought it out and pass by the door, it will alarm. Does anyone know what stuff is that? How come it is alarmed? I brought some metals but it wouldn't alarm... Why those tag would alarm them??? > Most of these systems are made of an oszillator (basically a few windings of a wire with a capacitor: ------ / \ Š--ŠŠ--Š \ / ------ This acts like an ordinary RLC-Oszillator. When you put it in a electrical field with the right frequency, it will effect the field strong enough to be detectable. So, if you shield it, you win. ----------< fate favors the prepared mind >---------- Remo Pini Fon 1: +41 1 350 28 82 mailto:rp@rpini.com Fon 2: +41 1 465 31 90 http://www.rpini.com/remopini/ Fax: +41 1 350 28 84 --------< words are what reality is made of >--------

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Executing remote commands with PGP
by Jim Pinson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I lost the original subject of this thread, but some one was writing about sending commands via PGP. A few years ago I wrote such a perl script. It was part of a simple remailer I developed. At the time I was living overseas, and wanted to be able to send and receive encrypted mail to my friends who did not use PGP. The simple remail script was installed on a Stateside computer, and took all plain text messages it received and encrypted them with my public key and relayed them to me. I could send encrypted mail to the remailer, have it decrypted, and sent on to the final destination. The net result was an unencrypted mail stream within the States, but an encrypted stream to me overseas. As a bonus I added a few lines to let me send commands to the remailer (embedded in the encrypted messages), have them executed on the remote computer, and the results sent back to me. Nothing fancy here, but it worked. I stuck the code on: http://www.polaris.net/~jpinson There is little documentation, just a few comments in the source, I don't use it any more but perhaps someone might find it useful. Look under software in my home page section. There is also an enhanced one time pad there I wrote some time back. Jim Pinson

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Re: Can't block caller ID in Massachusetts?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:25 PM 7/13/96 -0500, Roger Williams wrote: >Certainly, though, if I was calling the BATF toll-free to rat on my >neighbourhood Uzi dealer, I'd never call from my own phone, anonymous >re-phoner or not. A question to ponder: If (anonymous) pay telephones didn't already exist, would they be allowed today? Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Crypto-activism
by Arun Mehta 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 00:43 13/07/96 +0000, Deranged Mutant wrote: >My point is that a lot of people in those countries are aware of PGP >etc. than make it out to be. Certainly many activists are. They >focus on the human rights issues at hand, to which PGP etc. may be a >tool... but isn't the central focus. I agree. But many such people, who need PGP but don't want to make it their central focus, have a hard time acquiring the necessary skills. When even people on this list, for whom by and large crypto is the central focus, complain about how cumbersome PGP is to use in practice, what about everyone else? > >It would be condescending to email to many people in a domain saying >"hey, have you heard of PGP?..." Chances are they'll think it's a >strange commercial spam anyway. You are right, and it wasn't my suggestion to ask in this way. What one could do is: 1) Prepare a writeup in simple English, on exactly how to use the appropriate software. 2) Try to get it translated into Chinese, Korean, and whatever other language we can find volunteers or sponsorship for. 3) Post on appropriate newsgroups that such translations exist, with urls. 4) Suggest that since people living under authoritarian regimes may not have access to the appropriate Usenet newsgroups, to please spread the word. No need to suggest that any particular country is being targetted, in fact enough people living in the US and using the office computer for communications would benefit. >> the question is, are >> *you* in a position to share your knowledge? > >Yep. But there's a proper way to share knowledge. Would you agree that steps 1-4 above would constitute the proper way? In that case, would you help prepare such a document (any other volunteers equally welcome)? >You also have to know what you're talking about: if you're not familiar >with the nitty -gritty of politics in such countries, you'll come off as the >"cypherpunk bearing gifts of crypto for the natives"... the politics >going on in places like Cuba, China, Iraq, Russia are a bit more >complex than what comes off through the media (to some extent no >matter where you are and what media you watch). Undoubtedly. But I see no problem in cypherpunks bearing gifts of crypto to people who are fighting difficult battles for human rights -- ultimately for all of us. If anyone is bearing gifts here, it is them. On the Internet, everyone does what s/he is good at, and cypherpunks just happen to be good at crypto. > >For example... there are many anti-Castro 'democratic' socialists in Cuba. >If you approach them as if they were anti-Communists you'll be seen >as a clueless kook. Some Chinese I have spoken to are suspicious of >the Tiennamen Sq. activists, claiming they were more 'reformists' >than true democratizers who were unknown before Tiennamen. Clearly, in our document we will take no political positions whatsoever. We merely point out that if you wish to communicate securely such that only the recipient(s) can decipher, this is how you go about it. They'll know how to use it, this is a problem they face daily, with phone tappings, bugs, etc. a routine. > >One more important issue: people have to trust you. You can't go >into a strange environment and expect trust if you come off as a >tourist. You are selling yourself short. People who have (successfully?) fought the US government are likely to get a trust bonus among activists anywhere they go ;-) You asked about me, I've put up a little information on http://www.cerfnet.com/~amehta/ I'd be happy to fill in the blanks. Arun Mehta Phone +91-11-6841172, 6849103 amehta(a)cpsr.org http://www.cerfnet.com/~amehta/ The protestors of Tiananmen Square will be back. Next time, the battle will be fought in cyberspace, where the students have the more powerful tanks...

