December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: Net Control is Thought Control
by Pete Loshin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Duncan Frissell wrote: >On CSPAN Friday morning a gentlemen who is, I take it, a lobbyist for TPC or >the Competitive Long Distance Coalition (TPCs) said that the Internet could >be regulated just like magazines, tv, or anything else. I have long doubted >statements like this particularly since they come from people without >apparent experience on the Net. > >[many other interesting comments deleted] Magazines and TV (and books, newspapers, movies etc.) are _NOT_ regulated, at least not as to content. These media are all pretty much self-regulated. The judgement of whether to print the f-word in a newspaper is made by the editors and/or the publishers--not the government. The same goes for how much flesh gets displayed on a television show, or in a movie, or on the cover of a magazine. It is true that the TV and movie industry have subjected themselves to self-censorship and "guidelines" to avoid having the government step in and do it for them, however. It may be that this individual was speaking in favor of having the Internet community police itself--which may mean he's in favor of an updated Hayes board of censors (the folks who felt that, during the 40's it was obscene to indicate that ANYONE, particularly married people, slept in the same bed together, with the result that bedroom scenes always had the couple sleeping in their own individual single beds). -Pete Loshin pete(a)loshin.com

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Re: Book on Electronic Commerce
by Pete Loshin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

For the sake of completeness, I'll mention my book, too: _Electronic Commerce: On-Line Ordering and Digital Money_ 1995, 282 pages, $35.95 (includes CD ROM) Charles River Media, Inc. 1 800 382-8505 ISBN # 1-886801-08-8 Excerpts (preface, Chapter 3, part of Chapter 6) are available at: http://www.loshin.com/ -Pete Loshin pete(a)loshin.com

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Re: When they came for the Jews...
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>But Cooper said the ``unprecedented potential and scope of the Internet'' >gives people ``incredible power to promote violence, As opposed, say, to the "82nd Airborne Division" or the "3rd Shock Army." >threaten women, Not to mention threaten men. But I guess we don't deserve protection. >denigrate minorities What an incredibly racist statement. Why should blackening (denigrating) someone be bad? >promote homophobia Promote the fear of the same. No risk of the Nets doing that. >and conspire against democracy.'' Asked and answered. DCF "The 3rd Shock Army was the Red Army unit charged with charging through the Fulda Gap to split the BRD if and when. But 'if and when' never came."

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Re:
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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RE: Net Control is Thought Control
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 13:34 1/10/96 -0500, Pete Loshin wrote: >... [The] Hayes board of censors (the folks who felt that, during >the 40's it was obscene to indicate that ANYONE, particularly >married people, slept in the same bed together, with the result >that bedroom scenes always had the couple sleeping in their own >individual single beds). Who apperently when thru the roof when they saw Casablanca. It was real obvious what Rick and Ilsa were doing in Paris, but there were no bedroom scenes to cut. A classic example of Art over Asshole. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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RE: Net Control is Thought Control
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:34 PM 1/10/96 -0500, Pete Loshin wrote: >Magazines and TV (and books, newspapers, movies etc.) are _NOT_ >regulated, at least not as to content. These media are all >pretty much self-regulated. Lots of content regulation in the US: Libel, slander, indecency (radio and TV), obscenity, Federal Trade Commission (advertizing controls), Food and Drug Administration (drug 'labeling' and info controls), booze and cigarette advertizing, EEOC (controls on discriminatory advertizing), children's television requirements, civil defense broadcast requirements, station identification requirements, civil controls on advertizing foreign financial services (did you know this was illegal?), civil liability for carrying 'hit man' ads, etc. I'd come up with more if I had more time. I'll add more over the next few days as I think of them. Not to mention the numerous content controls in countries other than the US. The Nets will smash all of these content controls. DCF

