December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

state power in cyberspace convention
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

------- Forwarded Message Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:51:09 -0400 From: Kris Millegan RoadsEnd <RoadsEnd(a)AOL.COM> Subject: Fwd: ciadrugs] (fwd) The Great Whites Are Worried About the Net To: CTRL(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM - --------------------- Forwarded message: From: Rickie.A.Slater(a)Dartmouth.EDU (Rickie A. Slate) Reply-to: ciadrugs(a)mars.galstar.com (The ciadrugs mailing lis) To: ciadrugs(a)mars.galstar.com Date: 97-08-15 10:24:31 EDT This is slightly off topic to drugs but relevant to the impact the network media (like mailing lists) is having on politics. A 2nd message by Katz will follow. - --- Forwarded Message --- From: HotWired by Jon Katz 4 Aug 97 A letter arrived last week inviting me to a 2-day conference called "The Information Revolution: Impact on the Foundations of National Power," to be held 24-25 Sept. outside Chicago. "On the threshold of the information age," reads the invitation from the Washington-based Center for Strategic & International Studies, "many of the traditional measures of national power appear under challenge." This stood out immediately from the stack of junk mail piling up on my kitchen table. The CSIS is a powerhouse military/national-security think tank whose board members are listed on its imposing letterhead and include Henry Kissinger, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Sam Nunn, James R. Schlesinger, Brent Scowcroft, Harold Brown, Carla A. Hills, and R. James Woolsey. For those unfamiliar with these names, they include former national-security advisors, secretaries of state, secretaries of defense, US senators, and other cabinet secretaries. [And all current members of the Council on Foreign Relations - except for Sam Nunn - according to *The Insiders: Architects of the New World Order* (Poster)] The ambitious focus of this conference, said the invitation, "will be to examine the impact of the information revolution on economic, knowledge-oriented, social, and cultural foundations of national power." It seemed the foundation was offering to fly me and 45 others to Chicago, and to provide hotel accommodations, meals, and transportation to the foundation's private conference center. Anyone who doubts that the digital age is sending shock waves through the most powerful elements in American business, politics, and journalism ought to read the panel topics, along with the guest list. That I am on the list of "invitees" is both a shock and a mortification. The overall context for the conference, the invitation explains, is the way the information revolution is putting stress on the fundamentals of national power. There's some "context," too, about the nature of social revolutions - the eventual winners and losers. For all our cyber-chatting, it's a shock to see these Great Whites preparing to convene to talk so nakedly about national political power and the digital culture, and even more of a shock to realize that many of our ravings - about how rattled the power structure is by the liberation of so much information - are actually truer than we even know. This group will have five panels: First, there's "Economic Might as an Element of National Power," to explore how the task of generating robust economic resources for the citizenry and government are being challenged by the forces of globalization and internationalization. "How," asks the letter, "does the information revolution affect a nation-state's ability to marshall and control its economic resources in support of its leaders' and peoples' objectives?" And "What are the working and theoretical models that promise the most success in adjusting national economic power to the realities of the information revolution?" And you thought you were just downloading cool software or browsing neat new sites. The second panel topic, "Knowledge Acquisition as an Element of National Power," addresses what $E3is the most effective mechanism for addressing the task of strengthening national power through the cumulative acquisition of knowledge by a nation-state$E2s citizens and institutions?$E4 Panel three is $E3Civic Dynamics as an Element of National Power.$E4 The description for this panel says the information revolution $E3has been forecast to usher in a new age of mankind, fundamentally changing civic structures and roles by impacting the nature of work, the bonding of groups and individuals, and the role of the citizen.$E4 The description adds: $E3The societal transition results from the industrial revolution was accompanied by a transition to a set of nation-state mechanisms for domestic and international relations. Can we expect another tectonic shift in civic structure and national mechanisms as a result of the information revolution?$E4 Panel four addresses the subject of $E3Cultural Identify as an Element of National Power.$E4 Culture has served to bind people across generations, says the brochure, but the $E3information revolution delivers culture to any people at any place. What is the future role of culture as a cohesive binding force between peoples who are located and/or share a common interest? Can ethnocentric culturalization withstand the homogenizing battering ram of the information revolution? How do a people balance the enriching and eroding effects of the information revolution on their own unique culture?$E4 The last panel is entitled $E3Rethinking National Power in an Information-rich World.$E4 The information revolution, says the CSIS, $E3appears, in at least some cases, to have fundamentally altered the state$E2s conception of, and ability to exercise, national power. The rise of new, nonsovereign authorities and global forces suggest that the traditional equation of national power will continue to change; others, however, insist that classical conceptions of power will remain valid, the information revolution causing only marginal changes.$E4 Each panel, says the invitation, will be accompanied by an academic paper to help $E3focus$E4 discussion. Wow, I thought, while reading over the topics. These people are disturbingly smart, if clunky panel-topic writers. They$E2ve fully grasped what hasn$E2t yet occurred to William Bennet or The New York Times or Bill Clinton or Al Gore - that the rise of the digital age has little to do with pornography, stolen term papers, or email-addicted students. It has to do with raw power - who gets, defines, and controls it, and for what purpose. The CS IS board cares much about this. Its members comprise a blue-ribbon list of what used to be called the military-industrial complex. That it would convene all these interested parties, fly them to Chicago from all over the country and world, and stuff them with canapes (and entertainment and museum tours) at great expense is a striking affirmation of how seriously the Net and the Web are being taken in the real corridors of power. This letter read not so much like an invitation to talk abut the Net but an X-Files script mailed to the wrong address. I expect Cigarette Man will be sitting in the rear of the conference center, leering, puffing away, and smiling wryly at the attendee$E2s naive notions of how power really works. I won$E2t be there, though. In my next column, I$E2ll explain why and share the list of other $E3invitees.$E4 - ----------------------------------------------------- This article appeared originally in HotWired Copyright 1993-97 Wired Ventures, Inc. and Affiliated Companies. All rights reserved. - --- For list service help, send a message to ciadrugs-request(a)mars.galstar.com with a subject of HELP. ------- End of Forwarded Message

