December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by anon-remailer＠utopia.hacktic.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: (fwd) Russians Break RSA? (fwd)
by Lindsay Haisley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Would someone be kind enough to forward me the original article on this? "Thus spake Jim Choate" > > This is true. I read about it in The Spotlight. Or was it libernet? > > -rich > Visit Propaganda on the Barbie! > http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~llurch/potw2/ > -- Lindsay Haisley | "Everything works | PGP public key FMP Computer Services | if you let it" | available via fmouse(a)fmp.com | (The Roadie) | Internet finger http://www.fmp.com | |

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Re: Cypherpunks investigated, FOIA?
by rodger＠interramp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If it's been done, it won't likely make any difference. Information that would affirm or refute the existence of an investigation by law enforcement is exempt from FOIA. Will Rodger Interactive Week <---- Begin Included Message ----> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 00:26:29 -0500 (EST) From: "Declan B. McCullagh" <declan+(a)CMU.EDU> To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Cypherpunks investigated, FOIA? Cc: sgs(a)well.com >From sgs(a)well.com: Have the cypherpunks requested data on whether they are being investigated by the same agencies under the FOIA individually or as a group listed by that name? If so, what are the results, if any, so far? Does anyone know if this has been done? The FOIA, that is. -Declan <---- End Included Message ---->

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Re: What backs up digital money?
by Hal 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: "FRank O. Trotter, III" <fotiii(a)crl.com> > Ecash is a means of transferring value, currently USD at Mark Twain, > betweeen parties. Ecash, however denominated, is not a currency in > itself. I am curious to know why you say that ecash is not a currency. One of the main points of my original posting was to challenge this view. Do you simply mean that this is a matter of definitions, that ecash isn't a currency because it lacks some property X that, by definition, a currency must have (such as, it must be issued by a national government)? Or are you saying that there is an important functional difference, that ecash cannot be used as we normally use currency (that is, the dollar bills and coins in our pockets) because of reason X? If so I would like to hear what you think that reason is. The one I have seen mentioned previously is transferrability, so I discussed this in my original message. > The value unit or currency has value because people agree it has > value. CyberBucks were (and still are) somewhat convertable to > tangible goods - they are for sure convertable to intrinsic goods as > demonstrated by the CyberBucks trial. USD and DEM have value only > because we all accept them as payment - as fiat currencies there is no > formal backing. Gold has value because ... The whole issue of why dollars have value is one which is poorly understood, IMO. There are several reasons, which are inter-related. One of the big ones is that they are legal tender. This term does not mean what a lot of people think it does, but at least it means that your dollars carry certain legal weight if you have a debt that you need to pay off. Another reason dollars are accepted is because you know you can pay your taxes with them. This is something that most people have to do, and dollars are something they can do it with. Another factor is that there are long term contracts, such as mortgages, which are denominated in dollars. You can use your dollars to pay off your debt at the bank, and the bank is contractually bound to accept them (even apart from legal tender considerations), and grant you title to tangible property in return. Interestingly, the volume of outstanding mortgages is of the same order of magnitude as the circulating money supply. I know someone who claims that this is the most important factor in giving dollars value. And finally, the reason that most people think of, the fact that everyone around them accepts dollars, and presumably will do so in the future. I don't actually think this is as strong as the others, since there is no guarantee that people won't change their minds, and in fact there have been historical situations where due to hyper inflation merchants have come to view government money as almost worthless. So since these people haven't committed to accept the money, this grounding is not that strong. I think the earlier examples are more important as an ultimate grounding, although they are not cited as frequently. > Ecash puts banks back into the business of being banks - acting as a > storehouse of value, and as a means to transfer this value, all for a > fee. The early bank models were exclusively along these lines, with > the various lending and investing functions added later. I would expect that an ecash issuing bank would make ecash loans just as it makes other forms of loans. So I don't see ecash as making this kind of difference in a bank. Just because a bank issues ecash it's not going to roll back the clock to the 18th century. One of the big advantages of multiple ecash currencies is that it turns out that there is automatic control of inflation. A bank which issues too much currency (relative to its reserves) will find it becoming worth less because it is trusted less. There is an automatic balancing act. We see the same thing in the international currency markets with government currencies. In the olden days, when international trade was less important, a government could inflate without feeling much pain. But today its currency will lose value, which will hurt its balance of trade and make it hard to acquire foreign goods. So this puts a brake on the ability of governments to play games with the money supply. The same factor would be expected to occur with private currencies. Hal

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E-News!
