December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Netscape appears to be bouncing our stuff around within
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've gotten dozens of these "Message body suppressed" things, including copies of my _own_ messages sent out a couple of days ago (and received OK the first time around). It looks like " ns.netscape.com " got a copy from toad.com (see bottom of block below), bounced it around within Netscape, and then resubmitted it to toad.com (see top of block below), minus the message body. --Tim (most recent) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA20948 for cypherpunks-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 19:37:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from littlewing.mcom.com (h-205-217-255-33.netscape.com [205.217.255.33]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA20940 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 19:37:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by littlewing.mcom.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA11550; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 19:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maleman.mcom.com (maleman.mcom.com [198.93.92.3]) by tera.mcom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA16047 for <mcom.list.cypherpunks(a)tera.mcom.com>; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 07:02:15 -0700 Received: from ns.netscape.com (ns.netscape.com.mcom.com [198.95.251.10]) by maleman.mcom.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA12104; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 18:17:30 -0700 Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1]) by ns.netscape.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA00591; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 18:16:33 -0700 (PDT) (oldest) We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Weird "Suppression" messages
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:36 PM 8/23/96 -0700, Z.B. wrote: >On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Alan Olsen wrote: > >> At 10:54 PM 8/20/96 -0700, Rich Graves wrote: >> > ----- Message body suppressed ----- >> > >> >--SAA08114.840765294/tera.mcom.com-- >> >> This is bizzare. I have gotten three messages with this message. >> >> Is someone at Netscape canceling messages? (mcom.com is the old domain name >> of Netscape.) >> >> Anyone have any ideas on this? > >I don't have a clue what it is, but it's sure pissing me off. I've >gotten about 15 or so of these messages in the past two hours. If it's >an honest error, then someone better fix it real fast; if some loser is >jerking us around, ...... Some list redirector of somesort has gone wonky at Netscape. (Take a look at the headers if you do not believe me. They are originating off of some internal lists at mcom.com, the original Netscape domain.) Cypherpunks is not the only list effected by this. I am getting these weird messages on wwwsecurity as well. Since it is Friday, I expect that this will be with us until someone gets in the office on Monday. --- | "Remember: You can't have BSDM without BSD. - alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com "| |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ | alano(a)teleport.com |

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Re:
by Sean Sutherland 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Sat Aug 24 19:00:18 1996 > Does anybody know what I can get for generating the credit card > numbers? > And they say there's hope for the youth of America. - --- Sean Sutherland | GCS/C d- s+:+ a--- C+++ V--- P L E- W++ N++ K w o PGP Key ID: E43E6489 | O-(++) M-- V PS+ PE++ Y PGP++ t--- 5+++ X++ R b++ Vote Harry Browne '96 | DI+ D+ G e- h! !r y -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Key: finger or email w/ 'send key' in subj. http://www2.interconnect.net/maverick iQEVAwUBMh+Xk1ZoKRrkPmSJAQGj+Af8C2P7D+3ZZ4f8h76+6UfdgqEubOO0mkWj 2DazxBMuY1b1sx1G6gaIGR9Tc11vIcoCY3pmBzhBW7Nc6do8gfOK8Bkkon6Pck1g 61tCFH6qPb2bSH0HnbzjrXJhRD6dFv9ondTtyZgiFIeMuVDDIx4+ZKvelL6BHk8x o6sLdY4Y/Nmnvz9HXrBj0DaYR8pcY96+dexwj5luvcgVkdsDjghWXZy/mHkeDXMI bvOuUOMLQyExS0Ts4D5K4/XfIhP0HUiPfdeL9oxONcLUYznywxAUevBMfHceqvsS qFnxcDcyHa8ynHLRH9Qg0t5QuKVUvTpZh3YjPXCF9QKwvIFbZukHKw== =e03n -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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blah PGP/Remailers in the News!
by nobody＠cypherpunks.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here's an EXCELLENT column on PGP and remailers: Roadside Attractions Along the Information Highway by Dave Farrell [roadside(a)branch.com] Your e-mail doesn't have to be for everyone's eyes Sending e-mail over the Internet can be a very convenient and efficient way to communicate. If things are working right, you can dash off a memo to a friend or colleague halfway across the world and they'll receive it within minutes. (On the other hand, I've sent off important e-mail messages into cyberspace never to hear from them again, but that's another column.) A big drawback of the e-mail, however, is that it is not private. In fact, it's a lot like mailing a postcard to a friend. Just as a lot of people handle your postcard before it gets to its final destination, your e-email mesages pass through a lot of computers before they land in the recipient's in-box. In both cases, there are plenty of opportunites for people to read your messages before they get where they're going. You may not care if someone reads the bean dip recipe you're sending to your Aunt Clara, but sensitive monthly sales reports you're emailing to your boss might be another story. While there's no way to absolutely guarantee e-mail privacy on the Net, there is a fairly simple way to make it extremely hard for prying eyes to read your messages. It's called encryption, and there's a couple of good programs available that can teach you how to encode your messages. Encryption basically involves scrambling your outgoing messages to make them unintelligible. The recipient then unscrambles them on the receiving end, converting them back into plain English. There are several encryption programs available on the Internet. I recommend you try PGP, which stands for Pretty Good Privacy. You can download a free copy of PGP from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Web site: http://web.mit.edu/network/pgp.html. Of course, PGP works only if you take the time to use it. To make that process easier, you should download a copy of Private Idaho, a free program that will make using PGP a point-and-click process. Private Idaho also will enable you to post anonymously to Usenet Newsgroups and do other neat tricks, such as anonymously access Web sites with your browser (you did know that you leave electronic "mouse tracks" when you visit Web sites, didn't you?) You can download a copy of Private Idaho from http://www.eskimo.com/(tilde)joelm. [retypist's note: yes, the article had "(tilde)" in place of "~"] Unfortunately for Mac users, Private Idaho is available only for Windows. If you really want to increase your Internet privacy, you might want to consider using anonymous remailers to send and receive your messages. These remailers strip your messages of your reutrn address and allow you to send e-mail that can't be easily traced back to you. There are many reamilers on the Net. Some are free, some charge. For a nice list to choose from, surf over to: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/(tilde)raph/remailer-list.html. If you're REALLY paranoid about hiding your electronic tracks, you can send your message through several anonymous remailers, which will obscure your identity over and over again. To learn more about this process, check out http://www.replay.com/staff/usura/chain.html. To save some time typing in the addresses of all the remailers you want to use, try the Community ConneXion at: http://www.c2.org/remail/by-www.html. This site will allow you to point-and-click your way through the process of selecting remailers and sending your messages. Finally, for more information about on-line privacy, visit the Electronic Privacy Information Center: http://www.epic.org.

