December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by LFWS37A＠prodigy.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I need new crypt software w/instruction if possible. lfws37a(a)prodigy.com

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tdc0997globe.html
by Damaged Justice 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

#[1]HOME [2]COPYRIGHT [3][ISMAP]-[4][USEMAP] September _________________________________________________________________ World Wide Weight America's dominance of the Internet isn't just a cultural issue. It could pose an infrastructure nightmare. By Andreas Evagora. Andreas Evagora is international editor for tele.com. He can be reached over the Internet at [5]aevagora(a)mcgraw-hill.com. The year is 1962. At a White House conference, aides warn President John F. Kennedy that the newly emerging global phone network isn't really global at all. Kennedy is told that almost every intercontinental phone call is funneled through the United Kingdom or one of the other former colonial powers, and that those countries control the lion's share of international cables. Fearing that the United States will be powerless in the new telecom era, the Kennedy administration decides to create Intelsat, an international satellite system that would quickly end the domination of the old powers over the global telecom network. Fast forward to 1997. International service providers find that the newly emerging global Internet isn't really global at all. Reports tell them that more than half of intra-European and intra-Asian traffic is funneled through the United States. Once predictable traffic patterns are going haywire, rendering established technological and economic models irrelevant. Right now, there is no Intelsat on the horizon to save the day for telecom providers outside the United States. In fact, far from globalizing, all the signs are that Internet backbone infrastructure--and the traffic running on it--will become even more U.S.-centric over the next few years. This isn't just about U.S. domination: Non-U.S. service providers are contributing greatly to the imbalance by hatching plans to add new capacity to the States rather than to other countries in their region. Underpinning that trend is the concentration of content in America (more than eight of 10 Web sites are in English) and the continued high price, poor quality, and lack of easily available infrastructure outside the United States. The increased concentration of infrastructure and traffic into the United States not only works against the distributed philosophy of the Internet but also threatens to endanger the 'Net's international growth and overwork the U.S. backbone to the point of exhaustion. "The Internet today is a hub-and-spoke system, with the U.S. at the center of the entire world," says Neil Tagare, chairman of CTR Group Ltd. (Woodcliff Lake, N.J.), which plans to build a new global fiber cabling network linking 175 countries. "That's not right, technologically or politically." Already, service providers report that Internet links to the U.S. are straining to stand up to growing traffic volumes, while demand for other regional and intercontinental links remains tepid. Around the globe, U.S.-bound capacity is at a premium, with developing nations clinging onto the 'Net by a thread. If they are lucky, Russia's 150 million people will share 40 Mbit/s of international Internet capacity by next year. Today, India--a nation of 900 million--has just 10 Mbit/s of Internet capacity to the U.S.--about as much available on a LAN supporting a few dozen workers in the United States. "The lack of non-U.S. infrastructure is holding back real growth of the 'Net in many regions," says Petri Ojala, technical director of the Finnish Commercial Internet Exchange (Helsinki, Finland). "If a regional Internet community is short of capacity, it simply cannot develop as it wants. Less capacity means less content, less innovation." If Internet infrastructure continues to be concentrated in the United States, some fear that the whole non-U.S. high-tech sector will be in grave danger. Because the 'Net is becoming a critical tool for software development, a concentration of capacity in the States might lead to a concentration of innovation there as well. To be sure, it's difficult to see how India's enormous software development industry can prosper with 'Net access that is far inferior to that of competitors in the United States. A few 'Net watchers warn that failure to address the Internet imbalance could put some nations at a political disadvantage as well. "What if a new U.S. government wanted to leverage its control of the Internet for political ends?" asks one executive at a non-U.S. Internet service provider. "If it wanted to embargo Cuba, it could use its influence to control Internet communications there." But the outlook for regional backbones is less than bright. Such networks are all