by CINDYV＠sierra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sierra On-Line E-News Issue 1.1, April 1996 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Welcome to the first ever Sierra On-Line electronic newsletter! It's informative, it's free, and it doesn't kill any trees. In each issue, you'll find information on new releases, behind-the-scenes peeks at products in development, great bargains you won't be find anywhere else, and possibly even a hint or two. Look for the following departments (and make sure to check the end of this newsletter for a chance to win five free Sierra games!): *Headlines (news so hot, we had to mention it first) *Games (there's always an adventure in store at Sierra) *Home Productivity (great stuff for the home system) *Kidstuff (products even a mother will love) *The Virtual Store (hot deals and bargain prices) *Web News (what's new with Sierra's website) *Technical Support (don't blow up that computer!) You're getting this newsletter because you clicked one of the "yes, I'd like more information" boxes when you registered on our website. Assuming that we aren't kidnapped by Martians (always a danger), you'll find one of these virtual newsletters in your mailbox about once a month. If you'd like to unsubscribe for whatever reason (too much mail already, allergic to newsletter electrons, gave up computer games so you'd have more time for macrame), all you need to do is mail us at UNSUBSCRIBE(a)SIERRA.COM, with your e-mail address as the Subject: line. If you later regret the decision and would like to re-subscribe, just send a note to SUBSCRIBE(a)SIERRA.COM. And now, with the administrative stuff out of the way, let's go on to the interesting bits: HEADLINES ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ New Member of the Sierra Family ---------------------------------------- The big news here is Sierra's acquisition of Papyrus, maker of the top-selling Indy Car and NASCAR racing simulations. And with games as incredible as those, who wouldn't want to buy the company? Well, apparently the Software Publishers Association shares our opinion, since Indy Car II just won no less than two Codie awards, one for Best Sports Software and the other for Best Simulation Software Program. If you haven't seen Indy Car II, you may want to check it out. After all, if your last name's not Unser or Andretti, this may be your only chance to win! http://www.sierra.com/sierra/papy/home.htm GAMES ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Everybody Wants To Rule The World ------------------------------------------- Have you ever had one of those days when you're sitting at your desk, looking at everybody else's emergencies spilling out of your in-box, and think to yourself, "You know, if I were king of all these idiots, I'd feed `em to the crocodiles"? Well, your chance at imperialist expansion is on the way. We've just put the finishing touches on The Rise and Rule of Ancient Empires. Imagine the opportunity not only to carve your own empire out of untamed wilderness (or out of the ruins of your enemies' cities), but also to stomp your friends and co-workers along the way! Rise and Rule has everything going for it: full modem and network support, a wide range of cultures to choose from, a great CD-audio soundtrack, lots of fully-rendered cut-scenes, even different architectural graphics depending on which culture you're playing. If you liked Caesar II, then this game is the next step forward. Our Technical Support department has been playing a lot of it after-hours, and I think i! ! t's safe to say that we're hooked. Bottom line: this is definitely THE game for anyone with a taste for global conquest. http://www.sierra.com/games/riserule News From The Officers' Club ---------------------------------- If it's contemporary warfare that you're after, then you'll definitely want to check out Silent Thunder: A-10 Tank Killer 2. This is one kicking, white-knuckled, joystick-killing ride. Even the critics are raving: PC Gamer says that Silent Thunder has "the best terrain graphics ever seen in a flight sim" and Strategy Plus says that it includes "incredible terrain graphics and all the best features of the original A-10 game, pushed to current cutting edge levels." My cousin says that it's an absolute nuisance, since now he can't get his wife off the computer. If you're a fan of the original A-10 Tank Killer, or of combat flight simulations in general, you'll find a lot to like in this game. And, since it is just a game, the best part is that even if you crash into the ground in a ball of flames and twisted metal, the worst thing that might actually happen is that you'll spill your drink into the keyboard when smashing both fists into the computer table. http://www.sierra.com/games/sttank Surface To Air ---------------- If you prefer futuristic combat, then perhaps you're ready to fight that final desperate battle against Cybrid world domination. In the newly-released EarthSiege 2, that war will turn about as vicious as a mother rhino protecting her