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[NOISE]Mangled messages
by Derek Bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I did a quick count and found 35 messages that have been mangled today. Fortunately, the last message I got wasn't mangled. Hopefully this is the end of the problem. Derek

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Message Body Suppressed...
by David E. Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Sat Aug 24 22:16:12 1996 > ----- Message body suppressed ----- > > --TAA17492.840768149/tera.mcom.com-- > > > > This is getting annoying. Could one of our resident Netscape employees take a look into this one and see what's happening? dave - ----- David E. Smith, P O Box 324, Cape Girardeau MO USA 63702 dsmith(a)prairienet.org http://www.prairienet.org/~dsmith send mail with subject of "send pgp-key" for my PGP public key "The only reason you're still alive is because someone has decided to let you live." - Nicole Blackman/KMFDM, "Apathy" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMh/FfzVTwUKWHSsJAQFLSwf/QVlIDuTj8Q3hC+hqyl0mLPbYkO82+1f5 FoVukNpdsc/2OQ0+jAD3MjcHJO/yEIVW45+4P6wAutWdsvU5t61gCz3HUblCLC2t tO84wNBNGVRI6d3HpEE7aKRAUAfmqOcv6YcUx5eXfjRJrXdXE0k5EzuUzyQgIBbI B4a4P6WHloq5WtCIlmbt/J3voMIE4b/y/8kbDl1l9RziwRGX6SkYRK3i9v9YTcgl eWHT8uMoI6/GDjxzuEvn1ZUcvkIofh7mLXvP+H5DrSzNpv3knkfKBa5ce9TOkX3o RFa2bHgWXWMtkiTVD2HLpEZ0SaxWahxABavllg1lzzuiE/+Sli/BKA== =TV20 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Your Majordomo request results
by Majordomo＠toad.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-- Your request of Majordomo was: >>>> subscribe cypherpunks **** Address already subscribed to cypherpunks Your request of Majordomo was: >>>> end END OF COMMANDS

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ADMIN: The list was off for a day
by Hugh Daniel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The cypherpunks(a)toad.com list was turned off for just over a day to keep a set of bogus messages off of the list. Many thanks go to John Gilmore for fixing the problem. The next message will be a (almost) digest of the 17 messages that were not passed on in real time to the list. Think of it as a vacation. ||ugh Daniel Majordomo Owner & Potty Trainer hugh(a)toad.com