but absent in Asia-Pacific, Latin America, and Africa, while backbones in Europe, where the World Wide Web was invented, offer no more than 2 Mbit/s of bandwidth (see [6]"Un-American Activities"). Compare that with backbone construction in the United States, where today's typical 622-Mbit/s backbones are expected to double in capacity next year. Interregional Internet connections also are sorely lacking. Almost every byte of traffic between continents passes through the United States, hopping over at least two backbone links on the way. Concurrently, non-U.S. network access points (NAPs), where Internet service providers exchange traffic, are small in both number and processing capacity. "If you were to squint at a map of the global Internet infrastructure, all lines would roll into the U.S.," says Robert Hagens, director of Internet engineering at MCI. "That's not a good way to build a network." Service providers have never quite faced anything like this before. Exponential demand for traffic to the United States is soaring, but investing more in these routes doesn't add significantly to the bottom line (some phone companies that are also Internet providers offer free local calling--and therefore free local access--to the Internet but still need to add extra capacity), and it only increases the dependency on the U.S. backbone. "Carriers are in a chicken-and-egg situation," says Chris Champion, senior consultant at The Yankee Group Europe (Watford, U.K.). "They only want to invest where there is a lot of traffic, but there won't be enough traffic until they upgrade the backbones." EUNet International B.V. (Amsterdam), the European backbone operator, this month is increasing its U.S.-bound capacity by 34 Mbit/s, to 72 Mbit/s, to meet demand. But its intra-European backbone network, which comprises mainly 2-Mbit/s links, faces no capacity crunch. "We don't have any [intra-European] congestion problems whatsoever," says Wim Vink, the company's managing director. The problem is, the global Internet is running headlong into an international infrastructure regime that actually is causing congestion on intercontinental routes. Capacity planning and demand forecasts on these routes have been designed largely by monopolies around the predictable needs of a staid, 5 percent a year growth in traffic. Phone companies traditionally buy capacity on intercontintental cables 20 or 25 years ahead of time. That's not a strategy suited to the Internet; who knows what will happen when bandwidth-hungry voice and multimedia applications pile onto the 'Net, as they are expected to in coming years? Service providers already are feeling the tremors (see [7]"Borne in the U.S.A."). In the summer of last year, Internet traffic from Sweden to the United States was about half the volume of voice traffic between those two countries. By the end of 1996, data and voice traffic volumes on the Sweden- to-U.S. route were equal, and now data volume is double that of voice. Meanwhile, voice still accounts for the vast majority of traffic to neighboring Finland and Denmark. Traffic patterns between the world's two biggest economies also signal the changes that lie ahead. Kokusai Denshin Denwa Co. Ltd. (KDD, Tokyo), Japan's dominant international carrier, has 10 Mbit/s of Internet capacity to the United States and 15 Mbit/s to the rest of Asia. Yet the ratio of Internet traffic to the United States and to Asia is 8 to 1. "The situation is changing very quickly," says Hiroshi Kobayashi, the carrier's deputy director of Internet business. "Two years ago, the total ratio of traffic flow from the U.S. to Japan was 4 to 1. Now, it is only 2 to 1." That means Japan is sending proportionally more traffic to the United States--a traffic shift directly attributable to the growth of the Internet. In Australia, Telstra Corp. Ltd. (Melbourne) is dealing with a U.S./Asia Internet traffic ratio of about 6.5 to 1. "I can deal with the 1--it's the 6.5 that is the problem," jokes John Hibbard, managing director of international carrier business. Telstra now has 130 Mbit/s of Internet capacity to the United States, compared with 2 Mbit/s to the rest of Asia. Still, Hibbard says of the U.S. route, "We will see a big squeeze in 1998." As a measure of just how high demand for bandwidth to the United States has been driven, Hibbard notes that bids for the 1,000 or so 2-Mbit/s circuits on the new transpacific TPC-5 cable, due to come into service at the end of this year, were oversubscribed by nearly four times. "The Asia-Pacific region must reduce its dependency on the United States to ensure that the quality of service is not dependent on the U.S. link, which is frequently congested," Hibbard says. That overdependency is creating an economic as well as a technical fallout. Non-U.S. carriers are investing in extra capacity to the United States, without seeing returns on that investment in terms of extra revenues. As a result, many international carriers--Telstra included--complain that in paying the full cost of circuits to the States, they are effectively subsidizing the U.S. Internet community. They argue that U.S. service providers should pay for at least a portion of those circuits. In the traditional telephony world, international circuits are provided on a shared-cost basis, with each carrier meeting costs to a theoretical midpoint between two countries. Telstra and its supporters want such principles to be looked at--although not necessarily applied fully--in discussions about the Internet. This year, Telstra will lose US$10 million on providing Internet circuits to the United States. By 2000, the total spending on U.S.