December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: So, what crypto legislation (if any) is necessary?
by shabbir＠vtw.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lucky Green writes: >At 2:08 3/26/96, Shabbir J. Safdar wrote: > >It is a widespread myth that wiretaps require warrants. Court ordered >warrants are not required for a wiretap. They have not been required since >the Digital Telephony Bill passed. (see below) >That the net, the media, and even >attorneys are so blissfully unaware of this, even years after the provision >doing away with requiring warrants became law, is one of the finest >examples of cognitive dissonance you are ever likely to find. It is too >disturbing to believe it, so the mind ignores the facts. When everyone in the world seems to disagree with you, isn't it a good idea to check the facts? >Excerpt from the Digital Telephony Bill (deleted) [..] >"My supervisor approved it" may well suffice. Your misunderstanding of how interceptions are done is dangerous to what is otherwise a rational, intelligent argument. Indeed, there are ways to conduct a wiretap without a judge. They require dispensations from people like the Attorney General, for example. And this is certainly not a normal practice. There are a lot of reasons to object to DT, but this is not one of them. -Shabbir J. Safdar * Online Representative * Voters Telecomm. Watch (VTW) http://www.vtw.org/ * Defending Your Rights In Cyberspace

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Re: Let's *NOT* "Raise their Awareness"
by David K. Merriman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 12:23 AM 03/27/96 -0800, Charles Bell wrote: >On Tue, 26 Mar 1996, David K. Merriman wrote: > > >Yes, and some years ago a State legislature (I forget which) passed a >resolution setting the value of pi at exactly 3. I'm not sure how they >planned to enforce their will. Do you know how the Texas judge means to >enforce his? Frankly, no. I would suspect some kind of visits from Child Welfare, or somesuch - fruitless though it may be. Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMVjxCsVrTvyYOzAZAQFWfAP7BQTesPRwoK+ubvFxLg36tq634FdFAlue 5sMZO1D2yBfHEHsHyfpR7RBB2DrP8vqTjrcZjz9ctxg7ph5/sqYUWf37xkKbyLu2 byJMWfZhZDXIwDyhWU3RmJOUL+loisDzP7uNZtjoodJLro/QceSR4sqdgWa4xl59 eiPapVoaXdU= =1+fS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------------- "Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." P. J. O'Rourke (b. 1947), U.S. journalist. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> http://www.shellback.com/personal/merriman/index.htm

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Re: Bad news from Judge Richey
by anonymous-remailer＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:33 PM 3/25/96 tcmay wrote: ------------------- jim bell: >talk to Jim Bell about implementing a program using encryption that doesn't >_need_ to be exported...legally anyway. tcmay: You're coming perilously close to actually calling for the killing of a federal judge. My recollection is that a couple of folks have been arrested and charged for calling for the killing of judges. ------------------- Any half-wit falling for Bell's agent provocateur setup will do hard time, or maybe get popped by his twitchy TLA watchers. The son-of-a-bitch's baiting with pigeons, no question. He's too myopic to see he's setting up falcons for gutting by high-circling eagles, who'll claw him too. Bell's going down blind-sided with his gulls, all easy prey.

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Re: Why Americans feel no compulsion to learn foreign languages
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:17 PM 3/27/96, Michael Helm wrote: >On Mar 27, 3:13am, Timothy C. May wrote: >> Americans are typically thousands of miles away from those speaking >> Japanese, Mandarin, Tagalog, Polish, Italian, Dutch, Spanish, Hindi, >> Talegu, and the hundreds of other languages. It is not at all clear what >> language Americans should pick as a "second language" to study. > >I don't really disagree with the conclusions drawn by this poster, or >with the quasi-economics argument he makes. However, I must say that >the above is completely wrong. MOST Americans live in large urban >areas, & as such are within seconds/footsteps of people whose native >languages are not English (or who don't have a single "native language", >but several!). There are probably _hundreds_ of languages spoken in the >San Francisco Bay Area. The school districts here routinely report double >digit languages in the school age population. And? Your point being? "All learning is economics," to paraphrase our noted saying about security. Because there are diverse groups within 100 miles away speaking a babel of languages, including a per cent or so each of Thai, Talegu, Mandarin, Vietnamese, and so on, do I understand your point that I should pick one of these languages and spend a year or so learning it well enough to say to one of these groups, "Hello, can you tell me which way to the train station?" My point is not against the learning of a foreign language, just that economic considerations _must_ play a role. (Of course, people are free to ignore economics and "follow their bliss." A friend of mine studied Sanskrit for several years, and I even spent some time studying some Old Icelandic a few decades ago.) My European friends usually study the language of their direct neighbors and important trading/scientific partners. English, German, French, typically. >There are 3 Spanish language channels (& another 2 ... "multiple >choice") on my tv cable system. That anglophones choose to tune them >out, or to not even notice the Noah's ark around them, says something >about this culture. "Says something about this culture." Insults aside, you are right. I will sign up with the local JC for a study of Vietnamese, just so I won't be ignoring this cornucopia of polyglotism. (One person communicated with me in private about this, saying that the international nature of the Internet is an ironic counterpoint to my point. So I promised this guy I would learn Hindi and Polish to better be able to use the Internet. Of course, this'll take me a few years, and then I'll no doubt find that I don't have any interest in talking to the people on the Net who speak in Hindi or Polish, but, what the hell, I will have reduced my "anglophone chauvinism quotient.") --Tim Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Tim's friend's mildly retarded son
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"tcmay(a)got.net" 22-MAR-1996 00:47:25.47 >At 11:17 PM 3/21/96, E. ALLEN SMITH wrote: >> This topic's relevance to Cypherpunks, aside from the confirmations >>that you mentioned, is low... aside from that it's of interest to Extropians >>such as myself and Tim May. >In recent months, a self-appointed group of list members have taken upon >themselves to argue that _anything_ that does not have to do with certain >topics they find appropriate is "not related to crypto, so take it >elsewhere." Regrettably, most reasonable people have grown quiet about >anything that smacks of politics or ideology, leaving the field clear for >certain ranting lunatics. Umm... I was referring to the discussion in regards to whether "smart drugs" work or not, not the discussion on the FDA. Sorry if I wasn't clear. Admittedly, some of my comments with regards to the FDA's ultraconservative/better-safe-than-sorry (depending on whose side you take) policy can be extended to an analysis of the NSA's behavior - putting the brakes on cryptography even after it becomes useless to do so, and after it becomes _necessary_ for America's future (commerce et al). -Allen