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Chicago Physcial Meet?
by snow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I was exchanging email with another member of the list late last week, and they brought up the possibility of a physcial meet for the greater Chicago Area Cyhperpunks. Would there be interest in such an event? Petro, Christopher C. petro(a)suba.com <prefered for any non-list stuff> snow(a)crash.suba.com

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Re: Crypto-activism
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

BTW, Sent this message to you the other day. It was bounced back... ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from unix.asb.com by giasdl01.vsnl.net.in; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/23Apr96-0134AM) id AA09399; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 10:32:46 +0500 Received: from magneto (sls17.asb.com [165.254.128.27]) by unix.asb.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA16194 for <amehta(a)giasdl01.vsnl.net.in>; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 01:20:32 -0400 Message-Id: <199607130520.BAA16194(a)unix.asb.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> From: "Deranged Mutant" <WlkngOwl(a)unix.asb.com> Organization: What organization? To: Arun Mehta <amehta(a)giasdl01.vsnl.net.in> Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 01:03:41 +0000 Subject: PGP Key Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Arun, No offense is meant at my posts, BTW. Just that I've seen seen some crazy schemes by activists who ignored the subtlety of some issues and do more harm than good. (Old pat phrase about road to hell being paved with good intentions...). Particularly with activists from "out-of-town" who claim to know what's better for the locals. Took a look at your home page,BTW. No public key on it, checked the servers. Also saw you graduated from SUNY in '76. Which school? (I've got a BA from SUNY Stony Brook recently, though not in comp-sci...) Peace, Rob -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzF7Ci0AAAEH/2FiCb1r6C7QxMuExNo695h2qhiqkuS2EHrGyQ4gh+K1/4ha fXbXkHzeC0ifQSCTHPEknG/vCZP3ihkxTlwNaHE3GsSgu3e0o4uDDrz8mFWTEcTW mwjVGcDA2y0XBEc3Veh3hpVSTaKgYA12EcpQMzEAaICD/v8iezeDIRvAY8Jah/Wj 4dn1VF3RTYOm7ypTMLWDJQU2/cMk+TralJkMrSIhCE0GPU0JRAfjH/J2bl+5vxjF