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17 Dec '03

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Re: state power in cyberspace convention
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bladder Z. Neurotic wrote: > From: HotWired > by Jon Katz > A letter arrived last week inviting me to a 2-day conference called "The > Information Revolution: Impact on the Foundations of National Power," to be > held 24-25 Sept. outside Chicago. ... > For those unfamiliar with these names, they include former national-security > advisors, secretaries of state, secretaries of defense, US senators, and > other cabinet secretaries. > That I am on the list of "invitees" is both a shock and a mortification. > I won't be there, though. Jon, I think you should go to the conference. As a matter of fact I have already prepared a package I would like you to take along with you. It should be hand-carried on the plane so that it will not be bumped about during your flight. Details to follow. TruthBomber

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Re: FCPUNX:McVeigh on McVeigh
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

James A. Donald wrote: > He who pays controls. > If someone is charged with a politically sensitive crime, and he has > a court appointed attorney, then he has two prosecutors and no > defense. > > Very likely Mcviegh is guilty, but I could have defended him > better, and so could my dog. Amen!!! More money was spent on McVeigh's defense than on O.J.'s prosecution. For fifteen million dollars, McVeigh's lawyer couldn't be troubled to raise his voice in his client's defense. I'm not Lee Fucking Bailey, but I've defended myself successfully in court on a variety of occassions after firing attorneys who charged me big bucks to advise me to plead out charges I was not guilty of committing. There are a handful of lawyers I respect as having the skill and the integrity to properly defend me to the max, but I wouldn't give you two cents for McVeigh's government-bought schill. McVeigh's conviction was a given, no matter how skilled an attorney he had representing him. That's how it works at that level. The role of McVeigh's attorney was to placate the American people's sense of "justice" without rocking the boat. He didn't upset the American people, he didn't upset the judge, the prosecutor, his golfing buddies, or the court house restroom attendant. He did upset me, however, and that might turn out to be a big mistake on his part.

