December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

17 Dec '03

Does anyone have ANY code for DES or RSA encryption for use on a PIC microcontroler? A friend and I are developing an ASCII terminal (dumb term) that encrypts data going to the serial port and decrypts data coming from the serial port, so you could successfully send a message over a modem and have it automatically encrypted\decrypted. We have all the hardware almost done, but we are having a hell of a time writing the code for the encryption... Thanx in advance... l8r, -MeRC merc(a)redrose.net -or- merc(a)success.net -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUAMUC05tnn3Dsf47p5AQE6AAP9E/JebLn1UtkOk41IGw/i4XHKckVcI6RH ptBMucqx01sSTxaR8tXPmmkKjz5f3xndxepbbs6nKfoNuSaODWSirOlNvt3i1DWL iUmB9+rUYmwwlpD7t6qyy2XzsAxO/M/nFT4ZxO8wi96nR/Rmp00LvCoK+YcjgQnj HReyQrIl4X+ZAI0DMUCzOgAAAQQAv6IH+OnLeP+chsgwymSVKqsXHO1xwJLxs657 Cf3miDM3mNBB/qmRziQ1zHeC/nXgaGhR7eAdidL6MngDXl6+cw4Z5xXvenu5MpEW zpZpwDK5/XwuvCIexQP2eHIb2Ms6vna7fUoaHGrrV4844KIVg+E36ZgWT1ZP2efc Ox/junkABRGwAYe0I01pY2hhZWwgRC4gV2hpdGUgPG1lcmNAc3VjY2Vzcy5uZXQ+ sAED =ZbPJ -----END PGP MESSAGE-----

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Re: So, what crypto legislation (if any) is necessary?
by shabbir＠vtw.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lucky Green writes: >At 2:08 3/26/96, Shabbir J. Safdar wrote: > >It is a widespread myth that wiretaps require warrants. Court ordered >warrants are not required for a wiretap. They have not been required since >the Digital Telephony Bill passed. (see below) >That the net, the media, and even >attorneys are so blissfully unaware of this, even years after the provision >doing away with requiring warrants became law, is one of the finest >examples of cognitive dissonance you are ever likely to find. It is too >disturbing to believe it, so the mind ignores the facts. When everyone in the world seems to disagree with you, isn't it a good idea to check the facts? >Excerpt from the Digital Telephony Bill (deleted) [..] >"My supervisor approved it" may well suffice. Your misunderstanding of how interceptions are done is dangerous to what is otherwise a rational, intelligent argument. Indeed, there are ways to conduct a wiretap without a judge. They require dispensations from people like the Attorney General, for example. And this is certainly not a normal practice. There are a lot of reasons to object to DT, but this is not one of them. -Shabbir J. Safdar * Online Representative * Voters Telecomm. Watch (VTW) http://www.vtw.org/ * Defending Your Rights In Cyberspace

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Re: Let's *NOT* "Raise their Awareness"
by David K. Merriman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 12:23 AM 03/27/96 -0800, Charles Bell wrote: >On Tue, 26 Mar 1996, David K. Merriman wrote: > > >Yes, and some years ago a State legislature (I forget which) passed a >resolution setting the value of pi at exactly 3. I'm not sure how they >planned to enforce their will. Do you know how the Texas judge means to >enforce his? Frankly, no. I would suspect some kind of visits from Child Welfare, or somesuch - fruitless though it may be. Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMVjxCsVrTvyYOzAZAQFWfAP7BQTesPRwoK+ubvFxLg36tq634FdFAlue 5sMZO1D2yBfHEHsHyfpR7RBB2DrP8vqTjrcZjz9ctxg7ph5/sqYUWf37xkKbyLu2 byJMWfZhZDXIwDyhWU3RmJOUL+loisDzP7uNZtjoodJLro/QceSR4sqdgWa4xl59 eiPapVoaXdU= =1+fS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------------- "Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." P. J. O'Rourke (b. 1947), U.S. journalist. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> http://www.shellback.com/personal/merriman/index.htm

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Re: ITAR double standards?
by rkmoore＠iol.ie 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

