December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

The Four Horsemen Go to the Olympics!
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well, there was an explosion at the Olympics... It may have been a bomb or it may have been a transformer. Expect this to be used as fuel as to why every one in America must be under constant survelance by the Government. The Four Horsemen are now an Olympic Event! --- Alan Olsen -- alano(a)teleport.com -- Contract Web Design & Instruction `finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ "We had to destroy the Internet in order to save it." - Sen. Exon "Microsoft -- Nothing but NT promises."

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Gambling Protocols
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>If Phil really believes he and I are at any credible legal risk >>for a making such a personal wager, he is a fool. The obvious approach is for some kind person to send encrypted email to both Phill and Sandy and offer to hold their digicash in escrow. What kind of protocol would it take to implement this correctly? The escrow agent needs to verify that the e-money is good (though not necessarily where it came from), and perhaps put some kind of lock on it to prevent double-spending by the bettors. The bettors need to be able to verify that the escrow agent hasn't ripped them off. (The escrow agent may have a certain amount of reputation with the two players, but may not be in a regular escrow business so he may be willing to rip them off, unlike a bank which probably doesn't want to risk its reputation. In a typical betting-escrow situation today, the escrow agent doesn't need much reputation because he's right there while the two bettors are arm-wrestling, shooting pool, trying to out-drink each other, or whatever, so he can't really abscond.) Non-payer-anonymous double-spender-identifying e-money would be one approach - if the escrow agent rips them off, he's traceable, and if one of the bettors double-spends, he gets fingered. Perhaps the escrow agent should deposit the money (and a key) with the bank and get back an encrypted set of money and a certificate saying the encrypted money is worth $X (which lets you use basic Chaumian first-spender-wins e-money.) Any better approaches? # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> # Dispel Authority!

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Re: LIMBAUGH ON TV [Political Rant]
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:27 PM 7/25/96 -0400, hallam(a)Etna.ai.mit.edu wrote: >The moral point is not that there is risk of being caught, it >is that society has made laws and unless there are exceptional >circumstances it is a duty to obey those laws. I haven't seen society making laws recently; I've seen societies tolerating governments and governments making laws, generally to benefit one special interest or another, and I include bureaucratic growth and self-preservation as special interests. I don't see how duty attaches to any of that. Duty attaches to keeping committments you've made to other people and living up to your moral values, and in spite of government telling me I've got a duty to it, I don't. Meanwhile, society is a bunch of individuals and the interactions they have with each other. If you want society to work well, there are lots of things you can and should do to help - but duties are to individuals. Letting other people live their lives in peace may count as a duty - and if it does, then governments have the duty not to make laws unless there are exceptional circumstances. The facts that people can lose money gambling or get stoned by taking drugs or make money by helping other people do these things are certainly not exceptional... >I don't argue against breaking laws which are immoral, indeed >I am still refusing to pay a Poll tax bill from the UK despite >the fact that the amount outstanding is inconsequential. Why? Aside from the fact that Maggie and the Parliament were quite obnoxious in enacting and implementing it, what's wrong? If you're think that some people's Fair Share of the cost of supporting society is higher than others', and object because this tax

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Decrypt info about domain name
by Jerome Tan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Where can I find the file to decrypt in order to change the domain name of a Unix system?

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Re: LIMBAUGH ON TV [Political Rant]
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:27 PM 7/25/96 -0400, hallam(a)Etna.ai.mit.edu wrote: >The moral point is not that there is risk of being caught, it >is that society has made laws and unless there are exceptional >circumstances it is a duty to obey those laws. I haven't seen society making laws recently; I've seen societies tolerating governments and governments making laws, generally to benefit one special interest or another, and I include bureaucratic growth and self-preservation as special interests. I don't see how duty attaches to any of that. Duty attaches to keeping committments you've made to other people and living up to your moral values, and in spite of government telling me I've got a duty to it, I don't. Meanwhile, society is a bunch of individuals and the interactions they have with each other. If you want society to work well, there are lots of things you can and should do to help - but duties are to individuals. Letting other people live their lives in peace may count as a duty - and if it does, then governments have the duty not to make laws unless there are exceptional circumstances. The facts that people can lose money gambling or get stoned by taking drugs or make money by helping other people do these things are certainly not exceptional... >I don't argue against breaking laws which are immoral, indeed >I am still refusing to pay a Poll tax bill from the UK despite >the fact that the amount outstanding is inconsequential. Why? Aside from the fact that Maggie and the Parliament were quite obnoxious in enacting and implementing it, what's wrong? If you're think that some people's Fair Share of the cost of supporting society is higher than others', and object because this tax treats everyone equally, the Politically Correct way to protest it would seem to be to pay _more_ tax because you're a well-paid technical person, not to pay _less_ tax because factory workers can't afford to pay as much as you.... >You sound like an 18th century fop challenging someone to a duel. Hey, an armed society is a polite society, and since you're being rude calling him a fop, he obviously ought to blow you away :-) (Just because I believe in the right to own weapons doesn't mean I have to _like_ the things or the arguments gun nuts make .....) >Would you believe that Continental is so lame that they do not >offer either the Sci-Fi channel nor the comedy channel in the >home town of MIT and Harvard? If I had realised that NBC >Olympic coverage would be as bad as it is I might have got a >satelite dish to pick up the feed from Astra. But Phil - Cable TV Regulation is the Law! It's the government helping protect you from dig-eat-dog competition! It's your _duty_ to watch government-enforced-monopoly TV and _like_ it! # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> # Dispel Authority!

