December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Theory Behind USA v. Microsoft (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:13:28 -0800 > From: Bill Stewart <bill.stewart(a)pobox.com> > Subject: Re: Theory Behind USA v. Microsoft > The total amount of actual capital was pretty small - about > 5000-6000 cars at $1000 each, back when that was still real money, Half a million plus dollars is real money now too. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: rant on the morality of confidentiality
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: >Not just the scientific community... everyone. If an art critic declines >to publish something, its a loss probably only to his fellow art critics, >but if a mathematician or a biologist or a physicist doesn't publish, it's >a loss for more than just his colleagues. ......................................................................... There is a sense of loss of valuable information, once you know that it existed before you knew about it. Of course, there are a million and one things that we don't know today that we wish we knew, and which could help everyone who has the need for that special knowledge. 1) But it is also true that the Truth (the facts of nature and principles on what is possible - in mathematics, or any scientific pursuit) does not "go away" simply because one person's discovery is not conveyed to everyone. It remains true and in existence, waiting for anyone else to do the work of discovery, or for mankind itself to evolve into the kind of creature whose mind can grasp the principles involved. It is a loss not to know the achievements of a great scientist's work, but the facts themselves are not lost, they remain available for anyone who can think as well, to find them. 2) Scientists and other very original, competent people like to think they can do as well as any one else, and I imagine sometimes they consider insulting the proposition that they must depend upon the work of another in order to achieve understanding; that without it they would be unable to do as well. Isn't this one of the reasons for some of the conflicts between scientists over originality, and the jealousy over recognition? I went to an exhibit yesterday of Leonardo da Vinci, where I saw the 400 year old Codex Leicester. He was "a keen observer" of Nature, and from his detailed studies he learned much which provided his inventive mind with much material for creative works. The exhibit brings to mind not only his work, but the methods of such a great mind in reaching those heights and breadths. So in relation to this debate on the morality of not sharing: would it not be as good a thing to look toward method - to value and promote the ability to know how to think, how to observe properly, how to understand what is before oneself - than merely to consider ourselves dependent upon the _result_ of the work of certain others, bewailing their insensitivity when they fail to share with us what they obtained for themselves? Because this does go in the direction of thinking in terms of "obligation", which is rather unappreciative of their unique & separate identity. .. Blanc

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Re: rant on the morality of confidentiality (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:17:40 -0800 > From: Blanc <blancw(a)cnw.com> > Subject: Re: rant on the morality of confidentiality > I went to an exhibit yesterday of Leonardo da Vinci, where I saw the 400 > year old Codex Leicester. He was "a keen observer" of Nature, and from > his detailed studies he learned much which provided his inventive mind with > much material for creative works. The exhibit brings to mind not only his > work, but the methods of such a great mind in reaching those heights and > breadths. Which one was it? I had the privilege of working on the IBM Leonardo exhibit when it was in Austin at Discovery Hall about 10 years ago. Part of my duties was to repair two of his models (the 'turtle' tank & his composite ship hull design) and got a real appreciation of his skills. There was a show on one of the cable science shows about Leonardo week before last. You might want to review your schedule and catch it. I found it quite entertaining and educational. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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openworld, inc.
by Ryan Lackey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Has anyone looked at these people? They seem to be selling turnkey systems for offshore digital commerce, among other things, which I believe is fundamentally interesting. However, they seem like they're involved in several traditional weird Government-affiliated international business startup/consulting group/etc. projects, like educational resources, and from what I remember of a Tim May response to them, they seemed to believe money laundering/thoughtcrime/etc. was morally reprehensible and the duty of technical people to prevent (I may be wrong, he may be wrong, they may be wrong...) [ObNonCrypto: I picked the 3-pin Medeco lock on the front of my IBM RS/6000 320 today. I was just kind of sitting here with my new picks and wrench and was bored and poking around, and I got it to go from Secure to Normal. Luckily the lock turns both ways, since I was picking it backwards :( I've been thinking about and off and on trying to pick it for several months now -- it's a pretty impressive lock for the case on a workstation. 3-pin Medecos are a pale comparison to the real ones, though. Guess what locks I will specify from now on...] -- Ryan Lackey rdl(a)mit.edu http://mit.edu/rdl/

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by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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More on the DES II contest.
by Trei Family 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Douglas F. Elznic and Lucky Green have both written saying that www.distributed.net will not be devoting their full effort to the DES II challenge. This is incorrect. www.distributed.net is a highly centralized effort, in which clients are almost completely controlled by the central site, with which they are in frequent communication. Over the past few weeks, the clients have been upgraded to a version containing dual search cores - they can search either rc5-64 or an arbitrary DES key. On the morning of the 13th, as soon as the DES II challenge data becomes available, their servers will stop issuing rc5-64 blocks and start issuing DES II blocks. The clients will all switch over to the DES II contest without any action by the owners of the client machines. I too would like to see a serious effort made at a 512 bit RSA key. However, the infrastructure for this is quite a bit more complex than a simple bruteforce against a symmetric key, and the organizers of d.n don't seem to be ready for it. My greatest fear with DES II is that if d.n finds the key early in the search, they may decide to sit on it until just before the 540 hour deadline. If they are the only group with a credible chance of finding the key (as far as I know, this is the case), then their payback is maximized by by this tactic, since the time limits for the June contest are determined by the speed with which the key is found in January. My personal impression is that d.n seems more motivated by the money, which they want to further their research on distributed computing, than they are by ideology. The above represent my personal, private views, and should neccesarily be attributed to my employer. Peter Trei trei(a)ziplink.net ptrei(a)hotmail.com (more reliable next week)

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Re: rant on the morality of confidentiality (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: rant on the morality of confidentiality (fwd) > From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) > Date: Sun, 11 Jan 98 10:08:56 EST > David, you need to learn to read. > > "Art critic" != art, just like "lit crit" != literature. And you need to pay more attention as well. Being an art critic does not exclude the art in the act of critical review. The expression of emotional and intellectual consequence of the piece under review requires a creative act just as valid as the creation of the piece under review. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: rant on the morality of confidentiality (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: rant on the morality of confidentiality (fwd) > From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) > Date: Sun, 11 Jan 98 09:51:22 EST > You don't seem to realize that the likelyhood of someone independently > rediscovering a "lost" math result is much less than the likelyhood of > two people independently creating substantially similar works of art. Malarky, the history of science (and of human civilizations) is replete with example after example of idividuals discovering the same basic theme and its proof. Just the three examples we have been using (Newton, Gauss, Fermat) are filled with comments about contemporaries discovering the same result. Review Darwin for a moment, he chose to share the fame for evolutionary theory with Wallace because he had reached the same conclusion. Had either Darwin or Wallace not chose to publish the result would still have been found and shared. > For example, all of T.S.Elliot's poetry is substantially similar to > Walt Whitman's poetry. They are, for most intents and purposes, mutually > interchangeable. (Emily "lick my bud" Dickinson is almost interchangeable.) Only in the context that they are both poets who write poetry. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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