-bound Internet circuits from all non-U.S. service providers will reach US$2.5 billion, Hibbard notes. "We are providing resources for which we are not adequately compensated," he says. "At the same time, I am offering U.S. users access to Australian databases without getting a brass razoo." Hibbard explains that traffic from the United States to Australia gets a free ride, as U.S. service providers aren't contributing to the international connection. International service providers are lobbying U.S. regulators for compensation. "When people first started connecting to the Internet, that normally meant they were connecting to America, and as a result had to pay for the connection," says Michael Behringer, senior network engineer at Dante (Cambridge, U.K.), which operates the EuropaNet Internet backbone. Until recently almost all Internet content has resided in the United States, so it was fair for overseas providers to pay the bill for access to that content, Behringer reasons. But for Internet content to become truly global, payments should be more equitable, and non-U.S. service providers should not have to bear 100 percent of the payment burden, he says. A group of Asia-Pacific carriers, including KDD and Telstra, has already made a proposal to the U.S. Federal Communications Commission that such Internet circuit fees should at least be taken into consideration during discussions on accounting rates, the fees paid by one carrier to another for delivering an international telephone call. To give their argument on leased lines to the United States more ammunition, several Asian carriers recently agreed to share the cost of international leased circuits for Internet communications between their own countries. The matter has also been raised at meetings of the Group of Seven (G7) nations. But so far, U.S. officials have rejected the complaint, and international officials don't seem to hold out much hope of success. "The Americans are sympathetic, but I doubt if they'll do anything because they don't have to," Behringer says. Carriers that offer free local calls, such as Singapore Telecom Ltd. and Telstra, are the most eager for change as they recoup little or no revenue when users access local servers to tap the global Internet. They argue that the Internet needs to be put on a more commercial footing. In Singapore, 65 percent of all 'Net traffic passes through the United States. "Because of the high cost of international bandwidth, it actually would cost a user US$100 an hour to connect to the Internet with a 2-Mbit/s link if he was paying the real commercial rate to the U.S.," said Tan Boon Tiong, deputy director of network technology development at Singapore Telecom, speaking at the International Telecommunication Union's Asia Telecom conference in June. Service providers point to other factors holding back the globalization of Internet infrastructure, such as the high cost of maintenance, installation, and operation and a lack of human resources. But many independent Internet service providers say that old-line telecom operators are hardly covering themselves in glory as the 'Net spreads its tentacles. Independent service providers and builders of backbones say that high leased-line costs remain the single biggest factor holding back the expansion of regional backbones that could help keep more Internet communications away from the United States. Lack of competition and a scarcity of infrastructure, particularly cross-border links, continue to keep leased-line prices in Europe three to 10 times more expensive than equivalent lines in the United States. Service providers say that they must wait up to five months for a cross-border E3 (34-Mbit/s) line, where such service exists. Ironically, it's the traditional telcos, which set those high prices, that are gradually taking over the operation of pan-European Internet backbones. "European carriers are schizophrenic," concedes one official at an international carrier alliance. "They will cry about lack of liberalization in another country but do all they can to delay liberalization in their own market as long as possible. That's human nature." That human nature is only serving to encourage the flow of 'Net traffic and facilities