December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Japan-CIA
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Japan-CIA Tokyo (AP) -- Japan said that its relations with Washington could be seriously damaged if a report that the CIA spied on Japanese representatives at auto talks proves true. The New York Times reported Sunday that the CIA eavesdropped on conversations between Japanese negotiators and automakers during the talks in Geneva this year, reporting the results daily to U.S. Trade Representative Mickey Kantor. According to the report, Kantor was provided with summaries of conversations between Japanese bureaucrats and executives from Toyota Motor Corp. and Nissan Motor Co. Toyota called the alleged eavesdropping ``unthinkable,'' but refused to comment further.

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Illegally canceled articles on Microsoft Security Bugs
by anonymous＠replay.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(A copy of this message has also been posted to the following newsgroups: alt.security, comp.os.ms-windows.apps.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc,alt.religion.scientology,news.admin.net-abuse.misc,comp.protocols.smb,comp.os.ms-windows.advicacy,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Could somebody please tell me who illegally canceled my article <llurch-1510951157410001(a)tip-mp3-ncs-3.stanford.edu>, referenced in the followup article below, as well as several other articles I posted this morning? It was cross-posted to several groups, but I don't think it should have triggered any spam-cancelers, and I see nothing in news.admin.net-abuse.misc. I'd find the cuplrit myself, but Stanford only saves the last 100 or so messages in control. See the rather prominent blinking link on the Web page below for the other PGP-signed article that was canceled. Thanks in advance. Followups set to news.admin.net-abuse.misc. Don't bother canceling this article, my friend. By the way, the other articles were saved and emailed as well. - -rich jabba(a)deathstar.stanford.edu and other accounts moderator of a certain list http://rescomp.stanford.edu/~llurch/innocuous/faq.html PGP key available on MIT server and via finger -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMIHC9oND7LjhcPQ9AQHTZgQAxGQZGTFDrzUTfyWCuLTUP2VbIp6IwK/Y NJjy7ke4rgZH+bjegb1h2ig/lALEhnX4+uhurhDJ0wq6du2p5V/DUlsNHCcWvotL GHyd/ZLzXGq6OYRoPijUHAdDBPD2wWIdAfsYNiTgv3iezBJL+2cCq/YLiPd22KyF MROQwF05Hoc= =1K2B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- I will be charitable and assume that it was someone else I've pissed off (lord knows there's several), and not someone working directly for Microsoft or the Church [spit] of Scientology, who were both maligned in the canceled posts. In article <petrichDGID4I.5GG(a)netcom.com>, petrich(a)netcom.com (Loren Petrich) wrote: > Newsgroups: > alt.security,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc > Path: > nntp.Stanford.EDU!news.Stanford.EDU!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!petrich > From: petrich(a)netcom.com (Loren Petrich) > Subject: Re: More Microsoft Security Bugs > Message-ID: <petrichDGID4I.5GG(a)netcom.com> > Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) > References: <llurch-1510951157410001(a)tip-mp3-ncs-3.stanford.edu> > Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 21:02:42 GMT > X-Original-Newsgroups: > comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc,alt.security,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.financial,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.utilities,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.word-proc,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.misc,alt.fan.bill-gates,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.admin.misc > Lines: 9 > Sender: petrich(a)netcom2.netcom.com > Xref: nntp.Stanford.EDU alt.security:21764 > comp.os.ms-windows.apps.misc:13757 comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc:38436 > My favorite example of such a bug is in BOB's password protection. > If you mistype it 3 times, it will ask if you want another one. The only > defender of this "feature" has been -- get this -- JoanieDearest (at > least if memory serves me correctly). > -- > Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh > petrich(a)netcom.com And a fast train > Visit my ftp site; its address is (in WWW syntax): > ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/pe/petrich