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Traffic Jams on the Internet
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It occurs to me that it would be good if people sent in some non-governmental/hierarchial solutions to this problem, such as ones using digital cash as "postage" for prioritized mail. -Allen From: Phil Agre <pagre(a)weber.ucsd.edu> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= This message was forwarded through the Red Rock Eater News Service (RRE). Send any replies to the original author, listed in the From: field below. You are welcome to send the message along to others but please do not use the "redirect" command. For information on RRE, including instructions for (un)subscribing, send an empty message to rre-help(a)weber.ucsd.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 05:34:50 -0500 (EST) From: Automated Mailer <stsful-l-prog(a)x.nsf.gov> To: STSFUL-L Mailing List <stsful-l(a)x.nsf.gov> Subject: [Press Release] TRAFFIC JAMS ON THE INTERNET The file "pr968.txt" has been added to the STIS system. This file is a NEW file. Reference material is located at the end of this message. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Title : TRAFFIC JAMS ON THE INTERNET Type : Press Release NSF Org: OD / LPA Date : March 14, 1996 File : pr968 Media only contact: Beth Gaston March 14, 1996 (703) 306-1070/egaston(a)nsf.gov NSF PR 96-8 All others contact: Mark Luker (703) 306-1950/mluker(a)nsf.gov TRAFFIC JAMS ON THE INTERNET: New Connections Program to force Internet Technology While the Internet grows in popularity, a related problem is growing: traffic jams. The increased demand of more people on-line using increasingly sophisticated tools has caused delays in transmission unacceptable for some scientific uses. The National Science Foundation has introduced a new twist to its connections program: emphasizing innovative solutions that may have broad implications for all Internet users. The program will look for meritorious applications that require high performance networking, and will then fund development by university and college campus network service providers. Technology developed for this program will likely affect future operation of the Internet. The technology will introduce the idea of prioritization to Internet traffic. For example, if planning to use the U.S. Postal Service to send a package, you have options: overnight mail, first-class service, or third-class service. The rate of the package delivery is contingent on how it is designated. Freeways around major cities often have either express toll roads or high-occupancy-vehicle lanes to bypass congested areas. Similarly, NSF's connections program is expected to spur the development of switches and routers to help alleviate bottlenecks of information. "There is no single solution. We hope this grant program will stimulate the development of a technological option for the Internet, to introduce prioritization and provide a new style of connection that gives a guaranteed level of service at a national level," said Mark Luker, manager of NSF's connections program. Currently on the Internet, all packets of information are treated alike. While this worked fine before the popularization of the Internet, it now interferes with some uses that require high performance service. One example is to use high performance connections of multiple small computers to create a large workstation cluster distributed across the nation. The Internet is currently too congested for such a system. Teleconferencing or videoconferencing also places too great a need on the current capacity. And, some scientific instrumentation requires specific fast connections, though not necessarily high bandwidth. Interruptions or delays caused by Internet congestion could be fatal to experiments. One solution might include prioritization of traffic on the Internet. Another solution might involve diverting specially coded traffic to high performance, special use networks, such as NSF's vBNS (very high speed Backbone Network Service). -end- NSF was created as an independent federal agency in 1950, uniquely charged with promoting the progress of all fields of science and engineering. Today, as a leader and steward of the nation's science research base, NSF supports both research and education through competitive grants to about 2,000 universities and other institutions. NSF receives some 60,000 research proposals each year and funds about one-third of them. ** News releases and tipsheets are available electronically on NSFnews. To subscribe, send an e-mail message to listmanager(a)nsf.gov. In the body of the message, type "subscribe nsfnews" and then type your name. For more guidance, send a "help" message to listmanager(a)nsf.gov. 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No Subject
by anon-remailer＠utopia.hacktic.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