young. All-new HERCs with all-new weaponry maximize the possibility for destructive fun. And if you ever found yourself playing the original EarthSiege and saying, "You know, I could take that bad boy out in three seconds if this thing could only FLY," you're in luck; one of the new HERCs is an airborne combat monster. So sign on for another tour of duty, and this time we'll promise you the dream of every HERC pilot ... bigger guns. http://www.sierra.com/games/es2 Desktop Athletes Battle It Out Online -------------------------------------------- On the interactive end of things, the results are in from the first-ever "Sierra Bowl". If you're not a CompuServe or America Online user, you may have missed out on hearing about this, but it was an absolute blast! The champion of AOL's Front Page Sports: Football Pro league faced off against CompuServe's champion in a winner-take-all game held just before the real Super Bowl. We ran the game right here at Sierra on a copy of FPS: Football Pro `96, and simul-cast all the action live on both AOL and CompuServe. (Hey, none of us had tickets to the real Super Bowl, so we had to make our own!) The winner was CompuServe's Chris Muller (representing Dallas), who took home a plethora of nifty prizes including a color TV, 10 hours of free online time on both AOL and Compuserve, a Barry Sanders autographed football, a Football Pro Design Team T-shirt, and, of course, the coveted Sierra Bowl trophy. http://www.sierra.com/sierra/online/ossb/ossb.htm KIDSTUFF ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Kudos For "Lost Mind Of Dr. Brain" ------------------------------------------- Bragging time: one of my favorite Sierra programs just won the Software Publishers Association's Codie award for Best Home Learning Program for Adolescents. And if you think that The Lost Mind Of Dr. Brain is only for kids, then you're in for a surprise the first time you find yourself trying desperately to get past the Synaptic Cleft puzzle just ONE LAST TIME ... at three in the morning. I speak from experience. Don't say I didn't warn you. http://www.sierra.com/games/drbrain "Playtoons" `Toons In -------------------------- If you've got kids, then you're probably very familiar with Saturday morning cartoons. Kids and `toons go together like peanut butter and jelly (or, in my cousin's house, peanut butter and waffles ... bleah). Now you can give your kids the tools to create their very own cartoons on your home PC or Mac. Sierra's new Playtoons series gives kids a chance to write, direct, edit, record, and play a nearly limitless set of animated sequences in a variety of absurd and fun situations. Educators would say that it "promotes creative thinking." This is true, but personally what I would say is that it keeps them off the TV so you can watch reruns of "The Dukes of Hazzard". (Two great reasons to pick up a copy!) Look for no less than four new Playtoons titles in the near future. WEB NEWS ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ If it's been a while since the last time you logged onto our website, there's a few good reasons to go take another look. One I think you'll particularly like is our new Chat area. (Right now, this area is open to Netscape 2.0 users only, but we're working on it!) We'll be using the Chat forum to host regular conferences with game designers and developers. To start it off, we hosted a discussion on Friday, March 15th, with the designers of the upcoming Front Page Sports: Baseball `96. And to celebrate the fact that we signed last season's Cy Young award winner Randy Johnson to help us out with this new game, we even gave away free Sierra products during the chat session. Sound cool? Then be there for the next one! http://www.sierra.com/bin/club/chat/sierrachat THE VIRTUAL STORE ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Never got around to dogfighting those German aces? Somehow neglected to find time to build that worldwide automobile manufacturing empire? Spent the last two years sitting on your butt instead of getting out there and saving the environment? GREAT! It's always nice to meet a fellow procrastinator, so we'd like to reward your tardiness with fabulous prices on the games you missed out on. We call them the SierraOriginals, and we're selling them for dirt-cheap. $14.95 will get you any of these titles on CD-ROM: Red Baron (plus a free copy of A-10 Tank Killer), Detroit, EcoQuest: The Search for Cetus, The Even More Incredible Machine, Quest for Glory IV, King's Quest VI, Leisure Suit Larry in the Land of the Lounge Lizards (and this isn't the old type-`til-you-bleed version either, but the updated point-and-click interface), Gobliiins, Gobliins 2 (yes, the preceding two titles do indeed contain the correct number of "i"s), my personal favorite (for sheer mayhem value), The! ! Incredible Toon Machine, or just a mess of other titles. You can find them in your local software store, or order them directly from our website's online store or from the legion of telephone customer service representatives at 