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Is this true...
by Ted Garrett 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Being new to crypto subjects, I guess I'm pretty gullable about how much one should use encryption in general. I remember reading somewhere that it would probably be best for the 'world as a whole' if everyone used encryption whenever possible so that when you DO send encrypted messages that actually contain information you want kept secret, it doesn't stick out like a sore thumb. To that end, I should imagine that once I have a person's pgp key, they may well never see another cleartext message from me again! Of course, now I'm trying to figure out how to use the anonymous remailers and such. Boy, this is fun! Of course, the fact that my government doesn't really care for the idea of publicly available cryptography makes it even more enticing. - -- Ted Garrett Live Systems Integration -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMPQhKc1+l8EKBK5FAQGkqgf7BN6GxJ5MHCAJZwfuS1JjNNQanT471L3O 0VEhkg0S0GG+827Swly3Bi+0BABcGcQatBSMGFRiecjIEzrRRa/6ME4tAr8qT/EW DXVksWk4Bf6ax8uIF1uPf0uIOeQHOuCZwVnH7uHYCpaOMaMeTVobbyLeT30Gc5Ou YhRIeyUvTazqlWqQaNSLSJX1no9Ph0R6WnDMUYGXof+VXgLw//jddcEfMYYn24hA C8860mAbzke95iuACGcu6hzrr6njVaPMJHqyHb8kZwOjuESzDxZw0cYxt3VRPE72 NXqHzati0Rc/uzpx9FXV5lopRd0fFQUBOK75w0PA3Q5h/RQE6cvj+g== =SQ81 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Net Metaphor
by Bruce Baugh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Given that most people have neither the time nor interest to understand how the net really works, we need concise images that convey the truth. In particular, we need to get across to the net.unhip masses the idea that the net is not a "thing", not any single organization. I've recently begun using this metaphor: the Internet is a society, composed of all the systems that "speak" its computer protocols. In this it's like, say, the society of all English-speakers. The English-language society includes governments and businesses and churches and fraternal orders and magazines and all sorts of things, but it isn't any of them. And obviously there is nobody in charge of the English-language society as a whole - the language itself evolves over time (and changes across space), and no institution controls the whole show. When I've brought that up, I've all but seen lightbulbs go on over people's heads. Bruce Baugh bruceab(a)teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~bruceab

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Re: NSA says strong crypto to china??
by Gary Howland 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > you think that's a bit ridiculous? i'm paid via an NIH grant given to my > adivisor by the govt. this stipend is taxed. it didn't used to be > (started to be taxed around '86 i believe). why the hell doesn't the > govt just save everyone the trouble and pay me less. i'm sure they could > get rid of a couple of IRS people this way. It's even sillier over here in Europe, and the paperwork is probably a couple of order of magnitudes more expensive (due to the translations required). Quick example (but old figures) - the EU spends $10 million a year to campaign against smoking, and then spends $1200 million a year to subsidise tobacco production. Thought for the day - Think about what the 'S' in IRS stands for. Gary - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMPUO4yoZzwIn1bdtAQGTEQGAuuoLP0gviZeGIuy7o4oc3jqanUYKp5eT Ce4FxXNfmz3DGZ6FY1UPGIEYZL6a7XzY =/sBS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Crypto Law Survey - new URL and update
by Bert-Jaap Koops 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The URL of my Crypto Law Survey has been changed several times over the past month due to changes in servers. Apologies. It is now located at http://cwis.kub.nl/~frw/people/koops/lawsurvy.htm (and it is meant to stay there :-)). So, please put pointers to this new URL, and accept my apologies for the inconvenience. To make up for this, I have updated the survey with all recent events, such as the ICC meeting in Paris and the recent discovery of a crypto law in Belgium, and added a few links. As always, comments are more than welcome. Kind regards, Bert-Jaap ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Bert-Jaap Koops tel +31 13 466 8101 Center for Law and Informatization facs +31 13 466 8102 Tilburg University e-mail E.J.Koops(a)kub.nl -------------------------------------------------- Postbus 90153 | This world's just mad enough to have been made | 5000 LE Tilburg | by the Being his beings into being prayed. | The Netherlands | (Howard Nemerov) | --------------------------------------------------------------------- http://cwis.kub.nl/~frw/schrdijk/CRI/people/bertjaap.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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