:: Subject: HP ships full DCE internationally As I sit, somewhere not in North America, I can see a CD-Rom from Hewlett-Packard, which I've had since last year. Recently I received the following letter. I've attempted to retype its contents accurately. ---------8<--------8<--------8<--------8<--------8<--------8<--------8< [HP Logo] Hewlett-Packard Company Software and Information Delivery Operation, SST 690 East Middlefield Road Mountain View, California 94043 415/968-9200 Dear HP-UX Support Customer, Hewlett-Packard has uncovered a bundling problem in the DCE-Core fileset that is on the October HP-UX Application Release 10.0 s700/800 Application CDs. These products were bundled such that they are not compliant with U.S. Government export regulations. The part numbers for the affected CDs and products are listed below. If you have updated your systems using these CDs or for the products listed on the October HP-UX Application Release Media, please update your system with the enclosed January HP-UX Application Release 10.0 s700/800 Application media, and destroy the October media. If you have not updated your systems with this media, please just destroy the October Application Release media and use the new enclosed Application media. If you require a replacement for the October HP-UX 10.0 s700/800 Application CD that has this bundling problem corrected, please contact your local support office to request shipment of the new CD. Hewlett-Packard apologises for any inconvenience you may experience due to this bundling issue. Sincerely [signed] Charles Henderson Software Information and Delivery Operations CD PART NUMBERS --------------- 24998-11710 SE application s700 10/95 24998-11711 SE application s800 10/95 B3782-10054 Trade application s700 10/95 B3920-13614 Trade application s800 10/95 PRODUCT NUMBERS --------------- 10.01 800 B3191A DCE CORE SRV MEDIA/DOCU INTL 10.01 800 B5162AA DCE 9000 Executive Client 10.01 800 B3519AA DCE QUICK START KIT INTL S800 10.01 800 B3923AA CICS/9000 Bundle Media & Manuals, Int'l 10.01 700 B2921A DCE Core Services International 10.01 700 B5162AA DCE 9000 Executive Client S700 10.01 700 B3519AA DCE Quickstart 700 Bndl Int'l Document P/N: 5964-5231 ---------8<--------8<--------8<--------8<--------8<--------8<--------8< Excuse me, I just have to go and destroy that CD :-)

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Re: (X:x)e$ 's other use
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"llurch(a)networking.stanford.edu" "Rich Graves" 22-MAR-1996 05:45:53.77 >Digital cash, if people can be convinced to trust it, will be a wonderful >thing because of its security, convenience, and anonymity features. I'm >sorry, but I just don't buy this "corrupt currency" schtick. While corrupt isn't quite the right word, the dollar is a politically-influencable currency. And the politicians tend to press for higher inflation and lower unemployment, because that gets them elected. The Fed has done an actually rather admirable job of standing up to the pressure (compared to how they might have behaved), but that we've got real inflation testifies to that they haven't been completely successful. Moreover, the banks that are in the Federal Reserve network have a motivation to have low interest rates for what _they_ get charged, despite this inflating the currency... thus, they've got some motivations to mismanage things. -Allen

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Re: WSJ on Big Java Flaw
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:58 AM 3/26/96 -0500, John Young wrote: > Java was originally touted by Sun as a secure language. But > at least two other flaws have already been discovered in > the technology, including a less-serious problem uncovered > by the Princeton team last month. Sun's Ms. Mueller said > the problems have been correctable details in the way the > Java code is written, not problems with its basic design. Having worked on a secure OS, with a small security kernel etc. etc. etc. I realize that even those systems have bugs. The Java people will work out their bugs. Others will read their code and find more bugs. (It is to Sun's GREAT credit that they are releasing their source under a not very restrictive license.) Eventually, in several years, Java security will be ready for prime time. Of course, for really valuable things, or the really paranoid, you shouldn't connect your computer to a network. The top dog certificate key in SET is handled this way. Regards - Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Re: So, what crypto legislation (if any) is necessary?
by Rich Burroughs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

tcmay(a)got.net (Timothy C. May) wrote: [snip] > Jim's argument (?) could be turned in all sorts of ways: "Your Honor, there > is nothing I can find in the Constitution that says I can't drive on the > left side of the road at 125 miles per hour." Indeed, there is nothing > laying out detailed traffic laws. And so on. [snip] Or a right to privacy, for that matter. It's not stated anywhere explicictly in the Bill of Rights -- the courts have patched together a legal framework for it. Rich ______________________________________________________________________ Rich Burroughs richieb(a)teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~richieb Protest the CDA - Join the EFF's Blue Ribbon Anti-Censorship Campaign! See my Blue Ribbon Page at http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/blueribbon

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