December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Monkey Wrench into the works
by Feanor 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Aug 27, 10:44, Robert Hettinga wrote: } Subject: Monkey Wrench into the works > > --- begin forwarded text > > > Reply-To: "Myron Lewis" <mrlewis(a)keygen.com> > From: "Myron Lewis" <mrlewis(a)keygen.com> > To: "Robert Hettinga" <rah(a)shipwright.com> > Subject: Monkey Wrench into the works > Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:25:55 -0400 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 > > We communicated today about the DCSB luncheon at the Harvard Club and I have > been looking at some of the e$pam traffic. I am somewhat amused because our > company is about to throw a monstrous perturbation into Public-Private Key > encryption. > > We invite you and everyone on the list (Please send this invitation out to > them as the info on how to do that didn't come through.) to visit the KeyGen > webpage, www.KeyGen.com and learn about Automatic Synchronized > KeyGeneration(TM). If you think you recognize it as something you have seen > before, you're close but wrong. > > We are obviously biased, but we feel strongly and so do many others, that > ASK will solve many of the security problems presently under discussion. In > time, it will probably sink Key Management and Certificate Authorities. It won't change dick all as long as it's got that nice (TM) beside it, which I assume means it's not source available or open to peer review. Please, no-one trust proprietary algs in the arena. <bzzzt> Sorry, try again.

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Re: Stewart Baker on Bernstein encryption decision (fwd)
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Declan McCullagh wrote: >I share part of the blame here; I forwarded Baker's message to >cypherpunks. Now, you shouldn't blame the messenger. >I should point out that Baker is an interesting fellow. Check out his >article on Japan's crypto export ctrls in last Oct? Wired. He currently >represents Netscape; he's one of two lawyers in DC who does. He's an interesting fellow, all right; it can't be denied that his current position is a rather opportunistic conversion from his previous attitude. Like Bill Frantz said, it "indicates that the forces of crypto repression are in retreat." What would be *really* interesting is to know the reasons, their own explanations, for this. I mean, they can't expect that no one will notice the change. .. Blanc

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Re: Socio-Economic Cults (Re: Cypherpunk Cults)
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:17:09 -0500 (CDT) > From: snow <snow(a)smoke.suba.com> > To: John Smith <jsmith58(a)hotmail.com> > Cc: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net > Subject: Re: Socio-Economic Cults (Re: Cypherpunk Cults) > Reply-to: snow <snow(a)smoke.suba.com> > On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, John Smith wrote: "Snow" wrote: >On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, John Smith wrote: > > "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)amaranth.com>: > > >>You stole from me. > > >>*BANG* > > >>You raped my sister > > >>*BANG* > > >or threaten me or my family you have committed suicide. > > >It is a quite simple and effective philosophy: > > >"You fuck with me, my family, or my property you die. You leave me alone > > >and I leave you alone." > > >Even someone like you can understand such a philosophy. > > Well, I can't. It's very confusing. Are there judges in your > > philosophy, or do you just decide for yourself who to shoot? > > "You walked on my property." BANG. > > Works for me. You post no trespassing, I have no excuse. > > > "Your music kept me awake all night." BANG. > > Well, turn the shit down. > > > "I warned you to cut that tree down, and now it fell on my house." > > BANG. > > If the warning was issued, then *BANG*. "We, your neighbours, have decided that you're too f*cking trigger-happy. So we're solving the problem. Permanently." BANG! ------------- Peter Trei trei(a)process.com