1-800-SIERRA5. Then you can tell that third-grade teacher who used to lecture you about punctuality that you paid about thirty bucks less per game than she did. http://www.sierra.com/games/originals/index.html ONE MORE THING ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ If you're anything like me, the one thing better than dirt-cheap games is free games, so I'll throw a few of those in here as well. I just so happen to have a big batch of SierraOriginals titles sitting at my desk (got them through the departmental budget by calling them "research materials") and I'm holding a contest to give `em away. And since I hate random drawings (since they involve no thought) and essay contests (since I'd have to read all your entries, and I do have somewhere I need to go this year), we're going to do this a little bit differently. One of the SierraOriginals is "Leisure Suit Larry in the Land of the Lounge Lizards." There are a lot of letters in that game title, and if they were in a different order, it stands to reason that they'd make other words and sentences. What I'm looking for is the most creative sentence which can be made from the letters in the game title. You don't have to use all of the letters, but each letter can only be used once (t! ! here's only one "g" in the title, so there'd better only be one "g" in the sentence). You may use as much punctuation as you need. Send your sentences to PRIZE(a)SIERRA.COM. Whichever entry I think is the coolest (that's right, just me, no panel of impartial judges, sorry) wins your choice of any FIVE SierraOriginals games. That should keep you busy for a while. And that's about everything I can fit into one issue. Fun info next month on Betrayal In Antara and the Mac version of Space Quest 6, so stay tuned, and happy gaming! ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Visit the Sierra On-Line website at: http://www.sierra.com To unsubscribe from this newsletter: UNSUBSCRIBE(a)SIERRA.COM Please remember to put your e-mail address all by itself in the Subject: line when you try to unsubscribe, or (guess what?) it won't work. Comments? Suggestions? Family recipes for lasagna? Great! Just send them to CindyV, at the following address: CINDYV(a)SIERRA.COM If the volume of mail is staggering, it may take me a day or two to reply, but I will answer each and every e-mail, because your comments are important to us (and also because I'm a certified e-mail junkie, just one step away from E-Mailers' Anonymous).

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Re: (fwd) Russians Break RSA?
by stillson＠ashd.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

at Kryptogorodok, the secret city of Soviet cryptographers >hidden in the Urals (and first visited by an outsider, Stephen >Wolfram, only a couple of years ago). > Nice touch. I worked at Wolfram Research a few years ago, and wolfram actually was in Russia for a tour. Chris ############################################ Chris Stillson Chief Rocket Scientist Resident Web Geek Hip Young Nerd Second Rate graphic designer Unix Guru In other words, Webmaster American Software & Hardware Distributors fluffy(a)ashd.com Check out our web site-> http://www.ashd.com Cause I did it all.... stop the CDA. Check http://www.eff.org ############################################

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by anon-remailer＠utopia.hacktic.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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software with "hooks" for crypto
by me＠muddcs.cs.hmc.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello all, I'm trying to figure out exactly what the laws are regarding the export of software which contains "hooks" for PGP. In various forms, I've heard that it's not the ITAR which prevents this, but more a "suggestion" by the NSA that we "shouldn't do it." Does anyone have any pointers to real legislation/laws regarding this? Also, since we all know that our gov't thinks it perfectly legal to export source code in hardcopy form (albeit with a license, right?) I was wondering... I've written a Unix e-mail client which contains support for PGP/MIME and also a front end for mixmaster. Right now I basically reap all the "bad" code before I distribute it (at _least_ 50% of my testers are outside the US). However, this has been annoying for those users because they want to be able to use the PGP support (so do I!). So, what I'm wondering is what the laws are regarding snail-mailing source code to these people. The actually pgp/remailer stuff isn't more than a few pages of code, which could easily be transcribed or scanned in with OCR software. Would I have to get a "license for export" in order to send the code outside the US? It's worth the $1.00 it would cost to do this if it really is legal... me -- Michael Elkins <me(a)cs.hmc.edu> http://www.cs.hmc.edu/~me PGP key fingerprint = EB B1 68 32 3F B5 54 F9 6C AF 4E 94 5A EB 90 EC

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(fwd fyi) SecureNet to allow classified data on the I'net??