3/26/96, Timothy C. May wrote: >So, did Intel have to apply to the State Department's office on munitions >exports in order to send engineers to Malaysia, Israel, Germany, Ireland, >etc., to do development work? Not that I ever heard. Engineers simply >hopped on planes and that was that. So true. When I worked in Silicon Valley firms, I noticed how International Air Courier services were used entirely like Interdepartmental Mail, with no concern for export laws or import duties, etc. If we travelled overseas, _of course_ we took our laptop with all it's software (including encryption), and _of course_ we'd leave software copies on colleagues hard disks, after doing demos and such. All with a sense of total righteousness -- we were tax-paying wage-earners just doing our job. There's a real irony here, if you think about the Barlow-expressed sentiment that cyberspace is a new free domain, having achieved escape velocity from terrestial anachronisms. While Barlow's critics, it seems, demolished _that_ thesis as wishful thinking, there's a parallel thesis that may actually be true: that _corporate environments_ have achieved escape velocity from civil jurisdiction, and now live in a world where rules & ethics are relative only to corporate culture, and "parochial" national laws are to be quietly ignored, knowing there's a highly-paid legal staff to deal with occasional embarrasments. We dream and they implement. Cheers, Richard rkmoore(a)iol.ie (not on cypherpunks) ~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~--~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~ Posted by Richard K. Moore - rkmoore(a)iol.ie - Wexford, Ireland Cyberlib: www | ftp --> ftp://ftp.iol.ie/users/rkmoore/cyberlib ~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~--~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~

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Re: Bad news from Judge Richey
by anonymous-remailer＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:33 PM 3/25/96 tcmay wrote: ------------------- jim bell: >talk to Jim Bell about implementing a program using encryption that doesn't >_need_ to be exported...legally anyway. tcmay: You're coming perilously close to actually calling for the killing of a federal judge. My recollection is that a couple of folks have been arrested and charged for calling for the killing of judges. ------------------- Any half-wit falling for Bell's agent provocateur setup will do hard time, or maybe get popped by his twitchy TLA watchers. The son-of-a-bitch's baiting with pigeons, no question. He's too myopic to see he's setting up falcons for gutting by high-circling eagles, who'll claw him too. Bell's going down blind-sided with his gulls, all easy prey.

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Re: Why Americans feel no compulsion to learn foreign languages
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:17 PM 3/27/96, Michael Helm wrote: >On Mar 27, 3:13am, Timothy C. May wrote: >> Americans are typically thousands of miles away from those speaking >> Japanese, Mandarin, Tagalog, Polish, Italian, Dutch, Spanish, Hindi, >> Talegu, and the hundreds of other languages. It is not at all clear what >> language Americans should pick as a "second language" to study. > >I don't really disagree with the conclusions drawn by this poster, or >with the quasi-economics argument he makes. However, I must say that >the above is completely wrong. MOST Americans live in large urban >areas, & as such are within seconds/footsteps of people whose native >languages are not English (or who don't have a single "native language", >but several!). There are probably _hundreds_ of languages spoken in the >San Francisco Bay Area. The school districts here routinely report double >digit languages in the school age population. And? Your point being? "All learning is economics," to paraphrase our noted saying about security. Because there are diverse groups within 100 miles away speaking a babel of languages, including a per cent or so each of Thai, Talegu, Mandarin, Vietnamese, and so on, do I understand your point that I should pick one of these languages and spend a year or so learning it well enough to say to one of these groups, "Hello, can you tell me which way to the train station?" My point is not against the learning of a foreign language, just that economic considerations _must_ play a role. (Of course, people are free to ignore economics and "follow their bliss." A friend of mine studied Sanskrit for several years, and I even spent some time studying some Old Icelandic a few decades ago.) My European friends usually study the language of their direct neighbors and important trading/scientific partners. English, German, French, typically. >There are 3 Spanish language channels (& another 2 ... "multiple >choice") on my tv cable system. That anglophones choose to tune them >out, or to not even notice the Noah's ark around them, says something >about this culture. "Says something about this culture." Insults aside, you are right. I will sign up with the local JC for a study of Vietnamese, just so I won't be ignoring this cornucopia of polyglotism. (One person communicated with me in private about this, saying that the international nature of the Internet is an ironic counterpoint to my point. So I promised this guy I would learn Hindi and Polish to better be able to use the Internet. Of course, this'll take me a few years, and then I'll no doubt find that I don't have any interest in talking to the people on the Net who speak in Hindi or Polish, but, what the hell, I will have reduced my "anglophone chauvinism quotient.") --Tim Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Tim's friend's mildly retarded son
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"tcmay(a)got.net" 22-MAR-1996 00:47:25.47 >At 11:17 PM 3/21/96, E. ALLEN SMITH wrote: >> This topic's relevance to Cypherpunks, aside from the confirmations >>that you mentioned, is low... aside from that it's of interest to Extropians >>such as myself and Tim May. >In recent months, a self-appointed group of list members have taken upon >themselves to argue that _anything_ that does not have to do with certain >topics they find appropriate is "not related to crypto, so take it >elsewhere." Regrettably, most reasonable people have grown quiet about >anything that smacks of politics or ideology, leaving the field clear for >certain ranting lunatics. Umm... I was referring to the discussion in regards to whether "smart drugs" work or not, not the discussion on the FDA. Sorry if I wasn't clear. Admittedly, some of my comments with regards to the FDA's ultraconservative/better-safe-than-sorry (depending on whose side you take) policy can be extended to an analysis of the NSA's behavior - putting the brakes on cryptography even after it becomes useless to do so, and after it becomes _necessary_ for America's future (commerce et al). -Allen