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Sit, Bubu. Sit! / Re: Stay issued; modified stay to follow
by Cypherpunks Mailing List 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cindy Cohn wrote: > > During a conference call with counsel today, Judge Patel issued a stay of > the injunctive relief issued in her Opinion of August 25, 1997, effective > until September 8. Why are these dinosaurs fucking away perfectly good taxpayer's money trying to shore up the walls of a crumbling civilization? NEWS FLASH!!! THE GENIE *WON'T* GO BACK IN THE BOTTLE --------------------------------------- Before the ink had dried on Judge Patel's ruling, 2,000,000 emails of Professor Bernstein's work were on their way overseas, to every port of call. (Courtesy of Email Blaster, that wonderful progam that tells us, fifty times a day, how to "MAKE MONEY FA$T!!!") > On September 8 (or sooner if we get the papers to her) the Court she will > issue a formal Stay Pending Appeal which will stay the injunctive relief > issued in her Opinion of August 25, 1997, except that an injunction shall be > reinstated to prevent the prosecution of Professor Bernstein for the > "unlicensed export" of Snuffle 5.0 (which includes Snuffle and Unsnuffle) > and any later versions of that program which he has developed. Hell, Professor Bernstein can _import_ it now! By September 8, the program will be obsolete, having been tweaked upward a few generations by Iraquian programmers. I respectfully requested that the Iraquis make any future versions of the program available to American youth who have to flee to Hitler's homeland with their website in order to avoid being persecuted for their sexual predeliction. {See - http://www.guidemag.com/newsslant/vigilante-censors.html } > This eliminates, at least for the meantime, the injunctive relief granted to > Bernstein as to any other computer programs which he may have developed or > otherwise wished to publish. It also eliminates the protections for persons > other than Professor Bernstein. No it doesn't. Haven't you heard of strong crypto? Thank you for pointing out that Phil Zimmerman wishes to protect me, and Judge Patel wishes, on behalf of the government, to "eliminate the protections" which strong encryptions affords me. The governement can't even protect themself, let alone the citizens, as evidenced by the fact that the current sport of teenage hackers across the nation is to send strong encryption overseas by way of the government's email systems. (Can you say FBI? Sure you can! Can you say IRS? Sure you can!) Yet these dweebs want to destroy an industry that *is* capable of providing the citizens protection? (Considering the INSLAW affair, perhaps it would be more fitting to say "destroy _another_ industry.") > The government has said that it may still challenge this more limited stay > in the 9th Circuit. Professor Bernstein may also seek relief from the stay > from the 9th Circuit. I hope these idiots are having fun and making lots of money playing their dinosaur games, because they are certainly accomplishing the opposite of what they claim to be trying to do. The most that the dinosaurs in D.C. can manage to do, is to drag all of the American business interests down into the ashes of history with them as they attempt to build an Electromagnetic Curtain behind which to imprison their citizens. Well, the CypherPunks were digging tunnels before the government even knew they were predestined to build the Wall, so the fascist censors are sucking hind-tit and will, in all likelihood, continue to do so. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ TruthMonger, CoE <tm(a)dev.null> Official Spokesperson for: Cypherpunks Cult of One, DoWell, Saskatchewan Division "Give me bandwidth, or give me death." -Admiral B. d'Shauneaux

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17 Dec '03

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SAFE D.O.A.
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

29 August 1997, C4I News: A key member of the House National Security Committee (HNSC) said that a bill loosening export controls on U.S. encryption technology is "dead on arrival." HNSC has until September 12 to issue recommendations on the bill. "I'm not going to support something being ramrodded down our throats," Rep.Curt Weldon said in a recent telephone interview. Weldon said Goodlatte's bill will not reach the House floor because of Rep. Solomon's opposition. Unlike NSA, Weldon is unsure whether "key recovery" is an answer to the security issue posed by loosening export restrictions on encryption. "I don't like the idea of government controlling business," Weldon said. ----- Full story: http://jya.com/safe-doa.txt

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Court Allows Unlicensed Crypto Export
by John Gilmore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

COURT ALLOWS UNLICENSED CRYPTO EXPORT Professor Bernstein can publish soon San Francisco, August 29, 1997 - Yesterday a federal judge here denied a government motion to silence mathematician Daniel Bernstein. On August 25, District Court Judge Marilyn Hall Patel declared the Commerce Department's cryptography regulations unconstitutional. Judge Patel also issued an injunction to prohibit prosecution of Prof. Bernstein and others who publish Prof. Bernstein's work. In response to an emergency motion from the government on August 28, Judge Patel ruled that most of the injunction would be put on hold until the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has had a chance to review Prof. Bernstein's case. However, part of the injunction will remain in effect: after September 8, Prof. Bernstein will be free to publish his Snuffle 5.0 software on the Internet without fear of prosecution. Snuffle 5.0 is at the heart of Prof. Bernstein's lawsuit against the government. Scanned images of the Government's emergency request for a stay are available from EFF's online archives at: http://www.eff.org/pub/Privacy/ITAR_export/Bernstein_case/ Legal/970827_stay_motion.images Prof. Bernstein's opposition to the stay is at: http://www.eff.org/pub/Privacy/ITAR_export/Bernstein_case/ Legal/970827_stay.opposition Full text of the lawsuit and other paperwork filed in the case is available from EFF's online archives at: http://www.eff.org/pub/Privacy/ITAR_export/Bernstein_case/ Press Contacts: Shari Steele, Staff Attorney, Electronic Frontier Foundation 301/375-8856, ssteele(a)eff.org John Gilmore, Founding Board Member, EFF 541/354-6541, gnu(a)toad.com Cindy Cohn, McGlashan & Sarrail 415/341-2585, cindy(a)mcglashan.com