to the United States. "Dante's backbone took 18 months to organize and two years to turn into a reality," Behringer says. "That delay was far too long and was mostly caused by arguing with telcos." It's not just high leased-line prices that anger independent ISPs. Deutsche Telekom, now Europe's largest ISP, still refuses to peer its network at Frankfurt's commercial NAP, where more than 25 independent German ISPs exchange traffic. Instead, Deutsche Telekom maintains a single peering deal with Deutsches Forschungsnetz (DFN), a scientific and academic network. That lack of domestic peering means that all communications between Deutsche Telekom and other German ISPs must be routed via the United States. "Peering via the U.S. affects Deutsche Telekom customers and our customers because of the delays on U.S. lines, which are normally saturated," says Thomas Bastian, senior technical director at CERFnet Germany Inc. (Frankfurt), the German unit of U.S. ISP TCG CERFnet (San Diego). In response, he says, all independent ISPs have announced that they will cancel any private peerings with DFN as of this coming January. "We are confident that things will change, but everything takes so long in Europe," Bastian says. "Our U.S. operation connects into NAPs at 155 Mbit/s, but here in Germany it's at 2 Mbit/s. It's very expensive just to set up a system, and those costs are inevitably passed on to users, which slows market development." Until more capacity is made available, there's not much chance that the global Internet's dependency on the United States will fade away. CTR Group's Tagare, a former executive at Nynex Network Systems (Bermuda) Ltd.--one of the founders of the FiberOptic Link Around the Globe (FLAG) project building a new global undersea cable--says that a lot of capacity remains warehoused to block competition. "Active capacity is no more than 50 to 60 percent of the bandwidth out there--the rest is warehoused," he says. "The people who need capacity desperately can't buy it because none is available, while those that have it can't use it because they don't have sufficient demand for it. That's an extremely inefficient model." WorldCom International Inc. (New York), another company planning to lay new international cabling, also places much of the blame for the current malaise at the door of incumbent telcos, in particular for failing to spot the tide of demand for data communications. WorldCom International says that voice today accounts for 80 percent of international traffic, but will make up only 20 percent by the early part of next decade. "Terabyte requirements will soon be upon us, but carriers got caught asleep making cozy, 4 percent growth demand forecasts," says Colin Williams, the company's international executive vice president. "Today, 90 percent of Internet traffic goes to the U.S., but we haven't yet scratched the surface of bandwidth requirements across the Atlantic." Translation: Don't expect a truly global Internet anytime soon. 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Netscape closes up 1 3/8 today!
by carolann＠censored.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lookit that! 416 trades and 11 times there was more buying pressure than selling pressure.. The rumors of bug fix are outweighing the facts of the crack! I am totally amazed! But think company insiders are probably supporting the stock. Holding up better than ascii armor, it is. NSCP is currently trading at $54 3/4 Symbol : NSCP Exchange : NASDAQ Description : NETSCAPE COMMUNICATIONS CORP COM Last Traded at: 54 3/4 Date/Time : Sep 20 4:01 $ Change : 1 3/8 % Change : 2.576113 Bid : 54 3/4 Ask : 55 1/4 Volume : 310500 # of Trades : 416 Opening Price : 53 1/2 Last Shares : 8 Day Low : 53 1/4 Day High : 55 1/4 52 Week Low : 45 3/4 52 Week High: 74 3/4 -- Member Internet Society - Certified BETSI Programmer - Webmistress *********************************************************************** Carol Anne Braddock (cab8) carolann(a)censored.org 206.42.112.96 My Homepage The Cyberdoc *********************************************************************** ------------------ PGP.ZIP Part [017/713] ------------------- M8H,),S$8G>&.WP(8IRA`-M['+`Q%&_C"">5-F%LX@<_Q$;*P'',Q$Z/AA[8M MF=O0H+*%(-S%&>S%+FS&<LS%3(Q&#W1"<]2%`H^;,]^1C$'HBN8PX$4SYAU^ MPGD<Q0ZLA0D+,`MCT!LA**4M[-JPAK9F?40!AJ,CW"'%DR#:'9?Q)3[%<DQ` ------------------------------------------------------------- for next chunk to export --> http://dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/export/

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BXA Testimony at SAFE Hearing
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

