December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: PLONK
by David Sternlight 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Plonking is an outrageous abuse of net courtesy. Shame on you! David

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Kill Files and Plonking
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A predictable round of "Public Plonkings" and "You're in my kill file, nyah, nyah, nyah!" postings. Personally, I regret ever mentioning adding anyone to my filter file, as it then generated the expected "But Tim won't see this...." nonsense. I shouldn't have done it. Public plonkings rarely accomplish anything. I move names and topics in and out of my filter files as the mood strikes me. I have the option of looking at the mail that's ended up in one of my various filter files, and deciding to move someone out of that file and back into the main list file. (With Eudora, I filter _every_ incoming message into one of a dozen or so files. It's just a question of which one. For a few really obnoxious people, I filter their stuff into Eudora's "Trash" file; when I empty the trash (Macintosh TM), their message is irretrievably gone.) I think it's best _not_ to publicize who is in one's filter or kill file for a couple of reasons: 1. It cuts down on the acrimonious plonkings and couter-plonkings. 2. It leaves open the door for gracefully reversing the process. 3. The filtered or killfiled person never really knows if he's being filtered, so there's a "random reinforcement" element which may, I am guessing, have an effect on posts. To satisfy any curiousity aroused, at this moment there are 12 names which I filter into a file called "Kill File" (but which is persistent, and can be looked at by me at any time) and only 2 names which I filter into "Trash" (which gets emptied fairly often, usually without my having looked to see what went into it). (No name I have ever mentioned publically in this context is in this Trash file.) Some people who write to me and get no response may of course be left wondering....this is the beauty of random reinforcement. --Tim Boycott espionage-enabled software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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The V-Chip glass is half full
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

As a incurable optimist, I would like to offer a view contrary to all the V-Chip doom and gloom. Consider the Movie rating system as a precedent. In the old days there was a rating system in Hollywood which made it impossible to show a married couple sleeping in the same bed. This situation is analogous to modern TV where George Carlin's 7 naughty words may not be spoken. Contrast that with today's movies. There is a much wider latitude about the movies you can make and distribute. All you have to do is label them NC-17, R. or X and you are clean. Of course, there are newspapers which will not allow you to advertise and theaters which will not show the X/NC-17 movies, but that's the way the market works. With some luck, we will be able to see on TV what we can now see in the movie theater, and the prudes will screen it out with the V-Chip the same way they now screen it out with the movie rating. Everyone is (more or less) happy. Panglossianly yours - Bill

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"Rights"
by A. Padgett Peterson, P.E. Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>A day or so ago, I reasoned incorrectly that university students and >employees were free to encrypt mail they sent through their student or work >accounts. This was in response to a statement that the govt could retain >at least some control of internet traffic through the universities and >businesses. I would credit the person who called me on it, by I do not >remember who it was. It seems that, at least for employees, it is totally >up to the employer. Is something I have been saying for years & has nothing to do with "free speech", rather it is "property rights" and in the USA they always *must* win because when you get down to it the US is based on property rights. One of the most basic is that "citizens are not the property of the state". "We hold these truths...all men are created equal" referred to the separation of nobility from the "common man". Is part of the reason Amurricns may not be titled. However computers and networks are not people, they are property. All are owned by someone who exercises control over them. To say "you must let me use yours as I wish" is to deny "all men are created equal" (and coporations enjoy the legal fiction of being an entity. Some time in the future we may have to consider other beings (porposes ?) but not yet just as at one time slaves and "injuns" were conveniently denied. Now if an employer/university choses not to exert any control, that is their decision but does not mean they have given up anything (AFAIK "adverse possesion" has never been applied to a computer or network) so why be surprised when some exercise those rights ? I agree that proper notice should be given but that is only to stay out of court in the first place. *Every court case I know of has been decided in favour of the property owner*. Remedy exists. If you do not like the rules at one site, choose another. In most places you can find a PPP provider for $20/month unmetered who will let you do what you will. True, if you want to use the web properly, the price of a PC has gone up from $25 since Windoze and a 256 colour display is needed, but not much. Sorry for being a bit off topic but once this is understood (and am open to argument on the issue but expect to prevail), I suspect that a lot of the noise level on this list will go down. Warmly, Padgett

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Yeah, Yeah But what are we gonna do!
by Richard Harris 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It may just be me but ... i) This in-fighting and bickering doesn't seem very productive ii) What are we gonna do about the CDA? The bikers fought the helmet law and won (in places) We should do the same. "It is better to have tried and failed than never have tried at all" Our strength is in our numbers and our abilities we should use them to ensure our freedom. Science fiction has become our reality and their paranoia. All we have to lose is our freedom.

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Re: Req. for soundbites
by Joe Zychik 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:08 PM 2/9/96 +0600, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >A local TV station has asked me for an interview, after I sent a graphic of a mono-digital hand gesture with the phrase "censor this!" to the Prez, Veep, and the area congresscritters (cc'd to 2 TV stations and a radio station), accompanied by a 'confession' and demand for swift prosecution. > >Anyone got any nifty sound bites I can try to toss in? This guy has some Congressional Soundbites on his site: Damon Lust http://www.lust.org/~damon/ I didn't stay around to listen to them. But, his head seems to be in the right place. He refers to Congress as Corporate Pyscho Criminals. jz Publisher of the Zychik Chronicle. To subscribe send e-mail with sub-cy in the header

