December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Karl Hess - L.A. area meeting
by J. Kent Hastings 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-- [ From: J. Kent Hastings * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, and let me remind you, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." -- Aristotle, and a Goldwater speechwriter, but not Karl Hess. Politically Barry's Boy, Karl was often credited with Goldwater's most famous line, but he denied it when interviewed. Karl announced his Libertarian position in the book \Dear America\, followed by \Community Technology\, and \Capitalism For Kids\. --- T H E K A R L H E S S C L U B --- now in its second year of almost monthly dinners, invites you to its sixteenth meeting on Monday, October 16, 1995. New Developments In Conspiracy Theory, Part II O N E B A N K T O R U L E U S A L L Last month we heard some "Conspiracy Classic." For Hallowe'en Partyarch, Paleolibertarian and Agorist tell us what's at "stake" in the latest Bankster cannibal bloodfeast and summon Murray Rothbard back from the grave to repel these vampires with a Cross of Gold! Place: Marie Callender's, 4356 Lincoln Blvd., Marina del Rey (at west end of Marina del Rey [90] Fwy). Time: 7:00 p.m. for dinner; 8 p.m. announcements; 8:15 program. Speakers: Wally Conger, SEK3, and Bob Weber. Charge: $13.00 for program with buffet dinner including full-salad bar, roast turkey entree, and choice of three pies for dessert. Tax and tip included! Next Month: J. Neil Schulman Fires Back with \Self-Control, Not Gun Control\. Coming soon: Robert Anton Wilson, Dr. John Hospers, and Brad Linaweaver. Posted by J. Kent Hastings, zeus(a)pinsight.com http://www.pinsight.com/~zeus/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMIDNTzTxxI221vktAQESEgQAnojLCPg0+43EGBtYSMQHr34CvWs0Xc5U 2LidnuEI9w9awBiBuuVWuWfVk7YEpq2UWIe1Xr/8jZoWtjpEkIeLQRjt9D2WQHml Vt2MiuIXbpcuc7GAhio7gMC7M5rsIVoxD6xd6MthcDOhbUa61a7xVma/QhIyyhcK 17MhZMeBl8Y= =wGp1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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TSB_pbs
by adwestro＠ouray.cudenver.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - From The Economist, Oct. 7, p.78: TSB, a British bank, held a launch party in August at Cyberia, London's first "Internet cafe", for its Digital Trip home page, aimed at attracting student customers. I assume this refers to TSB Bank Channel Islands Limited, 8 David Place, PO Box 597, St. Helier, Jersey (NOT Joisey!), JE4 8XW. When I last checked (a couple of years ago), TSB offered Offshore Premium Accounts -- interest-bearing checking accounts that pay 11.5 percent interest per annum on a minimum deposit of 2000 pounds, as well as providing a VISA debit card. TSB is said to be the tenth largest bank in the world. Quite an interesting addition to the Net...anyone checked out their home page? BTW, the American PBS "Frontline" show on Tuesday, Oct. 31 (in the Denver area, anyway) will discuss "High Stakes in Cyberspace -- the business rush to stake claims in cyberspace, otherwise known as the Internet, may someday create a cyber-revolution." Hopefully it will be a worthy successor to their show about Caribbean money laundering, though the blurb's conflation of cyberspace with the Internet is not encouraging... Alan Westrope <awestrop(a)nyx10.cs.du.edu> __________/|-, <adwestro(a)ouray.cudenver.edu> (_) \|-' 2.6.2 public key: finger / servers PGP 0xB8359639: D6 89 74 03 77 C8 2D 43 7C CA 6D 57 29 25 69 23 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMIDwuFRRFMq4NZY5AQECOgQAm1FJQyni4U7ulKvT8Zd3P1pEBieKXeqo rxaCA14K/MhaTnaCcWix0vvPYzFjgnspxUpc7PtuP46w++ilrfZiYDM1BZ1+HpkZ MZaSiH8W+cUkQAxDTuAVNve9PM8zj8Qv+CQ7mABqLu5+f93GubUQtMElEmikR69J kL/2ewMllI4= =O2Py -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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DUM_not
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