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Re: Netscape question transformed
by anonymous-remailer＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, 13 Oct 1995, Derek Atkins wrote: > > Why would a compony like Netscape jeapordise themselves by > > even letting out a beta version so hackers have time to find bugs > > before the full version is released. Don't take me wrong I have only > > been on the net fer a little over a year and Love Netscape. And If I > > knew what I was Doing I would love to help them..... > > I don't think that this can jeopardize a company... I agree. I don't think it can jeopardize the company either. After all, we're talking about a company that has a market capitalization of more than TWO BILLION US DOLLARS. Two Billion Dollars can buy a lot of talent. Even if Netscape has to spend $100 Million on this problem, that sum represents only 5% of Netscape's total market capitalization. I'm certain that Netscape has established a crisis control centre which is manned and readied. That a proper spin control program has been implemented, and that a reasonable firm like Skadden Arps has been retained. And I'm confident, that Netscape is drawing not only on its own resources but that it's drawing on those who share Netscape's interests. Even if Skadden doesn't let you past security without a seven figure retainer, I'm sure that if one of those nice boys from Morgan Stanley, ... someone with snazzy Princeton ties ... maybe one of the ones who orchestrated the Netscape IPO calls over to Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom, I'm sure that one of those fellows will have their call returned by any partner at Skadden. They're professional that way. > What would you > rather see? A company makes a beta release for people to attempt to > break, fixes the bugs, and then releases a better product? Or would > you rather see a company release a product, tell people it is secure, > and then get bitten by numerous holes in it? Well, I'm not sure that I'd want to make any representations or imply any warranties whatsoever. > From a PR perspective, it sounds much better to take the first tact. > Similarly, you will get a better product using the first method. > Using the second method, NOT beta-testing your product, has a greater > chance of jeopardizing a company. At least if they put out a beta, if > the press calls, they can say "this is nor our final product -- we > wanted to let people give it a try and find problems, so that we can > fix them before we start shipping". We aren't just talking about a pre-alpha (Netscape beta) product. We are speaking of something else here. We're talking not only about a problem in their NEW code, we're talking about a very big problem in the middle of their EXISTING code. A huge security hole in the code that everyone is and has been running -- from 850,000 Deutsche Telecom customers, throughout AT&T's internal organization and throughout their worldwide customers, and god only knows how many individuals in the United States and abroad. This is an extremely serious software design issue. It is equivalent to designing and then building a house and forgetting to include any plumbing, and no one really noticing, and no one really saying anything about it. And when someone like Joan Rigdon calls from the Wall Street Journal, I hope that Netscape doesn't try to snow her. She's been up and down the street ... and probably knows all about snow. Alice de 'nonymous ... ...just another one of those... P.S. This post is in the public domain. C. S. U. M. O. C. L. U. N. E.

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"Corporatocracy"
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:42 AM 10/16/95, Michael Froomkin wrote: >Those seeking more info on the conference will find it at: >Http://www.multicorp.com/wec. > >They are asking over $500 in registration fees, which strikes me as wildly >excessive, so I'm not advocating attendence. Excessive registration costs for conferences have long bothered me, as Michael knows first-hand. I just declined to go to the Hacker's Conference this year because the registration has risen to $400 for 2 days. That they supply a midnight buffet is hardly justification for charging $200 a day, in my opinion. (My direct comparison is to science fiction conventions, where the hotel rooms run $70 a day and overall registration--with a nice program book!--is $40 or less.) Doug Barnes informed me that the money laundering conference, for which he wrote those great trip reports, cost $1000 for two days (gulp!). His corporation picked up the tab, natch. It's pretty clear to me that things are getting out of hand. I find myself priced out of most conferences, not because I can't "afford" them, but because I find paying $400 or $600 or more for a short conference to be a poor use of my money, compared to other things (like mortgage payments, books, investments, new doodads for my computer, toys, vacations, etc.). Conferences seem to be priced to take advantage of the tax laws and to soak corporations, which can write off the conferences. (No, I find there is no way I can "write off" the various conferences I'd like to attend.) Needless to say, I'm not saying conference organizers don't have the "right" to charge these exorbitant fees. Clearly they find customers. But it's also my right to avoid these "conference taxes." --Tim May Views here are not the views of my Internet Service Provider or Government. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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My chat with Goeff Greiveldinger
by Michael Froomkin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I will be appearing with Goeff Greiveldinger, he of the Justice Dept, at a discussion of commercial key escrow next Thursday in Bethesda. Anyone with fun questions I should throw at him should contact me... Please note that the ostensible topic of this discussion is *commerical* key escrow, not Clipper per se, so I have to be diplomatic.... A. Michael Froomkin | +1 (305) 284-4285; +1 (305) 284-6506 (fax) Associate Professor of Law | U. Miami School of Law | froomkin(a)law.miami.edu P.O. Box 248087 | http://www.law.miami.edu/~froomkin Coral Gables, FL 33124 USA | New address, but it's still just as hot here.

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Cardinal Wins Okay for First Online Bank
by Sameer Parekh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.yahoo.com/headlines/current/business/stories/bankonline_289001.h… -- Sameer Parekh sameer(a)corp.sgi.com