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[NOISE] Employers need pseudonymous off-shore remailers
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Today, I tried to find out what it takes to hire someone who is in the US on a student visa (F-1) as a consultant or part-time employee. The person is an expert in his field. I don't know anyone available with a similar proven track record. I thought, no problem, there are INS exceptions for foreign experts. So I set on a quest to find out what it takes to get the INS to grant that person a work permit. The process is simple. All I have to do is ask the California Employment Development Department for a labor certificate, give that to the INS together with an application and the required fees, after which they'll issue the permit. Getting the certificate takes usually eight months, processing the application about four months. So the whole process takes about *a year*. I was stunned. Here I am willing to hire someone to work on a product that will generate taxes in the US, and the bureaucrats are asking me to wait a year. These people have lost any touch with reality. Not that *I* would do such a thing, but an off-shore pseudonymous remailer, with payment in ecash might go a long way... [Disclaimer: Speaking only for myself, not for my employer] -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred.

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Why NSA is afraid that ITARs will be thrown out in court
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:45 AM 3/26/96, jamesd(a)echeque.com wrote: >At 12:23 PM 3/25/96 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote: >> Besides, I think the best way to overturn the >> ITARs is through a court challenge; as I have noted, even the NSA's lawyers >> felt that the ITARs would not withstand court scrutiny. > >Note that the spooks have carefully avoided a full bore court >showdown. They harassed Phil until the statute of limitations >caught up with them, but never brought it to trial. If we had >no further legislation, and the courts broke ITAR, we would >be home free. No plausible legislation could give us that. Someone said he had missed my reference to this, and wanted to know more. So, I'll also pass it on here again. In the summer of 1994 I got a call from Carl Nicolai, the inventor of the "PhasorPhone," an audio-scrambling phone that was suppressed with a Patent Secrecy Order (ordered by the NSA). This was around 1980-81, and is covered in Bamford. He told me a bunch of things, including this: Carl and his lawyer got access to papers inside the NSA building, though they could not make copies. They found memos from NSA staffers saying that the ITARs had never been tested in court and would not likely survive a full Constitutional test and that it would thus be best if court cases were avoided. I passed this information along (if memory serves) to Lee Tien, representing Gilmore in various cases, and to Phil Karn. (One of them, I don't recall which, posted a message a while later saying that such documents had been found....I don't recall the details, but this was probably around fall of 1994.) Whether this NSA paranoia has anything to do with the final decision on the Zimmermann et. al. matter is unclear, but it is likely that a very strong challenge to the ITARs--maybe the appeal by Phil Karn is such a challenge, maybe the Bernstein case--will result in big chunks of the ITARs being thrown out. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Edited Edupage, 24 March 1996