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Req. for soundbites
by David K. Merriman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- A local TV station has asked me for an interview, after I sent a graphic of a mono-digital hand gesture with the phrase "censor this!" to the Prez, Veep, and the area congresscritters (cc'd to 2 TV stations and a radio station), accompanied by a 'confession' and demand for swift prosecution. Anyone got any nifty sound bites I can try to toss in? Dave Merriman -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMRsp68VrTvyYOzAZAQGAkAP/UeEHWF7vl1zYTiR0otsLoZ+jaa9BuSU6 JrGHtr+nKzN8eS2U+URK41B//n9+Ag9o7VlAF4+QPqNwgzugO5AWdbeOBQZ54V0H HoM8uNSJoU1wJ4QHhtVYN0BDhrsvZ99dTxhGOmvHH3EUyxOFib6kDYxKNR4WgvWJ 1EGt3o8rb3Q= =AFTX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------------- "It is not the function of our Government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the Government from falling into error." Robert H. Jackson (1892-1954), U.S. Judge <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> My web page: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1148

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Unknown address
by jf_avon＠citenet.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi! Could you tell me why I receive this message?!? I *never* sent anything to your place... What is it that is wrong? The cypherpunks remailer? Your site? (how?) ========== original e-mail from you ================ >From warehouse.mn.org!postmaster(a)kksys.com Mon Feb 12 04:06:24 1996 Return-Path: <warehouse.mn.org!postmaster(a)kksys.com> From: postmaster(a)warehouse.mn.org (Postmaster) Subject: Unknown address Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 22:19:49 GMT Organization: The Warehouse BBS To: jf_avon(a)citenet.net ) >The user this message was addressed to does not exist at this site. Please >verify the name and domain in the original message that follows. >Message was addressed to: SAMUEL.KAPLIN(a)warehouse.mn.org > > ----- Original Message follows ----- > >From: jf_avon(a)citenet.net (Jean-Francois Avon (JFA Technologies, QC, Canada)) >To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 23:41:06 -0500 >Subject: Re: "Rights" > >Ed.Carp(a)linux.org, ecarp(a)netcom.com wrote: <various blah blah from me snipped> ========= end original message from you ================ **** NEW PGP 2.6.2 KEY ********* 2048 bits Key ID:24201BA1 1996/02/13 Jean-Francois Avon <jf_avon(a)citenet.net> Key fingerprint = 23 B6 24 31 86 67 FB 35 C7 A7 AF 12 A1 61 E9 3D **** OLD KEY: DO NOT USE ANYMORE UNLESS FOR VERIFYING SIGNATURES **** 1024 bits Key ID:57214AED 1995/10/04 Jean-Francois Avon <jf_avon(a)citenet.net> Key fingerprint = 84 96 76 AE EB 7C AB 15 88 47 87 B0 18 31 74 9F

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Re: Stewart Baker's web site & OECD international crypto policy
by jf_avon＠citenet.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Gilmore <gnu(a)toad.com> reported: >My favorite was his summary report on the OECD meeting in December, >~steptoe/286908.htm, at which the US tried to parade some of the >fruits of its behind-the-scenes efforts to convince other governments >to become as authoritarian as the US government on crypto policy. Why help "potential enemies"? Why a govt risks it's cherished 'national security'? >If the US government can quietly convince other countries to support >Clipper-like systems (including "mandatory key escrow" and "trusted It probably means that they already cracked the code... :) Definitely, they are insane beyond the safety level... JFA **** NEW PGP 2.6.2 KEY ********* 2048 bits Key ID:24201BA1 1996/02/13 Jean-Francois Avon <jf_avon(a)citenet.net> Key fingerprint = 23 B6 24 31 86 67 FB 35 C7 A7 AF 12 A1 61 E9 3D **** OLD KEY: DO NOT USE ANYMORE UNLESS FOR VERIFYING SIGNATURES **** 1024 bits Key ID:57214AED 1995/10/04 Jean-Francois Avon <jf_avon(a)citenet.net> Key fingerprint = 84 96 76 AE EB 7C AB 15 88 47 87 B0 18 31 74 9F

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Re: Put the Protest where your money is.
by Ray Arachelian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, Mark Allyn (206) 860-9454 wrote: > What do you mean by a speech bubble? > > "write in a speech bubble to the president dude" > > Does this mean a transparent plastic bubble over his head?? Like in comic books. i.e: __________________________________ /CDA is unconstitutional and sucks \ | Exon sucks rhino dick for lunch | ___ \ _________________________________/ / \ |/ |O O| \ ^ / -~- :-) ========================================================================== + ^ + | Ray Arachelian |Emptiness is loneliness, and loneliness| _ |> \|/ |sunder(a)dorsai.org|is cleanliness and cleanliness is god-| \ | <--+-->| |liness and god is empty, just like me,| \| /|\ | Just Say |intoxicated with the maddness, I'm in| <|\ + v + | "No" to the NSA!|love with my sadness. (Pumpkins/Zero)| <| n ===================http://www.dorsai.org/~sunder/========================= [This Bible excerpt awaiting review under the Communications Decency Act] And then Lot said, "I have some mighty fine young virgin daughters. Why don't you boys just come on in and do em right here in my house - I'll just watch!"....Later, up in the mountains, the younger daughter said. "Dad's getting old. I say we should do him." So the two daughters got him drunk and did him all that night. Sure enough, Dad got em pregnant....Onan really hated the idea of doing his brother's wife and getting her pregnant while his brother got all the credit, so he whacked off first....Remember, it's not a good idea to have sex with your sister, your brother, your parents, your pet dog, or the farm animals. [excerpts from the Old Testament, Modern Vernacular Translation, TCM, 1996]

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