See William Reinsch's testimony on the administration's encryption policy at the September 4 SAFE hearing: http://jya.com/bxa090497.htm Perhaps dissimulating, or not then clued to the draft GAK bill, Reinsch states: 1. Foreign crypto products are not as widely available as export control critics claim, and thus do not threaten US products. 2. The administration is against mandatory key escrow. 3. Finds the SAFE bill unhelpful but likes its crypto-criminalization provision and favors McCain-Kerrey's Secure Public Network Act bill or other legislation that will: Expressly confirm the freedom of domestic users to choose any type or strength of encryption. Explicitly state that participation in a key management infrastructure is voluntary . Set forth legal conditions for the release of recovery information to law enforcement officials pursuant to lawful authority and provide liability protection for key recovery agents who have properly released such information. Criminalize the misuse of keys and the use of encryption to further a crime. Offer, on a voluntary basis, firms that are in the business of providing public cryptography keys the opportunity to obtain government recognition, allowing them to market the trustworthiness implied by government approval. ---------- Leads to the testimony of NSA's Cowell and Justice's Litt would be appreciated. Representative Weldon remarked at length about encryption and defense matters on September 4, supporting the administration's policy: http://jya.com/weldon.txt (46K)

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French Navy Security Compromised (Current by Shallow)
by Joseph M. Reagle Jr. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Heard that a very large break from computer 'hackers' has taken place in France's navy. Information regarding ship-identification was stolen. ------------------------- Regards, Joseph M. Reagle Jr. http://farnsworth.mit.edu/~reagle/home.html reagle(a)mit.edu 0C 69 D4 E8 F2 70 24 33 B4 5E 5E EC 35 E6 FB 88

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A helluva way to run a country, er, a world (fwd)
by ichudov＠Algebra.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Prof. Sternlight, do you admit that you were wrong? Please share your thoughts with cypherpunks(a)algebra.com Thank you. igor ----- Forwarded message from Tim May ----- >From owner-cypherpunks(a)Algebra.COM Sat Sep 6 12:06:52 1997 X-Sender: tcmay(a)mail.got.net Message-Id: <v03102809b03734c24855(a)[207.167.93.63]> In-Reply-To: <970906105358_284527778(a)emout18.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 09:41:38 -0700 To: cypherpunks(a)Algebra.COM From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> Subject: A helluva way to run a country, er, a world Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)algebra.com Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com X-List-Admin: ichudov(a)algebra.com X-Loop: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com At 7:54 AM -0700 9/6/97, Syniker(a)aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 97-09-06 07:15:18 EDT, vznuri(a)netcom.com (Vladimir Z. >Nuri) writes: > ><< maybe I'm not following closely enough, but I haven't seen a *single* > reference. that's really eerie. can't we get a *single* > senator to bring up that issue? >> > >me neither... it's fucking mind-boggling.... >and where's all the 'censorship' people???? >it's like -- no one can make the 'connection' .... >the CDA and FCA lists are dead ... not a word ... >how can we all have wet powder at the same time? I didn't see Detweiler's original message ('til just now), but I think this is wrong, the "I haven't seen a *single* reference" (to the constitutionality of mandatory key escrow). In some of the accounts of the Freeh-Feinstein-etc. colloquy, there were mentions that mandatory key escrow probably would be desirable, but probably not be possible. (I took this to mean they, including Freeh, recognized it would be unconstitutional). Of course, then the draft text of the GAK bill floated by the next day, and it of course contained no references to constitutionality (not surprisingly, as draft bills are not self-analyses). Despite my cynicism, I'd expect the courts to issue an immediate stay on enforcement on such a law, as happened with the CDA. With probably an expedited hearing before the Supreme Court. As so many have noted, it seems to be a slam dunk infringement on the right to speak freely and in whatever language one wishes. And some 4th and 5th and other involvements. It may be a stalking horse. A threat. Designed to force a compromise. "If you don't pass McCain-Kerrey, this is what you'll get." A helluva way to run a country, er, a world. But look on the bright side: the militias and other patriot groups are getting a huge bounce out of this. Stay far away from the nests of vipers. Jefferson's wisdom that we need a revolution every generation or so is apt...though it's been about 180 years too long. Now even those, like Sternlight, who claimed the government would never require key escrow, have to admit we were right all along. --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway." ----- End of forwarded message from Tim May ----- - Igor.

