December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Senator Leahy's Public Key
by Sig Porter 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 13:23:09 -0400 (EDT) > From: Black Unicorn <unicorn(a)schloss.li> .... > I'll visit his office and ask if he wants he key signed this week. So? ------------------------------------- Sig Porter sporter(a)electriciti.com finger for pgp key

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Re: Edited Edupage, 9 May 1996
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:57 PM 5/14/96, Doug Hughes wrote: >I wouldn't normally respond to such an offtopic post, but this post is >so egregious I couldn't let it pass. Who says they make a choice to live >in rural areas? Do they also choose not to have enough money to pay >for shoes? So, because they live in a poor district they are not entitled Your shoe example is apt. Fact is, we *don't* pay for people's shoes. Why should we pay for their Net access when we don't pay for their shoes, or their food, or their electricity, or their phone bill, or their cable t.v. subscription? Many of these things seem like higher priorities than being able to "surf the Net." (It is true that we as a society--wrongly in my opinion, but this is another topic--give people various handouts. These handouts can be used to buy things, presumably including a $20/month unlimited access Internet account.) >to the same level of education as a rich city suburb? The illiteracy >rate in Alabama is 40%! This is just plain sick! I don't think that >every school needs a net connection, I think they need better teachers. But "Better teachers"? I doubt this changes anything. Only a cultural change will. (Why is it that dirt-poor "boat people" who floated into San Francisco Bay on inner tubes had children go from nearly zero English to 99% literacy in less than 5 years? Often in crowded schools, too. Think about it.) >Education is one thing (perhaps the only thing) that deserves to be >subsidized in this country. We're rapidly falling behind. Actually, the subcultures in American society which value learning and achievement are doing extremely well. Hand a motivate kid a book and he'll learn. Hand a gang-banger a book and he'll pull out a gun and kill you for the thrill of it. As a result, some subcultures are headed for the scrap heap. Think of it as evolution in action. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Welcome to clueless
by Majordomo＠c2.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: TO ALL MEMBERS
by SBinkley＠atitech.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <199605132111.QAA00205(a)silver.niia.net>, Mathew Ellman <mellman(a)niia.net> wrote: > TO ALL MEMBERS, > IM TIRED OF ALL THIS SHIT I HAVE UNSUBSCRIBED MANY TIMES AND ALL I > GET IS SOME STUPID ASS REPLY ABOUT CLOSED LIST OR ADDRESS NOT MATCHING AND I > GET NO REPLY SO UNLESS YOU ALL WANT TO GET A BUNCH OF UN WANTED BULLSHIT > (LIKE THE SHIT IM GETING FROM YOU ) I SUGEST SOMEONE FIND A WAY TO GET ME > THE FUCK OFF THIS LIST . I HAVE GOT IN TOUCH WITH THE PESON THE REPLY TELL > ME TO AND NO REPLY. IM TIRED OF ALL THIS SHIT. > > To: majordomo(a)c2.org Subject: subscribe clueless mellman(a)niaa.net subscribe clueless mellman(a)niaa.net - -- Alan Bostick | "The thing is, I've got rhythm but I don't have mailto:abostick@netcom.com | music, so I guess I could ask for a few more news:alt.grelb | things." (overheard) http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~abostick -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQB1AwUBMZfKfuVevBgtmhnpAQGHgQMAjE9RlL3Ivsvew2tpuAHUzbWwXRA76gBX +o2ShOZFYJcxOb0Hw4nimCV+avuulztxJcPecAFimQ12qUOmLTs654I+Iy8tIAYm uLEtUbs66aghUMHrb01fvclbn2bgX2Hq =KMy4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - Send "help" to majordomo(a)c2.org for information.