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"educom(a)elanor.oit.unc.edu" 26-MAR-1996 19:24:26.78 To: IN%"edupage(a)elanor.oit.unc.edu" "EDUCOM Edupage Mailing List" CC: Subj: Edupage, 24 March 1996 ***************************************************************** Edupage, 24 March 1996. Edupage, a summary of news items on information technology, is provided three times each week as a service by Educom, a Washington, D.C.-based consortium of leading colleges and universities seeking to transform education through the use of information technology. ***************************************************************** >ONLINE TRADING >Lombard International Brokerage in San Francisco and Pawws Financial Network >in New Jersey are two brokerage houses that have opened Internet trading >services, allowing customers to monitor their portfolios and retrieve >corporate and financial information from brokerage databases or through >links to other Web sites. "You're seeing the culmination of the information >brokerage -- with customer service, advanced analytical tools, and news >available at one place and one time on the most incredibly productive medium >that ever existed, the Internet," says Lombard's CEO. By incorporating a >Java applet into their Web design, Lombard's Web site refreshes its >information every 30 seconds so that intra-day trading charts are >automatically updated. The Pawws trading system, a tailored version of the >Security APL cash-management system, is used by several other investment >houses to display their wares. "Why should we spend time and money to tell >people how to get a modem to work? We provide brokerage -- not technical -- >services," says one user. (Information Week 11 Mar 96 p64) And discount >broker Charles Schwab & Co. will begin this May to allow its customers to >trade listed and over-the-counter stocks, get real-time quotes, and access >account information using the Schwab site on the World Wide Web. (Atlanta >Journal-Constitution 22 Mar 96 F3) They're using _Java_ to do this? >PORN IS A GOLD MINE FOR IDT >Tiny IDT Corp. has found a way to differentiate itself from the >run-of-the-mill Internet access provider. It pitches its service to porn >aficionados, with ads like: "With IDT, I access *all* Internet services. I >said *all* Internet services -- get that smirk off your face." In fact, its >service and pricing are similar to everyone else's, but its subscriber base >has grown six-fold to 65,000 in the past six months using this approach. >"IDT is looking for a marketing niche, and given how we think the primary >Internet audience is -- lonely 20-something and 30-something males -- why >not aim that niche at them?" says Gary Arlen, an Internet consultant. (Wall >Street Journal 22 Mar 96 B4) An interesting way to differentiate oneself. I would suggest that anonymnity (i.e., C2) would be a logical add-on. >NETSCAPE TO GET IN ON THE PHONE-BY-INTERNET ACTION >Netscape co-founder Mark Andreessen says that within six months the company >will build into its Navigator program voice software (which it calls Insoft) >for making low-cost long distance calls via the Internet into its Navigator >program and that long-distance phone companies increasingly won't be able to >justify their rates for telephone service. (Sydney Morning Herald 13 Mar 96 >via Individual Inc.) Any possibility that Netscape might build in some form of cryptography? I realize ITAR rules would make this problematic, but perhaps some sort of out-of-country deal for putting in the hooks for PGPhone could be done. -Allen >Edupage is written by John Gehl (gehl(a)educom.edu) & Suzanne Douglas >(douglas(a)educom.edu) Voice: 404-371-1853, Fax: 404-371-8057. >Technical support is provided by the Office of Information Technology, >University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. >*************************************************************** >EDUPAGE is what you've just finished reading. To subscribe to Edupage: send >a message to: listproc(a)educom.unc.edu and in the body of the message type: >subscribe edupage Graham Greene (assuming that your name is Graham Greene; >if it's not, substitute your own name). ... To cancel, send a message to: >listproc(a)educom.unc.edu and in the body of the message type: unsubscribe >edupage. (Subscription problems? Send mail to educom(a)educom.unc.edu.)

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