10-15-95. NYPaper, longish Page One semi-rehash, semi- disinfo of LATimes of July 23: "Emerging Role For the C.I.A.: Economic Spy." During the Clinton Administration's tense negotiations with Japan last spring Mickey Kantor received inside information gathered by the C.I.A.'s Tokyo station and the electronic eavesdropping equipment of the N.S.A. "But in the end, did it help much? Beyond some valuable detail we could not have gotten elsewhere, did it tell us much about which way Hashimoto would go? It would be hard to make that case." Many Administration officials suggest that the agency simply does not have the talent for such analysis. "The best graduate students don't go there and who can blame them?" said one of the Administration's top economic officials. "And yet, when you sit in a meeting, the views of the C.I.A. are often given more weight than the Council of Economic Advisors. Go figure." Allan E. Goodman, a former C.I.A. official and academic dean of Georgetown University's School of Foreign Service, said "We don't have the sources, we don't have the expertise. To develop an understanding of the people who trade currencies, their motivations, their lifestyles, you'd have to send your people to Harvard, Stanford and Wharton for years. Currency traders keep secrets very, very well, and to penetrate that would be the equivalent of cracking all the Japanese codes in World War II." DUM_not (14 kb)

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bouncing mail
by s1018954＠aix2.uottawa.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Can anyone anyone get in touch with the bouncing mail guy, Jason P Jones <jonesj(a)ala.usmc.mil> ? He needs to wipe that mailbox of his. ( I just tried to unsub him, I guess it's reassuring you can't get away with it without forging headers, which I can't do.) rom owner-cypherpunks Sun Oct 15 05:19:24 1995 Return-Path: <owner-cypherpunks> Received: by toad.com id AA09946; Sun, 15 Oct 95 05:19:24 PDT Received: from panix.com by toad.com id AA09937; Sun, 15 Oct 95 05:19:20 PDT Received: (from frissell@localhost) by panix.com (8.7/8.7/PanixU1.3) id IAA25104; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 08:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 08:19:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Duncan Frissell <frissell(a)panix.com> To: Alan Westrope <adwestro(a)ouray.cudenver.edu> Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: TSB_pbs In-Reply-To: <BBPgwkkAsmsM085yn(a)ouray.cudenver.edu> Message-Id: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951015081704.22935B-100000(a)panix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 15 Oct 1995, Alan Westrope wrote: > I assume this refers to TSB Bank Channel Islands Limited, 8 David > Place, PO Box 597, St. Helier, Jersey (NOT Joisey!), JE4 8XW. > No, I would assume that it refers to the parent company TSB on the mainland UK. It has an extensive branch network in the UK. DCF

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Re: Yes, indeed the PA law is for real!
by Rich Salz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Historic comment: ... "You read it here first." Nostradamus said it way before you. This kind of dredging up old posts in order to claim certain foresight intellectual properties is kinda silly. Watcha gonna do, patent it? It's gonna rain tomorrow. You heard it here first. Of course, I don't plan on doing anything about it other than tell you all...

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No Subject
by anonymous-remailer＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>I want to see Netscape succeed, but when you hear about things like product >being released on the net without warning those people responsible for >supporting it, bug reports being ignored so a ship date can be made, and the >like, it makes you really wonder. I am finding problems with 2.0b1 that >could have been found just by using the product for a couple of days! Most >of the problems I have seen with Netscape could be solved with better >communications between departments within the company and some strong >testing procedures. > I totally agree with this. There are an awful lot of GPFs I've been experiencing with 2.0 that I never experienced with 1.2, and I am still trying to figure out that cause. The first one happened like 5 minutes after I ran the program whilst it was loading the Netscape homepage! Another irritating one that should have been caught is the download time indicator. When I download a file, the estimated time taken is shown in hours! These trivial problems are really quite inexcusable, and should've been caught with good quality assurance before it even went out the door.

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ORW_lea
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

10-15-95. NYPaper: "Law Enforcement and Privacy Interests Clash on Technology." The legality of mobil data terminals, which put records at the fingertips of officers in their cars, is in question. Some other machines could well be props in a James Bond movie: long-range eavesdropping devices that, placed in a briefcase, pick up conversations a football field away, or infrared radar monitors that, mounted on a car, can detect weapons on a person a half-mile away. For law enforcement officials, they are new-generation weapons in the war on crime that enable the police to better protect the public, even at the expense of a little privacy. But for civil libertarians, they conjure Orwellian images of Big Brother armed with technologies that are subject to abuse and prone to error. ORW_lea (8 kb)