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by nea25＠sprintmail.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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netscpe will release code?
by sameer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just spoke with a reporter from the sfchronicle who told me that when she talked to Netscape they said that they would be releasing parts of their source code to the net. -- sameer Voice: 510-601-9777 Community ConneXion FAX: 510-601-9734 An Internet Privacy Provider Dialin: 510-658-6376 http://www.c2.org (or login as "guest") sameer(a)c2.org

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Re: Puppet Masters
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sunday, September 07, 1997 - 03:16:32 MET > > i am getting a very bad feeling that maybe the level of inside/outside > > censorship of the press may be a good indicator, like the Doomsday > > Clock, of how close we are to the day when the Puppet Masters finally > > step out from behind their masks. > > Puppet Masters don't step out from behind thier masks. They have > someone else step out for them. > > ~kp -Creeping encrouchment-Puppet Masters Get Increasingly Bold- With each succeeding assault on the constitutional rights of citizens the gov't both tests and increases the public's willingness to give away those rights. As we sit idly by, parlor intellectualizing, anyone who really dares to organize, gets fried, on national tv for the trouble. Make a timeline from the first live at 5 fry of the 'bad guys' in the 70s, to the present and observe the circumstances surrounding each one. When they started this- judged on television, fried on television- brainwash, they at least tried to put on a semblence of justifiability,..ie SLA," kidnappers, bankrobbers,thugs disguised as mad dog radicals"..etc and went to great lenghts to see that the point was well propagandized to the 'people' and that the 'people' accordind to neilson or gallup or somebody, were in consensus and then 'puff'', charcoaled the constitution with human kindling before EVERYBODIES eyes. A few op ed pages later, with no real political or social fallout. They decide to do it again, and then do it again, upping the ante each time.. .the Order, Mt. Carmel, Weaver, etc ...By the time they do the Davidians, they offer specious reckless charges that were never substantiated and in fact were easily discredited and 85 people burned alive on national tv. people who were never charged with any crime-when federal goons attempted to serve a specious search warrant as if they were marching into lebenon. The militias of today are saying and doing what the Panthers advocated 25 yrs ago. Though each of these groups held to radically different ideologies, the common denomionator is they took a stand against an illegal abuse of local and federal power by organising into a community of interests that was prepared to defend it's right to do so against outside intrusion, and that is whatthe puppet masters would not tolerate. They aren't going to come jackbooting into our cities and towns. They are already there, shoving plungers up our ass when they don't like the way we look. They isolate any pocket of dissension (and to dare to organize into a community is to dissent) , whether it is black, white, christian, islamic or whatever,..can you say "cypherpunk".. and burn them out of existence, putting it on tv as an object lesson for the rest of us, The local police, the military, both houses, the administration and all the various goon squads are all pigs drinking from the same trough. The presidential elections are a tv show designed to give us the illusion of a democracy. Its no accident that the houses reconvene with the new tv season. It is all for mind control nothing else. Now I am no christian fundementalist, white supremicist, black power fanatic or anything else; just an average person trying to live my life simply and freely but the only way things will change is when we the 'coach potato sheeple' including intellectual armchair quarterbacks who think they are superior and above it all because they can run a few sentences together, docmartin, airjordan, dingo, nike and ourache our way into washington with some plungers of our own and enlighten the fucking white house the same way they enlighten us. Timothy McVeigh for President Committee-

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Please send me SSL problems...
by Jeff Weinstein 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'd just like to let all cypherpunks know that I'm really interested in getting any feedback you might have about security problems with Netscape products. I'm particularly interested in bugs in the our implementation of SSL, and problems in the protocol that are not addressed in SSL 3.0. We have been collecting comments on SSL 3.0, and have started incorporating that feedback into our spec. Please don't assume that our lack of response means that we are ignoring your comments. Between Navigator 2.0 and things like the SSL challenge and the RNG fire drill, we just have not had the time to get a new rev of the spec out. Hopefully soon... I should also warn folks that Navigator 2.0 will not include SSL 3.0. We just don't have time to do it. It will become a high priority for us after 2.0 goes out, or maybe sooner depending on hiring. --Jeff Jeff Weinstein - Electronic Munitions Specialist Netscape Communication Corporation jsw(a)netscape.com - http://home.netscape.com/people/jsw Any opinions expressed above are mine.

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