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Re: 'Friendly Fire' in Spam War Claims Victim
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by ThePres＠bonghits.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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No Subject
by Alex le Heux 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Picketing With Packets
by Mike Duvos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I availed myself of some free home page enhancements on the Web yesterday, and all of a sudden, my SPAM has increased by at least an order of magnitude. Obviously, one or more of the sites I visited sold my email address to Mr. Spamford. I am now getting almost continuous Cyberpromo, EmailBlaster, and SubmitKing mailings as well as one from some female entrepreneur in Singapore who wants me to send her US$10 to email me obscene stories. (sigh) The time has come to make an example of Wallace Spamford, and to mount his stuffed carcass on the gates of the Internet as a warning to those who might be tempted to follow in his footsteps. The following was suggested to me by someone on IRC this morning, and I think it's a pretty nifty idea. We write a little Perl script that keeps exactly ONE AND ONLY ONE TCP connection open to each of Mr. Spamford's machines. Keeping a single TCP connection open to someone's box is unlikely to be illegal, and does not constitute a Denial of Service attack. Consider it the packet equivalent of a single person picketing. We publish the script, and encourage every Sysadmin who hates Mr. Spamford to run it. When thousands do so, he will be out of sockets, and consequently out of business. Consider this the packet equivalent of the UPS strike. We can make the scripts clever, and have them goose a wide variety of ports on Mr. Spamford's machines. He can, of course, devise a technical defense against this, but he does not have one installed at present, and it will shut him down for the time being, and give him sufficient time to ponder his evil ways. This also has the advantage of distributing the liability over thousands of individuals, a technique shown in the recent uunet UDP to render legal redress impractical. Anyone have any comments on this scheme, or anything even more insidious to suggest? -- Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ enoch(a)zipcon.com $ via Finger $ {Free Cypherpunk Political Prisoner Jim Bell}

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Re: Export rules
by Jim Ray 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 02:05 AM 8/15/97 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: ... >Well, Raph Levien applied for an export permit for the RSA-in-4-lines-of-PERL >shirt several years ago, and the export thugs stalled on it and never >responded positively or negatively, in spite of their publicly stated >policies that they "will" respond in some small number of days. ... I wonder if it's possible/practical to do a FOIA request on Raph's old permit request and why it didn't merit action. As I recall, he even sent them a couple of the shirts. Then the export thugs could never- respond to the FOIA request, I guess. Someday, the news media might even notice that it's an interesting (and humorous) story. JMR -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Freedom isn't Freeh. iQEPAwUBM/YiLzUhsGSn1j2pAQHXTwfQ4Iwltxah6RzMhQ7T0ttNejtpwLYMdX/R nqzHvgvB/OrOpElnX7BBSUlt3kj8Evj39EaRAKbvRcXU7YagmQaRbMrZW7MD5cdT gMNBujRqEiNezi6iF3obxlQb7ZUDaCdFEscGSVq1pWacAVtJkZWUvUeKsuIs1374 X0DgdXAVMmw20JjS1An0ME17IwDyUnVsWAhgijUQmlWUMeS6WZnvfOmzClEJWTGn N919pcLzyWmL0ZGfjo5c8i2+eWCgTfY/oMBPa2TwChqAOIDuip1O1v3vHWgFpoJ7 ffXmwXOTw2yWZO5b511jQ3TLgY9UmZXYuvljndsYi1zxPA== =uVHt -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: FCPUNX:McVeigh on McVeigh
by Wazoo MixMaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:27 PM 8/15/97 -0800, you wrote: > Amen!!! > More money was spent on McVeigh's defense than on O.J.'s prosecution. >For fifteen million dollars, McVeigh's lawyer couldn't be troubled to >raise his voice in his client's defense. Funny thing is, if O.J. was, say, a bus-driver with food stamps, how long do you think *his* trial would be? Besides, McVeigh's trial wasn't about truth or justice. It was all about getting revenge, drawing blood, satisfying the bloodthirsty people of America. > There are a handful of lawyers I respect as having the skill and the >integrity to properly defend me to the max, but I wouldn't give you two >cents for McVeigh's government-bought schill. McVeigh's lawyer was probably influenced (read: leaned on) by government fascists, so that McVeigh would die. > The role of McVeigh's attorney was to placate the American people's >sense of "justice" without rocking the boat. He didn't upset the >American people, he didn't upset the judge, the prosecutor, his golfing >buddies, or the court house restroom attendant. Very different from say, Atticus Finch, in "To Kill a Mockingbird". He defended a black man, in a place and time very against that. While this government controlled dickless loser that was McVeighs lawyer, didn't prosecute like a man, because then he'd be blacklisted and treated like shit. > He did upset me, however, and that might turn out to be a big mistake >on his part. If anyone out in this world feels like bumping off McVeighs lawyer, please do so. We need less lawyers like him.

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