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Re: Netscape question transformed
by anonymous-remailer＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, 13 Oct 1995, Rob L wrote: > Actually, it is not jeapordy that they get from doing so, but some of the > best bug finders and security experts on the planet.. for close to free. Actually, this is a very dangerous game to play, because realistically Netscape gets both, foe and friend. And they risk not only the entire company by taking this action, but they also pose risk to the public They might get someone who responsibly tries to point out an incredibly poor design methodology within ALL of Netscape's code -- the existing installed code base as well as the new beta code. Someone who points out this fatal design flaw to the public and not only to Netscape. Or they might confront someone who announces that numerous pointers have been placed in roulette programs making the Web under Netscape a little more like playing Russian Roulette, rather than safe, fun entertainment. Netscape clients might face a customized plexus, one that delivers dynamic documents. One time in six (if you're running CURRENT Netscape release software) it deletes your WIN.INI. Some machine in Bucharest reaches right out, and wipes you clean. Or maybe it just downloads all of your Quicken files. Netscape is clearly not thinking clearly, here. The issue here isn't "Bugs" and Netscape's so-called Bugs Bounty program. It's a broader question of design methodology and of design process. Does Netscape have a product that has any worth and utility?? Does Netscape have a product which can go through a "Product Evaluation" and then a "Certification Evaluation" as set out in the US Department of Defence's Orange Book?? Or does Netscape's product fail the giggle test. > If hackers can find 10 bugs before final release, it means there is a > good chance that they will fix those bugs before final release. > > Think of it this way.. you practice a new task until you are competent at > it.. beta code is the same.. it is the practice or scratch code that may > be refined into the final product. I'll beg to differ on this one. This is not about hackers, nor is this about crackers. We are not talking about some shareware game program here. Nor are we talking about a word processor, spreadsheet, or draw program. We are talking about a program that has a different mission profile. The standard here is different. A bug in code that makes your system freeze is different than a sloppy design methodology that allows someone to literally take complete control of your machine from any other machine in the world, whether that machine is foreign or domestic. Code which seeks to secure a public network connection, calls for a different programming altitude, than writing common PC code. The tolerances are different, the expectations are different, and the challenge (which was summarized most cogently by a UK friend) distills to a single basic issue. How do you invite a few billion people into your home without having one of them nick the silver?? Evaluation of technical computer security effectiveness is not accomplished by the release of "practice code". It has to start from the ground up. And it is certainly not assisted by having a corporate communications policy that is geared to NOT opening a communications pipe with someone who has attempted to offer constructive technical criticism. Let me make this absolutely clear. It should not be up to non-US citizens like myself to safe-guard US economic security, and protect vital national interests. It is not my job and certainly not my responsibility to protect the international public and Fortune 500 companies from poor security. When that attempt is made however, the effort should not be stymied by Netscape's thinly veiled attempt at information free-loading through public-relations puffery. From this vantage point, Netscape's press releases have the stench of some two-bit penny stock hustler -- something I'd expect from some Vancouver Stock Exchange promoter, rather than the standard expected of a company with a Two Billion USD ($2,000,000,000) market capitalization. After emailing the company more than two days ago, I would hope that a communications channel would have been opened, or alternatively I would have held out a hope that someone from Sun or Netscape might have made an official comment here or publically. I would have expected something other than a stone-walling silence. My Friday the Thirteenth post obviously has people shaken. Clearly, Friday was not the day to comment about this serious problem. There was no utility in causing panic and disrupting trading in Netscape stock, especially in a market that can only be characterized as frothy. But now here we stand, many hours and days later, with the questions raised remaining unaddressed, and with my copyright restriction on my Friday post hereby, and herein explicitly waived. The question is no longer simply a question of whether Netscape can produce quality code, but a new question rises on the horizon. Does Netscape have the management depth and experience to meet daily corporate requirements?? And is the promise of Internet commerce whether put forward by Netscape, Microsoft or AT&T simply a pipe dream. A very risky game, they like to play ... Or since I had already spoken of Dominick Dunne on Friday, perhaps a turn this Sunday to Johnnie Cochrane and his fine choice of words: "Whom will I trust as I will adders fang'd They bear the mandate; they must sweep my way, And marshall me to knavery. Let it work; For tis the sport to have the engineer Hoist with his own petar: and 't shall go hard ..." Alice de 'nonymous ... ...just another one of those... P.S. This post is in the public domain. C. S. U. M. O. C. L. U. N. E.

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National Insitute of Justice
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

For more on the NIJ, oft-cited by The NYT as the sponsor of wizard crime fighting devices, see: URL: http://ncjrs.aspensys.com:81/aboutnij.html There are helpful links there to the ever-expanding universe of the terrifying trust-me evangelists.

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I am looking for a way to create a zombie process
by fc＠all.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am writing a paper that, among other things, talks about detecting zombie processes. I find that, due to my systematic hunting down and eliminating of these processes, I no longer have any hanging around for demonstration purposes. How embarassing - I don't know how to create one! Is there anyone who can give me a simple program or set of commands that creates a zombie process? Thanks in advance. -- -> See: Info-Sec Heaven at URL http://all.net Management Analytics - 216-686-0090 - PO Box 1480, Hudson, OH 44236

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