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MUD anyone?
by Rev. Mark Grant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Would anyone out there be interested in helping set up a crypto-anarcho-capitalist MUD to play around with some of the social aspects of crypto-anarchy and anarcho-capitalism? I can probably hack together a basic lpmud in a month or two if someone has a machine which it could run on and which could run a mailing list for those involved. On the software front, there's a demo of version 0.86 of Privtool on utopia.hacktic.nl in /pub/replay/pub/PGP/unix (or something like that), and my mailbot is also on there somewhere. Amongst other things that allows you to remotely maintain Web pages by sending PGP-signed email (actually, PGP-encrypted would probably also work if you don't mind leaving a secret key on the system with no passphrase). Doesn't yet protect against replay attacks and there are a few known bugs but it's only an Alpha. If anyone wants to use it for real I can mail you a patch for the worst problems. Finally, does anyone outside the US have the last few months of the list available for ftp? I'd like to catch up on what I've missed since I unsubscribed and using the Web archive is far too slow and expensive. Please send replies to me directly as I'm travelling and consequently off the list. Looks like I'll be on a mad bus trip round New Zealand for most of next month so Net access will be erratic. Mark |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| |Reverend Mark Grant M.A., U.L.C. EMAIL: mark(a)unicorn.com | |WWW: http://www.c2.org/~mark MAILBOT: bot(a)unicorn.com | |Approximate Current Location: Melbourne, Australia | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|

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Re: [US POLITICS] Cypherpunk voting - ITAR or CDA
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:37 AM 8/25/96 -0400, Vincent Cate <vince(a)offshore.com.ai> wrote: >Dole says he would fix the ITAR problem, but try to keep something like >CDA. >Clinton is keeping ITAR and signed CDA. But not having the religious >right he might soften on CDA. Clinton is, of course, not a liberal. Censorship doesn't bother him much. (He's a friendly statist who likes to control your money more than your life, so he might occasionally feel a twinge of guilt, but not enough to change policies, and only if the polls are suggesting that guilt would be a useful PR move.) Dole, on the other hand, stands for being in his party longer than anyone else, doing a competent job of insider coordination, and keeping Big Agribusiness happy. His speechwriters are mildly opposed to free trade, but like US exports. Crypto software is not a product of Archer Daniels Midland, Supermarket to the World, but if the polls suggest that it's as popular as corn oil, he'll have his speechwriters write a speech in favor of it. Ross Perot's gonna get together a team of experts to decide on it, though if we allow those Canadians to get American Encryption Technology before we throw out NAFTA, there's gonna be a giant sucking sound as all our cryptography business gets hoovered up to the Frozen North. Ralph Nader knows that Clipper is unsafe at any speed, and would certainly allow open public inquiry into the military-industrial complex's encryption policy-making process, though any technological exports would require an environmental impact statement, 2% of sales would be required to be on solar-powered low-emission computing equipment, and foreign cryptographic developers would have to be paid a living wage. Dr. John Hagelin (no, not _that_ Hagelin) knows that mathematics operates in harmony with Natural Law, and his party will introduce scientifically proven techniques for reducing the entropy level of messages, and eliminating the stress and paranoia that lead people to hide the content of their messages. Further more, special teams of Sidhi(tm)-trained technicians will provide telepathic transmission for areas with high levels of stress, which has been shown to reduce conflict when only 1% of the telephone callers are accessed using these Scientifically Proven Techniques. Bring an offering of fruit and flowers to the polls. The Socialist Worker's Party statement will be available as soon as the Teamsters election results allow appointment of a bargaining unit for the Bit Twiddlers, Left Shifters, and Table Look-up locals to negotiate protocols with network management, and categorically refuses the counter-revolutionary demands for EXclusive Or which the multi-national corporations intend to impose on the work force. ..... As you might have guessed, I'm still planning to vote Libertarian :-) Free minds, free markets, free speech, and I guess Harry Browne will do as good a job as any candidate we've had in a while. Vice-presidential candidate Jo Jorgenson has run her own software business for a while. ...... However, if you're tired of the Lesser of N evils, Cthulu's export policy is that you can't escape anyway, and your puny mortal lives will be absorbed along with his morning coffee. Your encryption technology is futile against the Elder Ghods, and the arcane formulas in the Cyphernomicon of that mad physicist Tim The Enchanter may summon spirits from the vasty deep, but no secrets are safe from Nyarla-S-Ahothep who knows all and sees all. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> Reassign Authority!

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