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Court Allows Unlicensed Crypto Export
by Cindy Cohn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>X-Authentication-Warning: toad.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol >To: bernstein-announce(a)toad.com, eff-board(a)eff.org, eff-staff(a)eff.org >Subject: Court Allows Unlicensed Crypto Export >Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:21:45 -0700 >From: John Gilmore <gnu(a)toad.com> >Sender: owner-bernstein-announce(a)toad.com >Reply-To: John Gilmore <gnu(a)toad.com> > > COURT ALLOWS UNLICENSED CRYPTO EXPORT > Professor Bernstein can publish soon > >San Francisco, August 29, 1997 - Yesterday a federal judge here denied a >government motion to silence mathematician Daniel Bernstein. > >On August 25, District Court Judge Marilyn Hall Patel declared the >Commerce Department's cryptography regulations unconstitutional. >Judge Patel also issued an injunction to prohibit prosecution of Prof. >Bernstein and others who publish Prof. Bernstein's work. > >In response to an emergency motion from the government on August 28, >Judge Patel ruled that most of the injunction would be put on hold >until the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has had a chance to review >Prof. Bernstein's case. However, part of the injunction will remain >in effect: after September 8, Prof. Bernstein will be free to publish >his Snuffle 5.0 software on the Internet without fear of prosecution. >Snuffle 5.0 is at the heart of Prof. Bernstein's lawsuit against the >government. > >Scanned images of the Government's emergency request for a stay >are available from EFF's online archives at: > http://www.eff.org/pub/Privacy/ITAR_export/Bernstein_case/ > Legal/970827_stay_motion.images > >Prof. Bernstein's opposition to the stay is at: > http://www.eff.org/pub/Privacy/ITAR_export/Bernstein_case/ > Legal/970827_stay.opposition > >Full text of the lawsuit and other paperwork filed in the case is >available from EFF's online archives at: > http://www.eff.org/pub/Privacy/ITAR_export/Bernstein_case/ > >Press Contacts: > > Shari Steele, Staff Attorney, Electronic Frontier Foundation > 301/375-8856, ssteele(a)eff.org > > John Gilmore, Founding Board Member, EFF > 541/354-6541, gnu(a)toad.com > > Cindy Cohn, McGlashan & Sarrail > 415/341-2585, cindy(a)mcglashan.com > > ************************ Cindy A. Cohn McGlashan & Sarrail, P. C. 177 Bovet Road, 6th Floor San Mateo, CA 94402 (415) 341-2585 (tel) (415)341-1395 (fax) Cindy(a)McGlashan.com http://www.McGlashan.com

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DigiCash issuers
by Zooko Journeyman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Feanor wrote: >There might be other reasons for this: have you looked at their _fees_??? >Holy crap! That's the only reason I don't have an account. They're charging >top dollar for every aspect of a system that has it's only overhead in minimal >amounts of CPU time. You might be a bit behind the times on this issue. Recently MTB announced new lower fees: http://www.marktwain.com/fee.html Are these the ones you consider excessive? Note that if you consider the new fees to be reasonable, then you are now obliged to open account as per your publically posted exclamation quoted above. :-) Also check out Advance Bank in Australia: http://www.advance.com.au/ecash/intro/fees/default.htm I anticipate continually cheaper ecash fees as banks start to compete for selective, price-conscious customers like Feanor here. :-) Regards, Zooko

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