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Forged cancels of posts critical of Microsoft, *apparently* through internetmci.com or nasa.gov
by Richard Charles Graves 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- These are the forged cancels for my articles critical of Microsoft. *Many Thanks* to the person who forwarded them to me; our server expires control way too fast. Somebody did an acceptable forge on the Message-ID, but the Path is quite wrong. Can anybody help me catch this fool? I'm somewhat out of my element here. The most serious posts are available on the Web at http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~llurch/win95netbugs/IP-Security-Bug.txt.asc, and on the gopher archive at gopher://quixote.stanford.edu/1m/win95netbugs. - -rich graves networking systems stanford university llurch(a)networking.stanford.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMIH0IIND7LjhcPQ9AQFojQP/UrB/Us1PK8ne1GnsFxqXXVCJpanEKciH p9wqVMfBJOTBdkYBHkuSHkdeaJfXz6QfEQYGZr6HIN/DD8A/VNOSB+dgCbBUYcOj 2/b+x+7CBfGvEsrbIVLxWl/Eua5pIcjWLLmfgYu3dCneDOqrXO9ehZSDg1JD9tTt Av6lQIxTuVM= =V+nf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- [You always think of something after signing, don't you?] Also emailed to postmaster(a)internetmci.com and postmaster(a)news.msfc.nasa.gov. Was that right? Doesn't microsoft.com get its news feed from internetmci? OK, I'll Cc them, because I know they don't want anyone to believe that this was done by a Microsoft employee. The cancel for <Pine.ULT.3.91.951013145012.29858A-100000(a)Networking.Stanford.EDU>, only, is legitimate, and provides a very good comparison. I'm sure the forger studied it; so should we. Path: rand.org!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com! hplabs!unix.sri.com!news.Stanford.EDU!not-for-mail From: llurch(a)Networking.Stanford.EDU (Richard Charles Graves) Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc,comp.infosystems.www.browsers.ms-windo ws,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.winsock.misc,alt.winsock,comp.os.ms-windows.networkin g.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc Subject: cmsg cancel <Pine.ULT.3.91.951013145012.29858A-100000(a)Networking.Stanfo rd.EDU> Control: cancel <Pine.ULT.3.91.951013145012.29858A-100000(a)Networking.Stanford.ED U> Date: 13 Oct 1995 15:55:40 -0700 Organization: Stanford University Lines: 1 Message-ID: <45mqpc$hn(a)Networking.Stanford.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: networking.stanford.edu <Pine.ULT.3.91.951013145012.29858A-100000(a)Networking.Stanford.EDU> was cancelled from within trn. Path: rand.org!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nas a.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!unix.sri.com!news.Stanford.EDU!not-fo r-mail From: llurch(a)Networking.Stanford.EDU (Richard Charles Graves) Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc,comp.infosystems.www.browsers.ms-windo ws,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.winsock.misc,alt.winsock,comp.os.ms-windows.networkin g.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc Subject: cmsg cancel <Pine.ULT.3.91.951013145012.29858A-100000(a)Networking.Stanfo rd.EDU> Control: cancel <Pine.ULT.3.91.951013145012.29858A-100000(a)Networking.Stanford.ED U> Date: 13 Oct 1995 15:58:14 -0700 Organization: Stanford University Lines: 1 Message-ID: <45mqu6$iu(a)Networking.Stanford.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: networking.stanford.edu <Pine.ULT.3.91.951013145012.29858A-100000(a)Networking.Stanford.EDU> was cancelled from within trn. Path: rand.org!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nas a.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!unix.sri.com!news.Stanford.EDU!not-fo r-mail From: llurch(a)Networking.Stanford.EDU (Richard Charles Graves) Newsgroups: control,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tc p-ip Subject: cmsg cancel <Pine.ULT.3.91.951013145012.29858A-100000(a)Networking.Stanfo rd.EDU> Control: cancel <Pine.ULT.3.91.951013145012.29858A-100000(a)Networking.Stanford.ED U> Date: 13 Oct 1995 16:00:48 -0700 Organization: Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 1 Message-ID: <45mr30$kh(a)Networking.Stanford.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: networking.stanford.edu cancel <Pine.ULT.3.91.951013145012.29858A-100000(a)Networking.Stanford.EDU> Path: rand.org!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.g ov!unixhub!news.Stanford.EDU!not-for-mail From: llurch(a)Networking.Stanford.EDU (Richard Charles Graves) Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.setup,comp.os .ms-windows.apps.winsock.mail,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.winsock.misc,comp.os.ms-wi ndows.apps.winsock.news Subject: cmsg cancel <45nvip$ab6(a)nntp.Stanford.EDU> Control: cancel <45nvip$ab6(a)nntp.Stanford.EDU> Date: 14 Oct 1995 02:32:23 -0700 Organization: Stanford University Lines: 1 Message-ID: <45o038$3ip(a)Networking.Stanford.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: networking.stanford.edu <45nvip$ab6(a)nntp.Stanford.EDU> was cancelled from within trn.

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PGP out of RAM
by SINCLAIR DOUGLAS N 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It seems PGP has been too successful. I downloaded the entire keyring from keys.pgp.net; it's almost 9Mb of ASCII armour. However, I can't get PGP for DOS to process the files. It, understandably, gives me an Out Of Memory error. Is there any sneaky way of getting around this, barring the obvious switch to PGP for Linux? It seems PGP is constrained to the basic DOS 640Kb, or 704Kb if I remove my VGA card.

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was: My chat with Goeff Greiveldinger
by Bob Bruen, MIT Lab for Nuclear Science 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Previous post: >I've heard cracking into Equifax and TRW is considered a rite of passage in >the phreaker crowd. The security would have to *damn* tight (as in forget >it) for it to be trustworthy. And since it would probably be the big three >credit rating agencies (I forget the other one), their track record is not Here are the three credit reporting orgs plus the medical reporting org. The cost is $8 to get your report. ---------------------------------------- CBI Equifax Credit Information Services PO Box 740256 Atlanta, GA 30374 ---------------------------------------- Trans Union Consumer Relations Center 208 South Market Wichita, KS 67202 ---------------------------------------- TRW National Consumer Assistance Center PO Box 749029 Dallas, TX 75374 ---------------------------------------- Medical Information Bureau PO Box 105 Essex Station Boston MA 02112 ----------------------------------------

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Weekly MixMaster list
by John A. Perry 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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