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Overwelmed with Stupidity...
by Shaun Clark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ok, ok... Let me say something, but I don't want anyone to take this wrong. I'm not trying to be stupid, but I don't have half the knowledge you all seem to posses. For instance what the heck is a TRS-80, DES, or even GAK? I probabl;y know or have heard but, I'm not picking up on the three letter words. So, if you could help meout maybe I just might be able to start contributing activly to this mailer!

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Re: The Four Horsemen Go to the Olympics!
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:15 PM 7/26/96 -0700, Alan Olsen <alano(a)teleport.com> wrote: >Well, there was an explosion at the Olympics... It may have been a bomb or >it may have been a transformer. >Expect this to be used as fuel as to why every one in America must be under >constant survelance by the Government. >The Four Horsemen are now an Olympic Event! Yeah, it's been a wild week. There was also an airplane hijacking today, which ended peacefully. The hijacker had a laptop wrapped in tinfoil he was claiming was a bomb.* And of course Clinton's first speeches after the TWA crash were "we don't have any evidence of terrorism yet but you'll all have to give up your civil liberties so we can do a better job of protecting you." ---- *Penn Jillette proposed that a good boot-up program for laptops and PDAs is one that displays a big timer counting backwards, for use in airports that want to see that you've got a real laptop. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> # Dispel Authority!

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Re: The Four Horsemen Go to the Olympics!
by Nathan Syfrig 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:15 PM 7/26/96 -0700, Alan Olsen <alano(a)teleport.com> wrote: >Well, there was an explosion at the Olympics... It may have been a bomb or >it may have been a transformer. >Expect this to be used as fuel as to why every one in America must be under >constant survelance by the Government. >The Four Horsemen are now an Olympic Event! And here's your suspect (from anonymous): I AM NOT GOING TO TOLERATE EXISTENCE OF A MEDIUM FOR CRIMINAL HACKERS AND MUNITIONS SMUGGLERS. I WILL COMPLAIN TO THE FBI IMMEDIATELY SO THAT THEY CAN TRACK YOU DOWN AND CLOSE THIS LIST. Now all you have to do is match this sentence structure with the 911 tape. Maybe there's a correlation between an electronic fingerprint and fingerprints on the phone booth. This is very worrysome, as it truly is a "world stage" event that could really serve to galvanize various governments into uniting against strong non-escrowed crypto. Hey, it will look good for the international PR, never mind the fact that not everybody will be so 'diligent' in registering their keys and/or use the "approved" crypto. And of course, this country just purchased another IBM computer for "nuclear simulation". Gee, I wonder what else that power might be used for? (but then again, it's from IBM, purveyor of the Olympics computer services) Nathan (standard not-my-emplyers-views disclaimer)

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Off Topic: Send e-mail to post to Usenet
by Jerome Tan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

How can I send e-mail to post my message to the Usenet without using the NNTP server of my ISP? I say this because my ISP's news server is not working 100% correctly, if not, it is not 100% dependable.

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Re: ALL OF YOU ARE CRIMINAL HACKERS, I AM GOING TO CALL FBI
by Blake Wehlage 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:33 PM 7/26/96 -0700, anonymous-remailer(a)shell.portal.com wrote: >I AM NOT GOING TO TOLERATE EXISTENCE OF A MEDIUM FOR CRIMINAL HACKERS >AND MUNITIONS SMUGGLERS. I WILL COMPLAIN TO THE FBI IMMEDIATELY SO THAT THEY >CAN TRACK YOU DOWN AND CLOSE THIS LIST. > I find this rather comical. I think I'll add this to my web-site. Maybe then the FBI will close it down. :-) ========================================== Blake Wehlage <jwilk(a)iglou.com> ±» RëVðLû¡ØÑ Bø+ ©ÖmP@ñ¥ «± Goto: http://members.iglou.com/jwilk

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