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Re: Fingerprinting annoyance
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"unicorn(a)schloss.li" "Black Unicorn" 14-MAY-1996 13:05:37.99 >On Mon, 13 May 1996, Paul S. Penrod wrote: >> Pineapple juice and other weak acidic subtances ruin the ridges on the >> finger tips causing them to smear or not show at all. Unfortunately, this >> takes a period of time and constant handling of such items. >This is interesting. I suspect that you'd have to have major damage to >the ridges however. One idea I've had is dermabrasion of the fingertips. There could be some problems with this, however, in that dermabrasion works best on areas well-supplied with blood vessels and various other healing-promoting characteristics; thus, it is customarily used only on the face. It would be interesting to see if angiogenesis (blood vessel growing) and other growth factors could be used in order to have dermabrasion on other parts of the body without scarring (the normal consequence of using it in other areas); this would have cosmetic as well as identity-related applications. I haven't found any research on this subject on Medline. -Allen

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[NOISE] Re: Notes from the SF P
by SBinkley＠atitech.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: minow(a)apple.com (Martin Minow) > Subject: Re: Notes from the SF Physical Cypherpunks meeting [...] > The Swedish government has a rather strong tradition of protection > of individual privacy (encrypting COM e-mail is one example). [...] > Martin Minow > minow(a)apple.com Huh? 'a rather strong tradition of protection of individual privacy'? In Sweden, for many years you could (and for all I know, still) go to a public records office and look up all kinds of personal data on anyone, without restriction - you could, for example, find out your co-workers exact salaries if you were curious. My understanding is that Sweden's postion vis-a-vis the Internet has been particularly clueless, with international email technically a crime, and government officials who regard modems as criminal tools. I hope things have improved. Peter Trei (former resident alien in Sweden) ptrei(a)acm.org - Send "help" to majordomo(a)c2.org for information.

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Mailing list
by The Steel Wolf 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I would like to be added to the Cypherpunk mailing list, please.

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Re: Fingerprinting annoyance
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"unicorn(a)schloss.li" "Black Unicorn" 14-MAY-1996 12:45:16.88 >It is one of the great advantages of the United States that no >standardized procedure for person identification exists. Seals and >certificates vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Cross the border to >a state and a hospital birth annoucement is enough for a drivers license, >cross again and 4 pieces and a note from mom isn't enough. Are there any good reference works on how such requirements vary between states? I know Loompanics has some works on the subject of identity, but I don't know how reliable they are. -Allen

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Anonymous password assignment failure (no password)
by daemon＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

You have requested the assignment of a new password However, your message text didn't contain any password. Remember that passwords should only contain letters and numbers.

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Rural Datafication (Was Re: Edited Edupage, 9 May 1996)
by mccoy＠communities.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May writes: > At 3:57 PM 5/14/96, Doug Hughes wrote: > > >I wouldn't normally respond to such an offtopic post, but this post is > >so egregious I couldn't let it pass. Who says they make a choice to live > >in rural areas? Do they also choose not to have enough money to pay > >for shoes? So, because they live in a poor district they are not entitled > > Your shoe example is apt. Fact is, we *don't* pay for people's shoes. Why > should we pay for their Net access when we don't pay for their shoes, or > their food, or their electricity, or their phone bill, or their cable t.v. > subscription? Many of these things seem like higher priorities than being > able to "surf the Net." Well, this sort of subsidization is in the grand tradition of the Rural Electrification Act of the new deal era and it seems to have worked out pretty well. The point being that we, as a social group, benefit when everyone has access to certain pieces of the general infrastructure: if everyone has electricity then appliance manufacturers can sell to everyone, etc. This is particularly true when it comes to services like electricity, phones, etc. where it is much easier to wire up the cities than areas with a lower population density. BTW, while there may have been a decent argument against the electrification act, I think that you are paddling upstream when it comes to net connections. The value of your net connection (or any connection to the net) _increases_ according to the number of people who are connected to the network. Unlike all of the other rural subsidies you pay for as an urban dweller (with the possible exception of the phone subsidy), this is one which has direct benefit to you. Oh yeah, and you are already subsidizing their phone bill (at least the increased cost of running a line out to them and maintaining that line), and their electricity bill, and satellite TV took care of any need to run cable TV lines out there or else you would also be subsidizing their cable TV by now. So what was your point? jim

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