by foodie＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 17:11:21 -0800 From: jwarren(a)well.com (Jim Warren) Subject: (fwd fyi) SecureNet to allow classified data on the I'net?? For whatever it's worth -- from an unknown source inside a govt lab, forwwarded to me by an outside friend. Distribute freely, as far as I'm concerned. --jim Jim Warren, GovAccess list-owner/editor (jwarren(a)well.com) Advocate & columnist, MicroTimes, Government Technology, etc. A "Superlab" linking the computational resources of four national laboratories has come a big step toward becoming a reality with the opening of SecureNet -- a network for transmitting secret and classified data over the Internet. Bing Young, who led the Lab's part in the project, says the new network is still only a "dirt road" able to transmit data at 1.5 megabits/second. However, he says new encryption technologies will bring the network up to information superhighway speeds over the next year. Young will discuss SecureNet in a presentation at 10 a.m., Wednesday, April 3, in Bldg. 113, room 1104. Green-badge employees only. The Department of Energy gave approval in March for the network developed by the Lab, Los Alamos and the two Sandia laboratories to improve scientific collaboration in Stockpile Stewardship programs. --- end forwarded text

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Re: J Bell's Moniker (WAS: Re: NYT on CFP)
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:06 PM 4/2/96 -0500, Mark Aldrich wrote: >On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, jim bell wrote: >> Damn! They keep leaving me out of their short list! Maybe they meant to >> lump me in with the groups they mentioned. I'm an American, so I can't be a >> "foreign spy," and my supply of child pornography is at a constant zero >> level. I'd sure hate to be lumped into an ignominious position with the >> "other criminals," however: What an unimpressive title! >> >> Maybe I'll just have to settle for being called a terrorist. Harrumph! > >OK, Jim, I'll take the bait: > >What, per chance, _DO_ you want to be called? What I was trying to suggest, in a suitably humorous way, is the fact that the government really isn't concerned about these "bad guys," and in fact is (or, ought to be) more worried about technological developments that will (and should!) make governing populations increasingly difficult. It doesn't want to admit this, but that's still the truth. I'm sure they have advisors who are telling them what is going to occur, and if they're at all on the ball they're desperately working to try to figure out if these eventualities can be prevented. I don't think they'll be successful, but it is still possible to identify many of their efforts such as the Clipper I and Clipper II proposals, both of which were abject failures, and the Digital Telephony bill, which despite the fact it passed has not been funded, and others. I view the Leahy bill as a somewhat more "realistic" proposal in this series, in the sense that they got a bit smarter about their proposals, putting some tasty bait in the trap. It's still a trap. I was also trying to point out that when the government views just about all its enemies as "foreign spies, child pornographers, other criminals and terrorists," its task is to fit all the people who are REALLY dangerous to it into one of these pre-defined molds. I am reminded of the saying, "When the only tool you have is a hammer, you begin to treat all problems as if they are nails." So I wonder what kind of "nail" I'm going to be. One last thing: I don't really know what I'd like to be called, but maybe "the last revolutionary" is appropriately melodramatic. Because what I'm promoting will be, literally, the LAST revolution society will ever need. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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