cC1JMSsY+LfgB8et3rSktdZzuudq08XQkPO79BL6U1ZqYjKwXWFKRNwP5XARDc+f 2pKBaCu0MN8kBoXOSvk4vJQpU6ATBM2VLF0/LpkABRG0JHdsa25nb3dsQHVuaXgu YXNiLmNvbSAocm9vdEBtYWduZXRvKYkAlQMFEDF7I67bHFCnqx9IMQEBJ3IEAJjp jcO91LnEGpQBWSR5liEHiAtkMH1kEVTOHFQsDQYF1Hb+ZIdbioIS6h4Il4NuHRZ5 ThtfCBs/jdNi2dtzVP6Isd1AsSSuRcyejeZblp1Ope71yrhV6uR7izHUGTK0GgHm xprq/E078oZdVB/73RNLM1qZdKW//4FoRLIZMOUBiQEVAwUQMXsSEwTNlSxdPy6Z AQEmrwf9FHSkUB+sTOIJhiLHfoJTETmEhKqFAjTs+4gRCCNiNSarLRyxF6lLRZDq lii02exIEgqzsiTlAta9nJ/ivnrtzcvhGxfXoOnbluuXa55HrosCXGjPt/XhZw++ p3iHKIox26M1cfe4WxAfD0HByvEn/uvNByTAh8aAqGqDxkDppZ6BnhMBlwXyAPaS bxGXzohOnKbg4oRTgO0932DUWU0uGX05Ab4jE+ZIGPT/w3cirHIRI+8vuNNrvuzE fG2RuI4Ns3hy0X9ZgP7hF+pRCWCQP/ak/HL38qegU90OlPFN8sdzS+qIaJROcT91 oMmPkUMgxdNcwhmqMqH2cQIj8pJhEJkAjQIr7lFeAAABBAC6rQ3ND8whLABFsDGN wYlIy9T4mqykqRT23hT1QIS9p+dSP8Zg3m8F5W4WsFfPBUqI0MsPGinYFzefq83V dEruPtFbnqKcbu1bjMAtjuFF6LSdEdOUlUdHE6YWOCZpcK6OmSrZKfrzlnmjaQ88 njTyqTwUsZAFfA3bHFCnqx9IMQAFEbQnRGVyYW5nZWQgTXV0YW50IDx3bGtuZ293 bEB1bml4LmFzYi5jb20+iQCVAwUQMMpQXdscUKerH0gxAQFNvAQAme7BCMGVUQCW CrdbnttRfZwSj6ryvhkIVYMcht2wtlpbEF/y2PxAbewWIBcPUCvJeyq1pViDcsbl 6gFLqKkaNA9okk0bAW0xZ5/qGIHmkkLkSnwOysdIExsrJykpKT/9Nrd11VKbrMXX tyMBDZR2c7GpyCVaud9XMS+Auuzb8vC0K1JvYmVydCBXYWxraW5nLU93bCA8cnJv dGhlbmJAaWMuc3VueXNiLmVkdT6JARUDBRAu/eFMbr6/n5nWRf0BAe1+B/9AePkd mJJVqb2XlX6uDC1/kGrSlRJlZp6Xy5NmKMcZG4KBI48MwWbGqxkr4iYTv0ep9+PV Jcd0mDuGTke3HSBffmpVEWHi/oBc1BpPBAVJPP8EX147yQXfn2SiyWQunDVZeFRy Ss1GLxgPR0JjaysmwoNcPL1RS3hpgPY81G+f+A35/q9vwC4i8+CnF4z0Rda3CUbg u1O9RngkbOAM6sJzEDJDJIonjEuKRtjOQShayR8sZbqVn09cOqXFRJ8T+1XLetW9 gtmKQNg4nQpm6xorqal7uZiHlksaKh1BweXm/iTwpNw2s0H53SbE6mX5IJo1r8/e +lUYvX/ygC/suAx1tDFOb3RlOiA8cnJvdGhlbmJAaWMuc3VueXNiLmVkdT4gZXhw aXJlcyBBdWd1c3QgJzk2iQCVAwUQMcT5OtscUKerH0gxAQFYZgQAo6LLlDLSuBF6 TlQjSH3yVuEh5hv8BZ0Jc6EcLlnC8brZD9k+sH0y0NknPcIVTzl5j3V+WCS0M2Pz bE4uZDEi7arfK3plhsU2JtGM9thl1LyaTvUyVR1ycvskJh3AMHvG+EhhfgLyngtE JLpKdFJSOoKPDRGTYyZ3jmtpN7p2vP60JlAuTy5Cb3ggMTMyNyBTdG9ueSBCcm9v aywgTlkgMTE3OTAgVVNB =aX7r -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- --- No-frills sig. Befriend my mail filter by sending a message with the subject "send help" Key-ID: 5D3F2E99 1996/04/22 wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com (root@magneto) AB1F4831 1993/05/10 Deranged Mutant <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key.

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